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Prepping for a pandemic...6

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:00

6th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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RaddishKimchi · 25/02/2020 12:03

My elderly pil are flying to Austria next week :/ hope they stay safe. Have they said where in Austria the two are from?

MissPoldark · 25/02/2020 12:04

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Blackbirdblue30 · 25/02/2020 12:04

I live alone, think I'm ok for hygiene there and stocked up with wipes, hand sanitiser etc. The workplace is bothering me. I have a colleague who ALWAYS has his fingers in his mouth and then touches everything. Can't keep up. Any tips?

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 12:05

The account I get my info on posted this:
URGENT: Our source from #Croatia tells us that “40 high school kids and 4 teachers came back from #Venezia, #italy and were supposed to self quarantine at home but went to school today instead. No tests, nothing.”

They are never usually wrong with their stuff. Scary.

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 12:10

URGENT: WATCH- #IRAN HEALTH MINISTER tested positive for #Coronavirus. He has previously looked unwell during a conference. t.co/OwOwXIKOQQ

Watch the video 😱

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 12:12

raddish it says Tyrol. I don't know where that is though.

babychange12 · 25/02/2020 12:12

Omg @ofwarren he looked really ill

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 12:14

Not a chance the guy next to him doesn't have the virus too now

CrapTVAddict · 25/02/2020 12:18

Feel really anxious that this seems to be stepping up now everywhere. Surely it's only days before it starts in UK

FourTeaFallOut · 25/02/2020 12:22

Surely it's only days before it starts in UK

bobbbbby · 25/02/2020 12:23

I think today is the day a lot of people in the UK will start to question how this might start to affect them. Starting to get closer to home

HairyFloppins · 25/02/2020 12:37

I have noticed the comments are changing on various Facebook holiday groups I am on. There are less of its only just flu comments now and more and more people stating facts and advising people not to travel.

Glad I started prepping last week. I think the poo will hit the fan very soon.

Notstrongandstable · 25/02/2020 12:41

Where are people getting powdered egg from? Don't think I've seen it in as my of the supermarkets I go to

Gammeldragz · 25/02/2020 12:45

Primary has handbag sized 75% alcohol hand gel for 80p, I I bought 5. DS(13) thinks I'm crazy...

QueSera · 25/02/2020 12:47

@YoursTunbridgeWells

Yes the school must have taken the info before it was updated this morning. The website says you should self-isolate and inform 111 if you have visited the designated cities in N Italy EVEN IF you have NO symptoms.

And lower down on the website it says in addition to this, you should also self-isolate if you a) have visited anywhere in Italy north of Pisa AND b) you have flu-like symptoms.

My DC's school hasn't even said anything about the issue yet, nor replied to my emails about it!

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 25/02/2020 12:50

If anyone remembers the discussion about initially eye rolling DPs, my DH has now come on board very enthusiastically and is talking about boarding the loft for storage... My DH is the one who has been prepping for the Zombie Apocalypse for about twenty years though HmmGrinI have advised him that his special shovels can be repurposed for making a home allotment in the garden.

Apologies for any inappropriate lightheartedness, I have to laugh or I'll cry (I have bad lungs and am currently suffering as it is).

BlastEndedSkrewt · 25/02/2020 12:50

new to the thread & sorry it was posted pages ago but @TenShortStories - do chopped onions freeze well?

That's a great idea to prep veg bags that are used often for the freezer, would save so much time in day to day life too

YoursTunbridgeWells · 25/02/2020 12:51

@Notstrongandstable think you buy it online? That's what I was planning

SharpieInThe · 25/02/2020 12:53

Bought some microwave popcorn today. Lovely easy treat, space saver too. 4 for £1 in Homebargains.

DS has drank 6 litres of lemonade since Friday. I may kill him. Or put a bell on the pantry door.

I'm at the nothing seems enough stage of prepping which I know means I've done all we can. If we end up running out I KNOW we'll be well past civil unrest and some more jam won't help me then.

Rotation and treats only now. Need to stay strong.

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 25/02/2020 12:53

@BlastEndedSkrewt chopped onions freeze fine, I buy bags of ready chopped ones from the freezer section in supermarkets. I also love frozen mashed potato.

AmelieTaylor · 25/02/2020 12:53

@YoursTunbridgeWells. Hi, sorry I wasn’t ignoring your question about powdered soup. I don’t buy them, so I can’t really help. Used to use them for guides, but didn’t like them - but have probably improved in 30 (or so -ahem) years! I’ve bought tinned soup (but as you say, bulky to store!) and some cup a soup type things. Having said that I guess they’re probably just the same as modern powdered soup!

Costco will have large tins I imagine. There are a few places near us that sell the hot soup (from
Powdered soup) DC think it’s nice. One is Baxter’s not sure about the other.

Essentially I think you’re better off trying commercial food suppliers like Costco & office suppliers like Viking & cleaning/office supply companies.

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 12:54

BREAKING: #Bahrain reports 9 new cases of #coronavirus, raising total there to 17 cases in just 1 day; all are linked to #Iran.

tryingtoprep · 25/02/2020 12:54

We have a few disposable masks but it seems a bit pointless. I want to buy a reusable for DP. He commutes to London for work. Getting him to agree to wear one is a task in itself, and then he'd need to somehow safely clean and store it in his office Confused How do you clean and store them? Spray with dettol? Soak in Dettol laundry liquid?

For regular laundry, I haven't bought any Dettol laundry liquid. I've temporarily switched from non bio to bio powder. Won't the bleach in bio kill the virus?

Is Boris hiding? I bet he's got a stash of masks! He doesn't appear to be about much and I'm not sure he's said much about the situation.

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 12:54

BREAKING: #IRAN- Two more people infected with the new #coronavirus have died, taking the toll in Iran to 16, officials said on Tuesday, reuters says Iranians worried that authorities could be underestimating the scale of outbreak.

(there are more deaths in Iran than SKorea now)

Funkycats · 25/02/2020 13:00

What actually happens if an area is locked down, does anyone know?

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