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Prepping for a pandemic...6

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:00

6th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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FourTeaFallOut · 25/02/2020 10:24

Give = five

FourTeaFallOut · 25/02/2020 10:26

Fuck, if Amazon can't manage the knock on effects of a large quarantine then I have no hope for the government.

teta · 25/02/2020 10:26

Yes wearing a mask is obviously very useful if you are symptomatic. I'm well aware of that. But if we get to the stage when there are lots of cases in the UK in the general population 99% of these masks will be useless. In order to protect yourself from getting it you will need full hazmat gear. Masks are mostly a panacea and pretty bad at protecting you against a highly transmissable virus.

Balkinfly · 25/02/2020 10:28

What do you think of children and teachers coming back from skiing trip in Northern Italy? My DS's school just got back and were 100 odd miles from outbreak.

HasaDigaEebowai · 25/02/2020 10:31

My DCs school is the same.

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 10:33

Have the school sent out information asking people to isolate if there are symptoms?

HasaDigaEebowai · 25/02/2020 10:34

Mine has

AmelieTaylor · 25/02/2020 10:35

@247SylviaPlath

Yes, freezing milk in ice cube trays is fine. Test a couple out to see what level is perfect for your tea. We used to make Ice lolly’s with milk & ribenna when I was a kid and my Aunty freezes almost all of her milk before using it. (No need- she lives half a dozen steps from ‘the little shop’ and drives& shops weekly 🤷🏻‍♀️) but she’s ‘set in her ways’ the giid thing is it means I know she has enough food in the house to eat ‘normally’ fir at least 3 weeks. Then probably another 3 on survival rations.

Catmaiden · 25/02/2020 10:37

Yes you can make yoghurt with uht milk and a wide necked thermos flask

MyPartInHistory · 25/02/2020 10:38

Thank you michaelbaubles - I need to get some UHT now. I think I might look at the electric yogurt makers. I have a bread maker, which is fab.

Balkinfly · 25/02/2020 10:39

Have the school sent out information asking people to isolate if there are symptoms?

Yes but only to those on the trip and surely it will be a bit late if they develop symptoms over the next few days.

MyPartInHistory · 25/02/2020 10:39

Thank you Catmaiden. I'll look into that.

MyPartInHistory · 25/02/2020 10:43

I'm finding the current approach of the UK government baffling. I'm not suggesting that we go to lockdown now, but there is, I think, a lack of reliable information and their approach to people coming from affected areas is woeful. The only conclusion I can reach is that they know it is already here and there is little they can do to stop it spreading.

The information which appears to be coming out of China is that this is a "long-tail" virus - its starts slowly and then becomes more deadly after a couple of weeks or so. People who are infected may well not be aware. Also, I'm not at all convinced that people cease to become infectious after 14 days!

BlackeyedSusan · 25/02/2020 10:43

Finally caught up. Go away for the day, and there are 300 new posts to read! The Italy situation has brought a few more people in.

Scaremonger · 25/02/2020 10:49

Matt Hancock was on BBC news, said stopping flights does not work so its business as usual Hmm funny how other countries can manage it

Balkinfly · 25/02/2020 10:50

@MyPartInHistory I agree. The helpline is useless and I haven't been able to find out which specific towns are on lockdown.

lemonjumper · 25/02/2020 10:56

BREAKING: Amazon Prime In #Italy closes due to too many orders amid #Coronavirusourtbreak in Italy. #COVID19italia #COVIDー19

What is the source for this? Can't see anything on amazon.it about it.

HasaDigaEebowai · 25/02/2020 10:58

balkinfly these are the lockdown towns: In Veneto: Vo ’Euganeo. In Lombardy: Codogno, Castiglione d’Adda, Casalpusterlengo, Fombio, Maleo, Somaglia, Bertonico, Terranova dei Passerini, Castelgerundo and San Fiorano

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 11:05

I'm just checking now lemonjumper it's from an account I follow on Twitter. They aren't usually wrong but I've asked for the source.

Balkinfly · 25/02/2020 11:06

@HasaDigaEebowai

Thank you

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 11:06

The account says it is on Italian state TV
"Italian state tv sky TG24"

NebbiaZanzare · 25/02/2020 11:06

BREAKING: Amazon Prime In #Italy closes due to too many orders amid #Coronavirusourtbreak in Italy. #COVID19italia #COVIDー19

I've just checked mine, put something in basket and proceeded to check out. Didn't complete cos don't actually want it, but at no point did it tell me they weren't processing orders presently.

ofwarren · 25/02/2020 11:09

I've not read the whole link btw. That's what the account who posted it sent me.

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