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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 17:35

Twice I've ordered reusable ones (£70 worth) from Cheeky Wipes and both times they went missing in the post (never had anything else go missing) so I got a bit put off by that as I wasn't sure who else to purchase from...

I do fancy trying a pair of period pants and started looking at reviews for the various brands. I have reasonably light periods so think they could work for 3 or 4 days if not the whole time.

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Orangecake123 · 21/02/2020 17:39

@wheresmymojo

Maybe water, juice, squash, soup, olives and pickles!

Orangecake123 · 21/02/2020 17:45

I switched a year ago and only use the disposable ones when I'm travelling.

www.bloomandnora.com/

But it's also possible to make your own ones following a guide on youtube.

For Period pants you can try modibodi which are pricer though, other companies would be Wuka or thinx.

AvocadoOwl · 21/02/2020 17:45

I have done some half arsed prepping over the last few weeks which has culminated in a passable stash but it all feels a bit pointless given my husband commutes on the tube daily. He's flying with work most weeks too (Europe). Terrible carbon footprint, I know.

Unless the UK start to introduce restrictions in terms of home working and transport closures I'd be somewhat pissing in the wind hiding at home with my prepping stash. Still, after another top up shop we should be reasonably well placed to sit things out at home for a couple of weeks if DH is forced to stay out of London.

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 17:47

Wuhan, the epicenter of the novel coronavirus outbreak, plans to build another 19 makeshift hospitals to receive more infected patients, local authorities said Friday.

Upon their completion, all the makeshift hospitals in Wuhan are expected to offer 30,000 beds on Feb. 25, said Hu Yabo, deputy mayor of Wuhan at a press briefing on epidemic prevention and control.

To date, Wuhan has converted 13 existing venues into temporary hospitals, with a total of 13,348 beds, and about 9,313 beds have been put into use to treat patients with mild symptoms, said Hu.

Source: www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180377.shtml

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SleepWarrior · 21/02/2020 17:50

I think the catastrophic feel of everything going on in China a few weeks ago has lulled the vast majority of the public into a false sense of security - "look there was all that worry about it coming here and then it didn't amount to much... clearly nothing to panic about". There are still many saying 'just a cold or flu, pfff". Yes, China have pulled out all the stops for the same flurry of colds and flu they have every year...

I'm back to trying to work out at which point I would decide that the kids need to come out of school. Right now would be overkill, but in order to not risk being 'too late' it is going to need to be at a time that everyone else thinks you're ridiculous. Perhaps we would reach a consensus on here and then do it all together!

I'm feeling hopeful that it would be the kind of pandemic that doesn't bring the entire infrastructure to its knees (water, power, rioting etc), so we can just hunker down with our food and feel safe in our house. Everyone can't do that though, so perhaps it is wishful thinking Sad.

AvocadoOwl · 21/02/2020 17:51

I wonder if they are going to be 'hospitals' or actual hospitals providing medical care.

It seems a lot of the new Wuhan hospitals are effectively just quarantine centres.

Either way I don't find it very reassuring that they are building more. It implies the worst is yet to come.

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 17:53

@Orangecake123

Thanks - have added to the grocery app ready for the next shop. Hopefully we have a few more weeks...

PILs are still supposed to be going to Vietnam and Cambodia in 2 weeks time.

They are 70 & 78 Sad

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YoursTunbridgeWells · 21/02/2020 17:54

It seems I’m not alone in seeing the catastrophe grow. Going to have to talk to the children now and explain it and they’re not going to like it - I can’t blame them.

NearlySchoolTimeAgain · 21/02/2020 17:55

The two new cases in Italy are in my town. 😬 They'd has no contact with anyone from
China.

They were in a local hospital for 15 days before they realised it was CV.

We've all been ill since the start of the year. DS1 has pneumonia. DS2 is currently bed bound with a respiratory illness. I was ill for a fortnight and DH has just started coughing and has a fever.

Even if CV hasn't started silently already, our immune systems are on their knees fighting the bacterial infections we have.

TenShortStories · 21/02/2020 17:58

TunbrigdeWells - how old are your kids?

HasaDigaEebowai · 21/02/2020 18:00

Sorry to hear that nearly Sad. Hope you're all ok.

wheresmymojo Cambodia is hairy enough at the best of times in terms of cleanliness. I''d be trying to dissuade them.

TenShortStories · 21/02/2020 18:01

NearlySchoolTimeAgain oh no! Do you have everything you need to just not go out of the house until you're all fully recovered?

And 15 days in hospital is a lot of exposure time for all those working there, plus other patients and visitors, not good at all.

GorkyMcPorky · 21/02/2020 18:01

@YoursTunbridgeWells please don't panic your DCs.

ofwarren · 21/02/2020 18:07

@YoursTunbridgeWells there is no point in stressing your children. It won't help things. It would be a bit cruel to be honest, especially if they are young.
I watched a video on twitter of a family in Syria who, when the bombs drop, laugh so that their children aren't afraid. I think this is the best way to deal with traumatic episodes with young children.

justchecking1 · 21/02/2020 18:10

Is anybody else really worried about the thought of this getting into Syria?

It would be a very easy act of terrorism to just send a load of infected people to London, etc.

There's not much you can do against deliberate spreading is there?!

AvocadoOwl · 21/02/2020 18:11

It seems I’m not alone in seeing the catastrophe grow. Going to have to talk to the children now and explain it and they’re not going to like it - I can’t blame them.

What? Confused For heavens sake don't scare the shit out of your kids.

I am mentioning nothing to my children other than reassuring them that the virus is mild and nothing to worry about for the vast majority, and encouraging them to wash their hands.

AvocadoOwl · 21/02/2020 18:11

Bold fail yet again. First paragraph quoting @YoursTunbridgeWells

TheWooisStrong · 21/02/2020 18:13

I’ve been thinking that short term this might be nasty, but long term the economic impacts may be worse.
Nearly everything nowadays is made in China.

AvocadoOwl · 21/02/2020 18:14

That is a worry @NearlySchoolTimeAgain. Wishing you all a speedy recovery Thanks

nibdedibble · 21/02/2020 18:14

@YoursTunbridgeWells It isn't a catastrophe yet, it truly isn't. It is something to stay alert to but if you want to switch off media for a bit then that's fine too. xx

lemonjumper · 21/02/2020 18:16

Echo everyone else to @YoursTunbridgeWells that there is really no reason to worry your kids about this.

HighlandYak · 21/02/2020 18:18

@YoursTunbridgeWells how old are your DC? No point in scaring them, just teach or tell them depending on age about good hand hygiene in a fun no panic way. What will they gain in being told about this virus?

BlackeyedSusan · 21/02/2020 18:19

See the Brexit board for a thread: non food preps. Check through the list and see what you need to top up.

There is also share your food list thread on here with food ideas.

On the last thread there was an excellent list of preps for Covid-19. I am going to look it out and copy it.

Getting pissed off with trying to faff about on my phone.

zen1 · 21/02/2020 18:20

I think it’s a bit concerning that out of the 18 active cases in Italy, 7 are in a critical condition (looking at the wordometers info). Nothing to base this on, but I’m thinking that it started spreading overseas much earlier than originally thought, but anyone with those symptoms wasn’t tested as probably just perceived to have a flu-like illness.