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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 15:34

Pistonheads is more serious, a little less banter but still not much evidence of actually applying knowledge to prepare themselves or their families

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=205&t=1850497&p=315

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YoursTunbridgeWells · 21/02/2020 15:40

Firstly, I wanted to thank the lovely people who sent me support wishes on the 4th thread Flowers

I had a break yesterday - did read the thread but didn't post. I thought I would feel better today but not really. I have spoken to my doctor who has increased the anti depressant medication but he pointed out I may wish to hold back on taking an increased dose as it is likely to be in short supply in the future. He admitted he was concerned about patients simply not being able to get hold of any meds at all and what this might do psychically and mentally to patients.
Unfortunately, that set me off again.

I got back to survival of the fittest and I don't know how I will fare with no medication at all - Asthma wise I'd surivive I think. Immune system wise I've already proved I'm fine without (for the short term anyway), antidepressant wise...It's not going to be good.

And back to this report - if does read that as a former smoker I'd be better off starting up again as former smokers are most affected.
www.preprints.org/manuscript/202002.0051/v2

Today the whole press is full of COVID-19 misery - a legion of cases popping up here there and everywhere, healthy youngsters being critically ill (although my doctor friend tells me many younger people have underlying health conditions that they are not aware of), untracked spread through Iran, possibly Italy, DP passengers leaving scores of infections in their tracks, a ridiculously long incubation period of 28 days+, low recovered numbers, clear cases of reinfection..

That gets me back to the endless reinfection cycle. I just can't see a way out of this disease for mankind. It feels very "end of days" with the majority plodding along in blissful ignorance.

I'm sorting my affairs out rapidly but what if all my potential beneificaries are wiped out - seems likely that we could all die as a family like the chinese film producer. So how do I prep for that? I have a long list of alternatives in terms of my will but I just don't want to watch everyone around me die slowly. That is really is morbid again - apologies.

AvocadoOwl · 21/02/2020 15:48

Re the new cases in Italy all being serious it sounds as though most of the 6 were only tested because they were already seriously ill. 3 of them were random pneumonia admissions overnight.

Doesn't bode well re spread as if that is the case they are likely the tip of the iceberg.

This is how I expect it do go down here shortly- flurry of pneumonia admissions revealing widespread community transmission Sad

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 16:02

  • He admitted he was concerned about patients simply not being able to get hold of any meds at all and what this might do psychically and mentally to patients. Unfortunately, that set me off again.*

Jesus. I'm on a very high dose of Venlafaxine as I have bipolar disorder. I only just about function when I'm on it, I'll be lost without it. No way I'd be able to work and I'm the breadwinner by a long way Sad

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YoursTunbridgeWells · 21/02/2020 16:04

Not the most calming psychiatrist!

Are all the Italy patients critically ill?

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 16:06

@YoursTunbridgeWells

I genuinely don't think this is an 'end of days' scenario.

At worst it will be like the 1918 flu and despite both the 1918 flu and WW1 the population still grew.

There are lots of vaccines and treatment options being tested now.

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lemonjumper · 21/02/2020 16:08

This is how I expect it do go down here shortly- flurry of pneumonia admissions revealing widespread community transmission

Unfortunately this is exactly what I'm expecting too. I suspect it's currently being spread by people with no or mild symptoms who don't realise they are infected.

He admitted he was concerned about patients simply not being able to get hold of any meds at all and what this might do psychically and mentally to patients.

It feels like shockingly bad judgement to speculate in this way to a patient who had very deep concerns already!

AvocadoOwl · 21/02/2020 16:10

@YoursTunbridgeWells I appreciate your anxiety is spiralling but it's important to keep some perspective and context.

Hubei look to be enduring the worst case scenario and they have 63,000 cases among a population of 58 million. That's 0.1% of the population affected. Sure, the figures probably aren't accurate but if anything that would point to more unreported mild cases that would bring the death rate down.

There is no real evidence of deadly reinfection being a widespread issue. Nada. I know you are frightened but I really don't think talking to yourself and others about 'the end of days' and speculating about watching your whole family die one by one is at all helpful for anyone.

echobench · 21/02/2020 16:10

@YoursTunbridgeWells really sorry you are so stressed. I think it could be bad but not apocalyptic, as does DH who is medical. We are redoing wills, have left everything to each other and then DC of course, and if all of us die (eg in a car crash rather than pandemic!) it will go to more distant family, and some to charity. I'm not thinking about further scenarios. I can't imagine all of our close family and all of our more distant family will die at once and if we do then I don't really care what happens to the money!

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 16:15

Even in the 1918 flu c.97.5% didn't die...

And that paper about reinfection wasn't about this Coronavirus, there's no evidence to date that it's worse the second time around Thanks

The healthcare workers are thought to have had more serious cases as they had a higher viral load not because they caught it more than once.

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Skyejuly · 21/02/2020 16:22

I'm feeling calmer. I've seen my doctor for anxiety that I have regarding health issues and coronavirus was not mentioned. We are not all going to die. We just want to control having to go to shops and have to prevent ourselves being stressed. I have lots of toilet roll...paracetamol and tins of tuna.

HighlandYak · 21/02/2020 16:22

I typed out a long thing, but Avacado's wise words are much more succinct than my own! While it's not looking great at the moment, it's definitely not an end of days situation.

Also, I would not recommend starting smoking again, no point increasing long term chance of illnesses like cancer or lung problems.

I hope you are coping ok with the anxiety, I suffer from it incredibly bad myself and when I'm in "the hole" it feels very difficult to see the light for all the dark thoughts. Flowers

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 16:27

Remind me what kind of milk people recommend...

How long does stuff like Oatley last and is it better than powdered or UHT? Which tastes best?

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AvocadoOwl · 21/02/2020 16:28

I love Oatley. The dates on mine are all 2021.

Orangecake123 · 21/02/2020 16:28

B&Q were sold out, I don't live near a screwfit and wicks wanted £7 something for delivery.

I bought 10 disposable FF3 masks from here for £22.14 delivered.

www.protectivemasksdirect.co.uk/

AvocadoOwl · 21/02/2020 16:30

Oh and Oatley Barista is the best. Lasts loads longer than it says it does once opened too (kept in the fridge). Alpro plant cream is another excellent long life dairy alternative.

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 17:03

Great.

My 6 month stock of sanitary towels has arrived (I use specific organic non-smelly ones as the chemicals in the others break me out in a rash)

My scion masks have arrived.

Just doing a big online shop now:

  • Toilet rolls
  • Rice
  • Tinned tomatoes, sweet corn, baked beans, spaghetti hoops, kidney beans
  • Pasta
  • Tinned pears and peaches
  • Olive oil
  • Pancake and bread mix
  • Toothpaste
  • Shampoo & conditioner
  • Cat food
  • Chunk of cheese to freeze
  • Lentils
  • Chocolate biscuits
  • Dettol wipes

We already have loads of soap. I got a few bits like a pack of lemsip and some pain killers the other day - neither me nor DH take over the counter meds very often so I don't think there's much point getting more in. Have lots of oats in already.

Still to get: soup, dry cat food (they have a special hypoallergenic kind), coffee/tea/sugar, cordial.

Off to search through the previous threads to see what I'm missing.

Unfortunately we don't have a chest freezer but considering buying one for the garage...

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Dyrne · 21/02/2020 17:13

Re: men vs women prepping; part of it may be as well the different cultures. Prepping discussions on the wider web seem to be dominated by macho American influenced “get ALL the guns” posts which can alienate Brits. I think also sadly there may be an element of women here feeling completely comfortable chatting to each other about providing food, taking care of sick etc because in society those roles tend to be seen as falling to women anyway; even outside of an emergency situation.

So even though many men may be prepping and getting in supplies, they feel like they have less opportunity to chat about it online because it’s not seen as a “manly, exciting” thing to do?

I’m seeing my DB and SIL this weekend. They’re both frontline emergency services so I’m going to try and bring up CV in conversation and get their view.

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 17:15

Italy have just reported another 8 cases = 14 today

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ofwarren · 21/02/2020 17:18

I've taken a day off the board and it looks like all hell has broken loose ☹️ I'm really worried now. Last week was just the lull before the storm.
Just ordered more masks online. Hopefully they will come.
I'm putting in another big shop tomorrow to up the stash.

wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 17:24

And another 2 in Italy = 16 today

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wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 17:26

We may yet have more lulls. It could be weeks before we have a proper outbreak here...no-one knows.

Today has been enough for me to stop sitting on the fence and do a big prep shop though (I'm not usually a prepper).

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wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 17:27

Italy have put 9 towns in quarantine though the article doesn't say exactly what that means

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wheresmymojo · 21/02/2020 17:30

U.S. CDC calls coronavirus a "tremendous public health threat," says future human-to-human transmission in the U.S. is "very possible, even likely"

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AlohaMolly · 21/02/2020 17:33

I hope I’m not overstepping my mark mojo but in terms of sanitary ware, have you considered reusables? I bought cloth pads a few years ago and haven’t looked back! They’ve saved my bacon a few times as I’m on a low income. I’ve also noticed less painful periods and shorter ones since I’ve had them.