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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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VenetoResident · 23/02/2020 19:16

I took DS2 to our equivalent of A&E (at the same hospital that all the local CV patients are at 😬) today after taking medical advice that he really ought to be getting better.

He has got pneumonia as I suspected.

They've prescribed stronger antibiotics for him and swabbed him for CV. We're now on home quarantine until the results come in. Good job we're well stocked up.

I'm exhausted. Starting to wonder if DH and I are on our way to pneumonia too.

magicrainbowbeans · 23/02/2020 19:20

Lego that buying sounds so illogical to me, I'm thinking why would you go for fresh items that will quickly go off, over Tinned goods that can last years? Maybe I'm not a typical brit.

magicrainbowbeans · 23/02/2020 19:20

Veneto Flowers

Legoandloldolls · 23/02/2020 19:23

Yikes vento I hope now you can all get whatever help you need to start getting over it. I do hope the test comes back negative. Time to totally veg out I guess? As much as anyone with sick kids can....

applesandpears33 · 23/02/2020 19:23

Veneto - Poor DS. Hope the antibiotics hit the spot and he recovers quickly.

HasaDigaEebowai · 23/02/2020 19:24

Im so sorry Veneto

wellididntseethatcoming · 23/02/2020 19:26

My 11 month old has an appointment at arrowe park on Wednesday. She's very underweight.
Would you keep the appointment or leave it?
I really don't know what's best.

As I've said before, my reasoning for asking for advice is that I have worked in many hospitals including this one, in the Merseyside region and in London and the surrounding areas.

Arrowe park in my experience is by far the worst in terms of standards and infection control. It's god awful.

Legoandloldolls · 23/02/2020 19:27

I think us Brits cant apply logic to snow ins. It shows so rarely that your cut off for more than a week. But its hard mentality. No one needs masses of bread and milk but it's the thinking that if you dont rush out and stock up, you will go without. Theres normally plenty left to eat in the shops. Except during the petrol strikes. Then most of every thing sold out. Which was a pain as no one wanted to keep driving anyway. I waited two weeks to buy food and petrol and rationed what we had ( pre kids)

Skyejuly · 23/02/2020 19:28

I would keep my hosp app.

bobbbbby · 23/02/2020 19:32

I worked on a pandemic plan for the local authority a few years ago, and right now I want to tell everyone I know 'be prepared', but all I get is crazy looks. But, I'm prepared, we have 3-4 weeks worth of food, masks, 70% hand sanitizer, over the counter medicines for flu, and have ensured all close family have topped up their regular prescriptions. I'm not so much worried about the actual virus, more so the fact that it will likely come as shock to those who haven't been following what's happening overseas and I can understand why they might panic when start to understand that parts of the UK might be under quarentine etc

EliK · 23/02/2020 19:33

Fingers crossed for a quick recovery @VenetoResident Flowers

EmmaGrundyForPM · 23/02/2020 19:35

We have enough food for 2-3 weeks of quarantine although some of the food combinations will be weird. We have enough protein, carbs and frozen veg. Plus medications, loo roll and sanpro. Luckily we also have a garden so we could go outside, can't imagine being stuck in a flat for 2 weeks.

BrieAndChilli · 23/02/2020 19:36

I think bread and milk go as they aren’t things you can stock up in advance.
I have a well stocked pantry but if snow is forecast I will pop out and get some more bread and milk to tide us over. I don’t need to buy other stuff as we already have that. I assume it’s the same for most people?

wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 19:40
  • @TipseyTorvey I am thinking similarly.

There was a link posted about 4pm today on the AIBU corona virus thread to a blog about communication with the populace.*

It does!

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Dennisreynoldsduster · 23/02/2020 19:42

Hi all
I’ve been away from the threads but am pretty stocked up now.
Got enough nappies and formula for 2-3 months - I tend to collect them whenever they are on offer anyway as it saves a fortune
Got enough food for a month or two - then we might be surviving on a massive jar of Nutella, pancakes and whatever tins we have Grin
Got plenty of wood for the fire, litres of bottled water, over the counter flu meds and baby meds just Incase
Invested in a new thermometer to keep and eye on temps and got Sanpro, toothpaste, soap, shampoo and toilet roll etc (which I usually buy in bulk at Aldi or Costco anyway as I like to be stocked up)

Ideally need to get candles and batteries as I like to have a store of those and we are running low.

I’ve also got soft drinks, the alcohol is stocked up
And my freezers are both full. We get a Hello Fresh delivery every week now so I wonder if that would continue... they tend to leave on the doorstep anyway. But I’m using those which is handy as I’m
Not really eating into my stash (pardon the pun!)

I want to get an extra big bag of rice from Lidl, maybe pasta too, as we eat a lot of it and I pick up extra tinned tomatoes every time I shop as I use that and stock as a base for sauces.

I recommend freezing bread in sandwich bags in batches of slices as it makes it easier to break up
When you take it out.

I’ve frozen some cheese and milk as well. I’ve ordered some oatly barista milk as it’s delicious - anyone know what the shelf life of oatly cream is?

Feeling pretty well stocked for now but watching things unfold and feeling pretty worried tbh.

wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 19:48

Got enough food for a month or two - then we might be surviving on a massive jar of Nutella, pancakes

This will be the first thing to go at my house. Nutella has about a two day shelf life here BlushGrin

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AvocadoOwl · 23/02/2020 19:50

What a worry @VenetoResident. Fingers tightly crossed that the antibiotics help and that you all get over it soon xx

wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 19:52

@VenetoResident

Sorry to hear DS has pneumonia and all fingers and claws of four cats crossed here for his quick recovery and that the rest of you feel better too.

Props for getting the first MN CV swab in the family though!

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wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 19:54

Props for getting the first MN CV swab in the family though!

On second thoughts this might have been in bad taste, I have a bad habit of making light of everything Blush

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ifonly4 · 23/02/2020 20:00

Veneto fingers crossed everything is ok.

Sort of wishing I'd had more money to prep here. Anything is better than nothing.

DD had an emergency operation in Friday. DH at home with cats, he'll be glad of the cat food prepGrin. I couldn't get much in for DD but took opportunity to get nuts, long lasting brownies, crisps, biscuits, couscous and filled her part of fridge. She's at university and supposedly on uni catered Hmm

BambooBoobam · 23/02/2020 20:07

Veneto Wishing a speedy recovery for DS and hope you feel better soon too Flowers

ofwarren · 23/02/2020 20:10

Just been looking at the timeline of the swine flu outbreak. This is going to dominate my life if it follows this kind of path. It looks like it's going to be even worse.
Look part way down the page at the table.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_Kingdom

preponderings · 23/02/2020 20:13

Take care of yourself Veneto hope you all feel better soon Brew

Meme05 · 23/02/2020 20:14

An article on not just practical preparation but emotional prep too.
Equally as important if this does become a pandemic.

virologydownunder.com/past-time-to-tell-the-public-it-will-probably-go-pandemic-and-we-should-all-prepare-now/

PinkGinAndTacos · 23/02/2020 20:14

veneto hope your ds feels better soon.x

As a heads up Tesco as selling mega jars of nutella for £4. One might have fallen in my trolley earlier!
I also bought a new little saucepan. We seem to only have massive ones and the kids have gone AWOL. Noone wants to be standing over a hot stove waiting hours for the soup to warm through