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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/02/2020 17:43

Mortality rates at the moment are significantly higher. Current estimate (which will change) is 2% according to WHO. To put it into context, swine flu was 0.02%.

pemberlyshades · 23/02/2020 17:46

The 2.5% mortality rate for 1918 flu- was that Spanish flu? If so- then people should be much more scared than they are and that is a BIG indicator as to why the media may be under pressure from the govt to dumb down reporting.

Legoandloldolls · 23/02/2020 17:49

Yikes the empty shelves on Twitter are a bit worring. Looks like the UK shops after 2mm of snow 😆

I'm going to get some hand gel tomorrow then head off to Costco for loo roll and pancake mix. Maybe some trays of chicken thighs for curry too.

If anyone has a Costco near them and can join it's great for bulk buying cheaply ( if have the room and use certain things a lot - we do, 4 kids)

Dont forget toothpaste and cordial, things for the dishwasher too. I dont care how many weeks I'm locked down for, I will never get so bored I want to handwashing plates for 6 people!

For people on tight budgets, aldi do nice stir through past sauses. They are around 60p a pot. My son lives off of them. 60p pasta sauce and 20 bag of pasta is one ( boring) meal for six here. Plus cereal. You can get that about 80p a pack in Aldi.

FourTeaFallOut · 23/02/2020 17:56

Looks like the UK shops after 2mm of snow 😆

Speaking of which, now we have a weather warning for snow in my parts. Hmm

planningaheadtoday · 23/02/2020 17:56

@wheresmymojo thank you.

BunsyGirl · 23/02/2020 18:04

Why is it so difficult to find Coronavirus threads on Mumsnet...or am I just not searching correctly?!

Legoandloldolls · 23/02/2020 18:10

There is one running on AIBU

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3826144-to-be-worried-about-coronavirus-part-3

TipseyTorvey · 23/02/2020 18:11

I must be a bit dim, but I don't understand why under reporting will help. Surely some measures articles warning people that it may come to pass that isolation is required and to buy in food, medicine and entertainment for 2 weeks might be a sensible precaution whilst supply chains are still functioning? Or is it really the case that the moment the govt says 'errr I think this may be a tad serious chaps' everyone will go mad?

NebbiaZanzare · 23/02/2020 18:17

I'm in N.Italy, province of Pavia. One case in our town confirmed by the comune a few hours ago. A resident here who went to Codogno for work.

The shelves of the supermarkets weren't empty when I went at lunchtime today, went to both Carrefour and MD. Both were maybe a tiny bit busier than your average Sunday lunchtime (typically very quiet). But that was a few hours before we got the news of our first confirmed case locally. Local SM is a lot more active than usual so I'm sure I'll hear about it if the shelves here go bare tomorrow.

I just wish I'd gone to the Pharmacy on Saturday. Logically I know it's going to be no more contagious on Monday than it was on Saturday, but my inner headless chicken is having a funny five minutes.

nibdedibble · 23/02/2020 18:17

I wonder if the thinking is geared towards awareness and efforts to contain the spread above all else.

The minute they announce an official pandemic, some will think there’s no longer any point in containing it as far as possible. Meaning health services get even more overwhelmed within a short space of time. At least this way they can spread things out a bit.

BlackeyedSusan · 23/02/2020 18:25

What concerns me, is that the lock down in Italy came out of the blue. People are not going to be prepared. You really do not want to be in a heaving supermarket if there are enough cases in the area to prompt a lockdown.

I may make ex a lockdown package and hide it in his spare room. The kids are fond of him and he has his uses.

HasaDigaEebowai · 23/02/2020 18:28

There will be so many families coming back from Italy this weekend. Ready to hit the schools tomorrow..

ofwarren · 23/02/2020 18:38

I always have food in so I don't see panic buying in shops, except for water when it was off a few years back.
What kind of items do Brits buy? I'm guessing bread and milk are the first to go? The photos in Italy are so Italian. Pasta and tinned tomatoes have been ransacked!

FelicityFebruary · 23/02/2020 18:41

TipseyTorvey I am thinking similarly.

There was a link posted about 4pm today on the AIBU corona virus thread to a blog about communication with the populace. I haven't read it fully yet but it sounded like it would cover what you are pondering!

clamig · 23/02/2020 18:42

First time poster here but I've been lurking on the thread for a while and have started some basic prepping. People travelling back after half-term is my concern too and I'm trying to get some perspective here about whether I'm overthinking this at the moment.

Basically, DS is back at school tomorrow and will be sitting next to his friend who has just been to the French Alps but close to the Italian border and not hugely far from the centre of the outbreak. I'm uneasy but feel I don't have enough justification to avoid this situation. I'd really appreciate any one else's views as to whether I'm letting myself get a bit over anxious or not or what you would do in this situation. Thanks :)

OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/02/2020 18:44

What is concerning me is the idea of university towns being locked down. I can't even imagine the logistics of how feeding students and keeping them isolated would work. But they couldn't all come home either?

FelicityFebruary · 23/02/2020 18:44

Ofwarren , top items traditionally are bread and milk! also depends on weather. In our last bout of bad winter weather that blocked deliveries a couple of years back it was soup ingredients that ran short next!

ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 23/02/2020 18:48

Finally back in the north east from our London break. We've had a great time and dd says it's been her best birthday ever but I'm pleased to be home.

While waiting at kings cross station I saw about a dozen people wearing masks which based on appearances alone, I'd guess were European. A dozen people out of the hundreds that willI have passed through while I we had a coffee isn't many I suppose. I was a bit jealous I wasn't doing the same as I lost count of the amount times I saw someone cough into their hand and then touch every surface around them. I even saw one man leaning into the balcony start coughing, he made no attempt to step back or cover his mouth and I saw droplets leave his mouth. I'm pleased I wasn't stood below 🤮

FelicityFebruary · 23/02/2020 18:53

I'm a hot drink addict and what I learned in the great milk drought (local farms and dairy were snowed in for some days too) was that I really dont like uht except in coffee, oatly and goats milk are expensive but nice. And in a pinch I will drink herbal tea and those weird cappuccino sachets.

AdaColeman · 23/02/2020 18:58

😷

FelicityFebruary · 23/02/2020 19:04

Ohyoubadkitten, do you mean in future situations? Maybe by that stage they give up on containment and move to mitigation so it would be more that lectures and seminars are cancelled to avoid large scale social mixing.

FelicityFebruary · 23/02/2020 19:09

I hope you aren't implying I'm contagious Ada!

Seriously though I'm not getting masks. They have been shown it to be ineffective if misused as it gives a false sense of security. More scrupulous hand washing is considered a better defence. Hence WHO advice that they are useful for the ill and trained medical staff.

I understand others would call it differently!

pemberlyshades · 23/02/2020 19:14

@itsnotjustthefuckingflu I think you may have just helped me to decide whether I'm wearing a mask this week in London!

magicrainbowbeans · 23/02/2020 19:15

I'm guessing the second any brits think their town will be locked down, they will go out and clear shelves of anything they can lay hands on, meaning some will have more than they need and others nothing.

Legoandloldolls · 23/02/2020 19:16

Panic buying in the UK for snow seems to centred around bread and milk. People go crazy and buy every single type of bread product ( think EVERY bread based product like crumpets, rolls, flatbread, cakes ) - only the iced birthday cakes was left and even then they looked 50% gone. I imagined people making sandwiches out of a fully iced paw patrol birthday cake😂

There was some flour left but that went fast too. Tinned things was mainly ok. Fresh meat and some veg I think was desimated.

If the UK goes into panic mode then start Googling how to make lunches from wedding cake and corned beef 🤔

That's made me think of buying frozen croissant tubes.....