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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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LittleSwede · 23/02/2020 16:13

The gov.uk sure keeps crashing everything time I try to check for updates, it would appear Mumsnet is more reliable Smile

wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 16:15

Yes.

TBH that's not really a big issue (apart from the people involved and that travelled with them). They're already quarantined, no need for contract tracing etc.

However yet again (I feel like screaming it every time I read the stats about the number of negative tests) it proves that you can have several negative tests before a positive test.

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wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 16:16

Finally in the last 15 mins the Italy story has been posted on both Sky and BBC apps

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ofwarren · 23/02/2020 16:16

I'm "glad" it is people already in quarantine. That was a scary 2 hours!

AvocadoOwl · 23/02/2020 16:17

2pm update out now but doesn't include the new 4.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/02/2020 16:18

It's totally unsurprising. It does show that there was ongoing transmission on the DP though, despite their supposed quarantining.

planningaheadtoday · 23/02/2020 16:22

@wheresmymojo

Do you have links to the 1st and 2nd thread?

I'm trying to get my son (at university) to do a bit of prep.

The lists of items on the first threads were good but they've fallen off my feed as I'm on the app.
Tia.

wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 16:30

Thread 1

Prepping for pandemic... www.mumsnet.com/Talk/preppers/3805837-prepping-for-pandemic

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NotYourTypicalNerd · 23/02/2020 16:30

Where is the update link please?

wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 16:30

Thread 2

Prepping for a pandemic 2 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/preppers/3814607-prepping-for-a-pandemic-2

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NotYourTypicalNerd · 23/02/2020 16:31

the daily update I mean.

BambooBoobam · 23/02/2020 16:33

The gov update doesn’t say anything about travel from Italy does it?

wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 16:37

Another death in Italy Sad

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wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 16:39

I don't sit watching the numbers by the way - I get push notifications on my phone from Twitter accounts...

I won't pretend that I'm not slightly hooked in by following it all and learning about historical pandemics but I'm not quite bad enough to stare at the official numbers all day...yet.

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wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 16:43

This is the relevant page on the Govt site

www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-information-for-the-public

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wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 16:44

Nothing about travel to Italy

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NotYourTypicalNerd · 23/02/2020 16:44

thank you

ofwarren · 23/02/2020 16:47

So many pictures of empty supermarket shelves in Italy. It shows how quick a country goes from normal to shortages.

FourTeaFallOut · 23/02/2020 16:47

I'm more likely to check the numbers and keep up with Dr Campbell than read the news. I've had enough of wading through all the dross and misdirection.

MissusMaker · 23/02/2020 16:49

I'm not surprised to read about the new DP cases, but I wonder what this means for the rest of the evacuees? IIRC they are relatively free to mix at Arrowe Park and presumably if someone in your flat tests positive - say in a weeks time - then that extends your own quarantine by another two weeks?

FourTeaFallOut · 23/02/2020 16:49

It shows how quick a country goes from normal to shortages

This is what I don't want to have to do, venture out during a local outbreak to scrap over food and toilet roll.

TipseyTorvey · 23/02/2020 17:09

I lived in Zimbabwe in the 80s when there were some kind of sanctions and the supermarkets went from bountiful to empty REALLY fast. You got used to queues when deliveries came in, bulk buying of things that had come in and finding ways around things that just never seemed to turn up. Eg matches just disappeared so you had to keep embers alive and guard lighters with your life. It wasn't terrible and you learnt to adapt but we got used to getting a lot of basics in stock always. I doubt businesses like sainsburys will shut but it might not be quite as fluid as it is now with everyone getting exactly what they want when they want it.

ofwarren · 23/02/2020 17:25

Alcune foto scattate al Gigante a #Cavenago.

#coronavirusitalla #coronavirus #amuchina #Covid_19 #koronavirus t.co/EHT0UG7bxn the shelves are decimated. It's interesting what things seem to be gone. So far I've seen pasta (obviously) frozen peas and meat

pemberlyshades · 23/02/2020 17:27

REALLY trying not to be paranoid- but a lot of tweets are disappearing that talk about the false negatives and length of incubation time- I've literally just seen a thread where the original reply to a news article has disappeared!

pemberlyshades · 23/02/2020 17:36

Sorry if I'm being dense- but I'm thinking about a lot of the replies online and face to face about how it's only "a new type of flu" and therefore we shouldn't worry.
But from what I know it is different from normal flu. Normal flu isn't contagious until you have symptoms. Lasts for maximum 2-3 weeks. The mortality rates and risk factors are about the same (I think? Based on current info)
But the big practical difference is the rate of transmission/infection and that it can spread whilst people are asymptomatic.
Surely, the idea that the majority of people could ALL be sick at the same time, and those that aren't will probably looking after sick family, surely THAT is the big threat to the economy and why people shouldn't be equating it to "normal flu"?
Most of the population doesn't and can't be infected with "normal flu" all around the same time- mortality rate aside.
Is this fair reasoning? Or am I missing something?