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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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AvocadoOwl · 23/02/2020 15:48

Just back from my weekly shop and now consider my prep stash complete. Has felt like a bit of a half arsed attempt at prepping because I have just added some extra bits each time I have shopped but it's all added up. Today was the final push- added a few bigger items like bulk bags of pasta and coffee etc.

Both Aldi and Tesco had a reasonable supply of 70%+ hand gels.

Agree the lack of 2pm announcement is a worry. Can't imagine a DP passenger would cause dilly dally over announcing- it wouldn't be unexpected and they are all safely quarantined anyway.

Snowdropsdelight · 23/02/2020 15:50

Where is the '' announcement '' coming from please

TheGirlFromStoryville · 23/02/2020 15:50

Snowdrop
He likes surprises 😂

Pppppickupapenguin · 23/02/2020 15:53

@ofwarren never, ever, ever get between an Italian and their at least daily pasta Wink.

EliK · 23/02/2020 15:53

www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-information-for-the-public

Just doing an online food shop to add another week's worth of stuff.

Snowdropsdelight · 23/02/2020 15:53

The girl, re brand them from love honey or something...

ofwarren · 23/02/2020 15:54

The department of health do an announcement at 2pm every day giving the current numbers in UK

wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 15:54

The delay to the announcement could just be some civil service balls up like they mixed up who's turn it was to be on rota for it today!

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TheGirlFromStoryville · 23/02/2020 15:57

Snowdrop
Kinky! 😂
First time I've laughed today, thank you!

Snowdropsdelight · 23/02/2020 15:59

Brilliant thank you

pemberlyshades · 23/02/2020 16:00

@Papayrus good point

wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 16:01

Statement from European CDC in pic...

Prepping for a pandemic....5
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bellinisurge · 23/02/2020 16:03

Thanks for all your hard work , op.

pemberlyshades · 23/02/2020 16:04

Woah, thanks mojo

ShanghaiDiva · 23/02/2020 16:04

@wheresmymojo
My point is there are unlikely to be lots of Chinese tourists there now or recently. I was going in April with China southern airlines and my flights were cancelled two weeks ago. Movement has been severely restricted in China and it’s tricky enough to get to another city, let alone on an overseas trip. The border remained open and I know people who went there in order to leave China for a week or so, but this would have been end of January.
I have been to Cambodia several times and there is a decent hospital in Siem Reap (personal experience!) and am sure similar in P Penh, but challenging in more remote areas and infrastructure not fabulous.

SebandAlice · 23/02/2020 16:05

I can’t see the pic @wheresmymojo

What does it say?

AvocadoOwl · 23/02/2020 16:06

Disclaimer- the following is purely rumour followed by complete speculation based on zero evidence....

Rumours on Twitter suggest 4 confirmed cases at Arrowe Park. I don't see why that would require a delay though- presumably that's an easy one to communicate? Unless they are Arrowe Park cases involving non-DP passengers... THAT would require very careful communication given it would suggest the previous evacuated lot has passed infection on locally despite testing negative and being asymptomatic.

wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 16:07

Heavily summarised..

As the situation is rapidly evolving, more cases are expected in Italy, and possibly in the EU, in the coming days.

Extraordinary measures have been put in place in Northern Italy and may need to be put in place elsewhere if there are further outbreaks.

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lemonjumper · 23/02/2020 16:08

Confirmation of four new cases: www.gov.uk/government/news/cmo-for-england-announces-four-new-cases-of-novel-coronavirus

SebandAlice · 23/02/2020 16:09

Thank you wheresmy

This is getting very scary.

pemberlyshades · 23/02/2020 16:09

It's been confirmed on dept of health and social care twitter feed- 4 cases in uk

pemberlyshades · 23/02/2020 16:11

Still no daily update though

ShanghaiDiva · 23/02/2020 16:12

@wheresmymojo
Re the trip, I would probably still go. Assume the trip would be cancelled by the tour company if there were serious concerns.
As I have said upthread, more shops and offices are opening this week in China so it will be interesting to see what happens to the number of cases. There are approx 600 cases in my province, no deaths and 400 recovered - province population about 70 million.
Dh is looking at going back week after next.

Givemeabreakpls · 23/02/2020 16:12

No news on the 4 new cases on the Guardian website yet. The gov. UK link says they were DP passengers, am I right?

wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 16:13

Confirmed now...

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