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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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ofwarren · 23/02/2020 15:07

I hate not knowing. That's when I feel anxious about the situation. I wish they would hurry up.

BambooBoobam · 23/02/2020 15:08

Just seen on Twitter that there are suspected cases in Afghanistan now.

EliK · 23/02/2020 15:15

Still no update? Maybe something to do with the Diamond Princess passengers arriving?

mybrainhurtsalot · 23/02/2020 15:18

In terms of ideas for food preps I picked up some spreadable goat’s cheese that was on offer is Asda & it’s ok til July. (wish I’d bought a few more). I also stocked up on jarlsberg as it was £1 a pack and lasts til May. I have more fridge than freezer space.

Pppppickupapenguin · 23/02/2020 15:18

Italy is being hit hard atm. Next week is Carnivale, which is especially busy in Venice. Wonder if it will be cancelled?

Yes, the authorities have cancelled the event.

FelicityFebruary · 23/02/2020 15:20

For the fridge pate often has good dates on. Liver pates will give some vitamin D too.

Mummyjsa · 23/02/2020 15:24

First post!
Just read a comment on Twitter that people at Arrowe Park have tested positive. I really hope this isn’t true!

ofwarren · 23/02/2020 15:24

www.agi.it/cronaca/news/2020-02-23/coronavirus-contagio-assalto-supermercati-vuoti-7182657/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Coronavirus: assault on supermarkets in the 'red zone' of Lodigiano

Long queues and empty shelves. Some pharmacies have run out of stocks

This is why we prep...

FelicityFebruary · 23/02/2020 15:25

If they are off the Diamond Princess its not really surprising.

ofwarren · 23/02/2020 15:26

@Mummyjsa it's probably the reason why the 2pm update is late. I wouldn't be surprised if there are positive cases from that ship. It was a floating Petri dish.

FelicityFebruary · 23/02/2020 15:26

I wonder if they would list them separate to other UK cases. Could cause a debate over reporting!

cheninblanc · 23/02/2020 15:29

I've been watching this thread and getting tips, although not started to prep yet! I work for the nhs and I'm my sector we are not prepared and could well be very vulnerable in our position and what we do. Today's update is very late, I wander what's coming!

HuntedUp · 23/02/2020 15:29

I’m waiting with you all - expecting a significant update. At least I feel somewhat ready

Legoandloldolls · 23/02/2020 15:30

The only time I can think I would need a mask is a situation like China. Where you have to wear one to leave the house because it's the law, or your nursing someone in hospital.

It could come into house in clothes, into your eyes etc. At least viruses cant replicate outside of cells like bacteria so it's easier to wipe them away. But I'm really not fond of spray disinfectants so I wouldn't spray my clothes. Disinfectant can get into your lungs and kill off the good germs. Making a more pleasant environment for bad germs as less competition same kind of thing as with gut anti biotic. ( disclaimer I'm no expert so feel free to ignore my theory on aerosol disinfectant in a confined space that your also currently breathing in.)

I think it's just import that we do what we personally feel comfortable with. If it was making a mask from loo roll or not being allowed on the streets ( extremely unlikely as we have next to zero police and massive forces cuts) then I would make a useless mask to get out.

Anyway we arent like China. Too many people who wont be told what to do and not enough people to enforce anything. In theory staff could refuse service in shops without a mask I guess.

mybrainhurtsalot · 23/02/2020 15:32

Ah yes, pate’s a good one. I remember my parents used to buy pate in jars (possibly from France) that would last for ages. I’ve only seen it in plastic packs in the chiller cabinets here. Can you get cupboard-stable jars of pate these days?

Papyrus · 23/02/2020 15:32

Call me cynical, but I wonder if it’s not good news, and they’ve delayed the update until after the shops shut at 4pm, to prevent panic buying?

ofwarren · 23/02/2020 15:33

I'm not going to be able to stop refreshing my twitter feed until this news comes in.

mybrainhurtsalot · 23/02/2020 15:34

Oops Blush thread had massively moved on.

Snowdropsdelight · 23/02/2020 15:34

The girl I bet your dh will love his bday present 😂😂

Effieray · 23/02/2020 15:40

@ofwarren

Which twitter thread are you watching?

ofwarren · 23/02/2020 15:42

Just following the department of health and refreshing my page for everything that mentions the word coronavirus. That's where I get the news links from.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/02/2020 15:42

I have jarred pate from France. It's not terribly exciting, but it's useful.

I've done a stock check and rotation, checking my supplies from No Deal. One or two things need supplementing but it's ok.
My top tip, sharpie dates of everything on the top and sides. Makes it so much faster.

Effieray · 23/02/2020 15:43

@ofwarren

Thank you

wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 15:46

My top tip from my Brexit stash is...

Don't store your food right next to the laundry powder.

I had quite the horrible experience of taking a big mouthful of Cheerios that tasted like non-bio washing powder Envy

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wheresmymojo · 23/02/2020 15:46

I also know that it's bloody obvious that you shouldn't but I just didn't think about it Hmm

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