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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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ofwarren · 23/02/2020 10:00

I can see everyone else posting anxious, panicky threads e,g. "new case in Itally", "another death in Iran" - most of the time these things are way before English lanuage reporting has caught up, I suspect people are watching the worldometers tallies all day*
This is NOT panicking. We are trying to follow the progression on the virus so that we can make informed decisions. Trust me, I would be panicking WITHOUT this information.

ofwarren · 23/02/2020 10:02

Bold fail sorry

BatSegundo · 23/02/2020 10:02

@captainamericassexybeard "i was at a wedding yesterday and for some
Reason was starting to feel less anxious"

Your other thread suggests that you may have had something nice to distract you...WinkGrin

Parker231 · 23/02/2020 10:06

Those people held in quarantine in Milton Keynes are getting to go home today - they must be so relieved to get back to normal life.

preponderings · 23/02/2020 10:17

Similarly I’m sure a talented prepper would know how to convert an old bedsheet into a mask design if need be. Any thoughts?

Viruses range in size from about 20 to 400 nanometres in diameter (1 nanometre = 10-9 meters).

You can see the holes in the weave of a bedsheet with the naked eye. My thoughts are it would be pointless!

KundaliniRising · 23/02/2020 10:19

A couple of books that we have at home that may be of interest for preppers and bushcrafters alike.

Richard mabey, food for free, foraging helps to prolong ones food stocks

Lofty wiseman, sas survival, this is a good all round book for basic prep, it has sections on water purification, what to have with regards to tools, fire lighting techniques, etc

Both of these books we use for our family bushcraft interest. Skills such as the ones in the books i feel are important basic knowledge.

The other type of book i would recommend is a basic first aid book, one that is aimed for children and adults.

Keeping camping cooking equipment to hand, but remember if using a gas stove, the area needs to be well ventilated. A Kelly kettle is a super means of heating water quickly and a wonderbag slow cooker will help reduce fuel use, the best pan for using with it is imho a enamelled cast-iron casserole dish.

And in the words of the 'hitch hikers guide to the galaxy' ..... 'DONT PANIC' ..... In big friendly letters Grin

OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/02/2020 10:20

What would be the purpose of a homemade mask?

KundaliniRising · 23/02/2020 10:23

The only way to make a home made mask would be to sew the mask it self with a inner piuch that could fit a standered mask filter, such as the ones that can be bought on amazon.

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 23/02/2020 10:31

I suppose a home made mask may be to prevent touching your face rather than thinking you're somehow blocking the virus from getting through?

ShanghaiDiva · 23/02/2020 10:36

@AmelieTaylor
Agree, the quarantine restrictions and being potentially separated from my dd do concern me more than the virus.
I am back in the uk and dd’s school is closed until 16th March. Dh is in HK and looking to go back to China perhaps week commencing 2nd March as restrictions on movement are starting to be relaxed. We are waiting to see if there is a spike next week.
Dd and I will remain in the uk for the moment.
Btw I don’t live in shanghai (despite the name) but in a city in Jiangsu province.

Sterristripoff · 23/02/2020 10:36

I am really scared now. Prepping was helping control my anxiety but after the news (and deafening silence from government etc) over the last few days I can’t help but feel we are all going to be infected. Then it’s just luck on whether you pull through.

We are a low income family. I’ve managed to get some bits (oats, long life milk, tinned tuna, lentils, tinned tomatoes, pasta and rice) but realistically I can’t afford to buy anymore. What I do have would keep us going 1/2 weeks max.

Stircrazyschoolmum · 23/02/2020 10:41

My purpose of raising the homemade mask was 2 fold.. firstly there are large swathes of the population that don’t have £23 to spend on disposable ones or multiple filters. Secondly as flagged by a number of posters, masks are already in short supply.

I don’t own a mask and have no intention of getting one as I’m not high risk or regularly interacting with those who are. (I’m more in the handwashing camp) But for some people it may give them peace of mind to know there is a homemade method that might offer some protection. (The holes in the sheet is an interesting point - having not seen one of these masks I have no concept of their density or how one breathes wearing one!!)

Stircrazyschoolmum · 23/02/2020 10:45

I appreciate this is from the DM and not necessarily the most accurate source but this was what triggered my thinking.. I just hate the idea of people on limited incomes being ripped off.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8006937/amp/How-make-coronavirus-mask-Hong-Kong-officials-release-DIY-video.html

KundaliniRising · 23/02/2020 10:52

A person would need to use carbon filter cloth and impregnated nano silver cloth to layer on top of each other and even then it would be very hard to judge the weave tighness for particals as small as viruses Sad

OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/02/2020 10:57

There's no point in wearing a mask if it's not going to be in the slightest bit effective though. It has to fit well, including around the nose, if it doesn't fit well, it won't work and would have you touching your face more. Plus there's the whole fabric thing just not working.

In terms of China, we won't know for another 3-4 weeks if they are relaxing restrictions too early. Incubation period plus time to develop serious symptoms.

Orangecake123 · 23/02/2020 11:02

@Sterristripoff

Even having something is better than nothing.

HasaDigaEebowai · 23/02/2020 11:08

I don’t know why people wouldn’t pick up a mask whilst they can. In B&Q they are £3 for the diy disposable ones. I appreciate some people don’t have a spare £3 but most do

FourTeaFallOut · 23/02/2020 11:18

I think most people just are not ready to entertain that this is a problem for us yet. For some people the events in Italy might be the nudge but for others it won't be until it's on their doorstep.

Snowdropsdelight · 23/02/2020 11:20

I have colleague who I work fairly closely with, who has visited relatives recently arrived from China they are in Ireland and have temp things done in China.

Aside from usual alcohol gel, wipes, trying to keep a distance... What else can I do, how at risk am I?

Secondly we have 5 colleagues going to Disney Paris, again what is our risk!

Snowdropsdelight · 23/02/2020 11:22

Lastly, I have two trips booked, one is Brighton at Easter, already paid for, would anyone go.

Second trip is only flight booked for bologna, I was going to Florence then train to Venice. I could go Florence and stay there or down to Rome.

That's for October. Should I suck up the one flight booked? And not go?

HuntedUp · 23/02/2020 11:24

@HasaDigaEebowai - I can’t find the disposable masks in stock anywhere though

EliK · 23/02/2020 11:30

I have 3 masks but I'll be hoping to stay home and not have to use them. Also have a pack of nitrile gloves.

CrazyOnAComputer · 23/02/2020 11:36

I bought 150 surgical face masks from Amazon just before this became a big thing, wish I had bought more now they are out of stock.

Skyejuly · 23/02/2020 11:43

Yes I would g9 to Brighton and Paris.

I don't want to buy masks because I don't think they will help me. I'm handwashing camp too. Plus they won't fit my kids.

MerryTwinkletoes · 23/02/2020 11:44

Personally not buying masks as my feeling is that if/when it gets to the stage that there is a large/localised breakout then masks don't guarantee safety (see the number of medics being infected!!) and id rather leave those masks available for those that really need them such as medics, immunocompromised people etc.

The risk to me & immediate family appears to be more along the lines of a bad illness but not lethal based on our ages & health levels so I am prepping more for being ill indoors for 2-3 weeks than anything else or if panic buying starts then I'd rather be ahead of it!