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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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NotYourTypicalNerd · 22/02/2020 19:38

So after the livestream I went back and watched todays video from Dr John. He has italy at 30. Gisanddata has them at 62 Shock

ofwarren · 22/02/2020 19:39

Why are Italy only closing things for a week? Thought it had to be at least 2?

NotYourTypicalNerd · 22/02/2020 19:40

Also there are now all these other outbreaks, he has been talking to other doctors, cities like the above are being shut down. And our bus drivers arent even wearing protective masks?! Who has activated the crisis team - why is there not more said over here?

FourTeaFallOut · 22/02/2020 19:44

I do not have three months of prep Grin. There's five of us in this house and we get through loads of food and there's only so much space to store stuff.

I think we would have enough for three weeks but that last week we'd be eating food rather than meals so, the ignored Christmas pudding at the back of the cupboard, beans, tuna and soup, mmm.

wheresmymojo · 22/02/2020 19:45

Riots in Iran due to transfer of CV patients.

This is what lack of information does - makes everyone crazy.

twitter.com/heshmatalavi/status/1231293484394565633?s=21

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wheresmymojo · 22/02/2020 19:48

Yep Italy are at 65 cases now...

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wheresmymojo · 22/02/2020 19:48

No idea of the clustering of the cases. I think the numbers are going up faster than people can keep up with them at this point.

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FelicityFebruary · 22/02/2020 19:50

I've got a couple of weeks or a bit longer if knuckle down to intermittent fasting!
There is a limit to what can be stored with us.

I feel better knowing there's stuff in if we are ill.

aliasname · 22/02/2020 19:53

If the prediction is for 60% of us to catch it, is there any point in all the antiviral gels/wipes etc? I've been focusing on food etc for 2 weeks in case we can't go out, plus trying to bolster our immune systems to help fight it.

I understand that for those people who are in at-risk groups they want to prevent it if possible, for the rest of us, do we just prep for the inevitable?

wheresmymojo · 22/02/2020 19:53

What has been confirmed is that the person they thought was patient 0 in the recent Italy cluster (friend of the 38 year old guy who'd had dinner with him after coming back from China) has not had CV.

His blood has been tested and this supposed 'Patient 0' had zero antibodies that would be present even if he'd had CV and been asymptomatic.

So basically - no-one knows how any of these clusters in Italy started.

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FourTeaFallOut · 22/02/2020 19:56

Aliasname thoroughly washing your hands and using hand gel is the very least you could do to prevent becoming a vector yourself and putting those people at risk.

ofwarren · 22/02/2020 19:57

I still think it's best to try and not catch the virus alias I'd prefer to be one of the 40%. Plus, you have less chance of passing it on to someone more vulnerable.

BlackeyedSusan · 22/02/2020 19:58

Italy are actively looking for cases and contacts so not surprising it is going up.

Thanks for the laugh. I can see my last week of food being Christmas pudding for breakfast dinner and tea. Possibly served with cooked dried beans. Oh joy.

Adds tinned veg to shopping list.

FelicityFebruary · 22/02/2020 20:00

Silver lining is kids would have to eat oily fish.

Anyway I'm off baking now to fill up my tins and I will replace my flour etc tomorrow. (I love Sunday opening! I know I show my age there.)

Italy didn't know it had any, next thing its in ill patients at hospitalization stage. Everyone they are testing now will be have a high chance of being positive. I'm not surprised really.

Banana0pancakes · 22/02/2020 20:00

Is anyone contemplating splitting the family up? I'm in a really fortunate position that I'm on mat leave til end of may however DH is in the emergency services. Not healthcare related but still alot of public contact and will probably be dealing with people not adhering to quarantine if it ever got that bad.

I've spoke to him about this and he agrees he'll leave if/when I ask him too. Is anyone else contemplating this? I'll be so sad but I'm so determined to keep our dc safe

BlackeyedSusan · 22/02/2020 20:01

Sounds a good idea banana.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 22/02/2020 20:01

I've been a bit hopeless on the hygiene thing this afternoon. Travelled through London on some very busy underground lines. Did my best to not handle things, but then on the train the delicious fudge in my pocket called to me and I've been merrily munching away on it until I came back onto this thread and realised I hadn't used my antibac.

/Sigh.

I think sometimes I've the common sense of a newt.

wheresmymojo · 22/02/2020 20:02

I'm not in that position @Banana0pancakes but I know that health workers in China have done that so that they didn't risk infecting their own families Sad

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HuntedUp · 22/02/2020 20:03

I’ve name changed to properly join you.

Just been to the supermarket to get some final bits. I think we’d now be okay for a couple of weeks - I just want to be able to avoid having to go out unless we have to. I’ve been trying to explain to dh but he is still in the “it’s just flu, there’s nothing in the news” brigade.

When the dc start back at school on Monday, I’m thinking of getting them to shower as soon as they get home. Has anyone else considered this?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 22/02/2020 20:05

I think that with DC it's imperative that we don't stress them out too much with this. I know we want to protect them, we need to protect their mental health too and that means just keep it simple. Wash their hands, maybe change out of uniform, but just be really chill about it.

AmelieTaylor · 22/02/2020 20:06

@wheresmymojo

Take a deep breath.

(IMO) Prepping (for me at least) is not about whether we are going to catch it anyway or not. It’s about being able to stay in our home & not go out & about with the Great Unwashed if we CHOOSE not to, or if there’s a local outbreak & we are asked to stay indoors). Staying home is fine, doing it without food and wine is not 😖

It’s about having symptom relieving products in and food we want to eat if we are feeling too crap to go out & can’t get a Tesco (etc) delivery

When I feel crap I barely want to go downstairs, let alone to the shops, so I want paracetamol, tomato soup and strepsils etc

There’s a huge variation in what people call ‘prepped’. Some people have ‘prepped’ with what I’d consider less than a standard shop of x. Others have the volume of stuff that would fill my local corner shop - we each just have to prep to our own comfort & affordability level 🤷🏻‍♀️

I want some masks & 70% alcohol hand gel etc because I just don’t want other people’s germy germs 🦠. I can’t stop picturing the 🦠 on supermarket trolleys etc now. Whatever grimness they’re carrying with them.

I have bought food that I don’t normally eat because, as I said, I normally eat Vegetarian Keto & that’s all fresh. It’s to ‘diet control’ my diabetes, not for fun (that’s for bloody sure). when it’s no longer ideal to be kept for ‘prep’ (say a month from ‘use by’ I will donate it to a food bank and top up the short fall (I would use it past that date, but I wouldn’t donate it past that date) Yes, over the next year or so it might end up costing me a bit of money, but if it goes to a food bank that’s ok.

Don’t let your DH put you off prepping to a level you’re happy with & can afford.

Oh and I have a GOOD supply of coffee in. That’s for everyone’s benefit - I’m MUCH. Nicer after coffee 🤣

ofwarren · 22/02/2020 20:07

@HuntedUp with my immune suppressed son we use hand gel at the school door on exit and once home we wash hands thoroughly and then his school uniform is either washed in Dettol laundry liquid or put in the freezer overnight as that also kills viruses.
I also spray his school bag with the Dettol spray.

EliK · 22/02/2020 20:08

@Banana0pancakes similar situation, we've decided it'll just be me and my DS at home. OH thinks I'm mad but we have to consider it.

justchecking1 · 22/02/2020 20:13

The 1918 flu sort of represents the 'worst case scenario' but if you watch documentaries about it they talk about the illness and deaths. They don't mention other impacts on society - like whether there were shortages, etc.

You have to remember Spanish flu came at the end of a massive world war, they were probably well used to shortages by this point, and didn't really notice any additional ones!

ifonly4 · 22/02/2020 20:21

I'm another one who works in a school. It isn't as clean as I'd like, on top of which no obvious encouragement to wash hands, sanitizer dispensers installed but never have any gel, hands everywhere, children sneezing twice recently and droplets felt on face. It worries me.

My second job has always had antibac hand gel and now a few santizers around for as much use as we wish. DH's work have come up with guidelines and contingency plans just in case. But the school, nothing so far.

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