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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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wheresmymojo · 22/02/2020 13:50

Iran is now at 28 cases, 5 deaths

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VenetoResident · 22/02/2020 14:01

@ifonly4

Hi neighbour! Hope your DC is better soon!

Zorona · 22/02/2020 14:14

Is anyone wondering about getting a pneumonia vaccine? I know it’s viral pneumonia but protection against bacterial pneumonia could protect somewhat against any additional infections. It’s worrying that 38year old Italian is so badly affected

wheresmymojo · 22/02/2020 14:29

I think if I were in an 'at risk' group I would certainly consider discussing the pneumonia vaccination with a health professional.

As you say it won't stop you contracting COVID and that leading to viral pneumonia but I'm assuming it would help to reduce the chance of secondary bacterial pneumonia which is what has happened in severe cases.

As I'm not in 'at risk' groups I'm not going to personally.

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wheresmymojo · 22/02/2020 14:55

Latest Dr John Campbell video is worth watching.

He has been quite level headed throughout but is clearly becoming more concerned.

He has contacts in Iran and the situation seems potentially very bad there Sad

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BambooBoobam · 22/02/2020 15:01

wheresmymojo I was just coming on to say about Dr Campbell’s latest video.

‘Tell the world’ Sad

RhubarbTea · 22/02/2020 15:15

You know those times if you've ever been a patient in hospital and some kindly, wise medical professional says to you "No need to panic. If I panic, then you can start worrying but until then, no need to stress" and they say it with a smile and you feel comforted?
Well, watching Dr John Campbell getting increasingly serious and concerned is possibly the most worrying thing I've experienced all week, because if he's worried, then I'm worried too. He's very measured and not remotely alarmist but seeing him looking so grim is a bit awful. Thanks for posting the video though, it is very interesting.

BlackeyedSusan · 22/02/2020 15:18

Korea were 433 at the11.25 update and Italy 39 and Iran 28, so that is quite a big jump in a couple of hours.

Italy are now activity looking for cases so I am not surprised that is going up.

The news of the Korean tour to Israel is not good.

AvocadoOwl · 22/02/2020 15:25

The high CFR suggested in Iran is the scariest bit I think. Although I suppose if it's as widespread there as it appears we have no way of knowing what % deaths there are in terms of the wider infected population.

Awful.

GorkyMcPorky · 22/02/2020 15:29

Dr Campbell makes the point that you can hardly point the finger at China / Iran / NK for being less than transparent when you have PHE claiming that the NHS is well prepared, which it isn't.

BlackeyedSusan · 22/02/2020 15:40

We should have £350 million a week extra to spend on the NHS so it will be fiiiiiine. Not like our dear leader would lie at all.

Orangecake123 · 22/02/2020 15:46

With Blair weapons on mass destruction were of course also found in iraq.

HasaDigaEebowai · 22/02/2020 15:48

You can't suddenly magic up extra doctors, even if you can magic up extra beds

BlackeyedSusan · 22/02/2020 15:52

I am deep breathing as I have had a short intermission where I put both arms in the air, took a deep breath and ran round screaming we are all going to.die...

Ok not literally, but even so...

I have food in, I have meds in, I have masks, power banks, wind up radio and other preps. Financially got a buffer. Etc etc. So no more I can do.

I would like to top up the fridge but want to wait for a quieter day in the supermarket. It is also quite full already.

AlohaMolly · 22/02/2020 15:55

Financial buffers... is it worthwhile having stuff in the bank AND cash? I don’t have many savings to speak of, but the little I’ve amassed are largely tied up in premium bonds so not readily accessible. Is it best to have a bit of cash?

RhodaCamel · 22/02/2020 15:59

Can anyone tell me how much bottled water would a family of 4 (kids 12 and 14) need for drinking for a month? I’ve got a fair bit of food stocked but haven’t yet calculated what we will need when it comes to fluids.

FourTeaFallOut · 22/02/2020 16:00

I suppose that depends. If you are asked to go into quarantine for 14 days, would you be able to pay the bills over that time? It takes over a week to get your money out of premium bonds - it might take longer if lots of people do that at the same time - would you be able to cover that gap?

FourTeaFallOut · 22/02/2020 16:03

For a month? Heaps.

About a gallon 4.5 l of water per person per day.

FourTeaFallOut · 22/02/2020 16:05

Sorry, gallon = 4.5 litres

So 18 litres per day for your family.

HasaDigaEebowai · 22/02/2020 16:05

Google says 3 litres of water per person per day but obviously it depends on climate, exertion levels etc.

But its very unlikely the water supply would go off long term and in this country we can safely drink water from the taps.

FourTeaFallOut · 22/02/2020 16:07

But, I don't think this is one of those situations where it would help to stock that much water.

FourTeaFallOut · 22/02/2020 16:10

X-post, I type so slow Blush

Yeah, I mean considering we are hardly in the midst of a heatwave (and so long as you are not planning a 14 day DIY marathon! Grin ) that 4.5l is probably excessive.

lemonjumper · 22/02/2020 16:10

Can anyone tell me how much bottled water would a family of 4 (kids 12 and 14) need for drinking for a month? I’ve got a fair bit of food stocked but haven’t yet calculated what we will need when it comes to fluids.

The recommended prepping amount is usually 4.5l per person per day to cover drinking, washing, cooking etc.

But I do not think we will see a prolonged period without running water due to COVID-19. At least I hope we don't, as that would suggest the shit really has hit the fan - and it'd take more than a bit of prepping to mitigate that level of breakdown.

VenetoResident · 22/02/2020 16:11

Massive shop done - we went to a military base about 20km North - no signs of anything abnormal there. Shelves full.

Paediatrician got back to me - advises to keep DS2 away from hospital. DS2 is asthmatic, has kidney problems and a few other issues. He has sent a prescription for ABs based on DS1's recent infection and DS2's symptoms.

Feeling happier. My cold has turned sneezy. Not feeling that bad at all.

preponderings · 22/02/2020 16:21

That must be a relief Veneto glad you're feeling better and have heard from the doc.

Hope your Dd recovers quickly, whoever had their daughter in hospital. Sorry can't remember your user name.