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Lottie, it is definitely NOT a supply issue. They will take food from the bottle even if they don't need it, it is the way it is. You can over-feed a bottle fed baby, you can't a breastfed one. Babies will take more than they need from the bottle. If you are getting milk while expressing, then there is definitely NOT NOT NOT a supply issue. please re-think the bottles. Sorry if this seems a little harsh. I was helping someone recently with their baby, the baby was fussing at the breast, not feeding properly. The baby would not settle. She was trying to feed in the normal hold, but no matter which breast the baby was fussing. So I told her to put the baby in the rugby hold, and suddenly.... there the baby fed perfectly...... moral of the story, some babies just fuss for no reason, but by switching to something new, they might co-operate. Your two might be hungry for the 5 mins, then fussing, perhaps they want some mummy time? I would try not feeding them once they have had a good 5 min breast feed, they need to just have other options at that time. Feel free to disagree with me, but it does sound like they are just changing their routines. Sucking furiously is more of a comfort thing than necessarily a hunger thing..... keep this in mind and find the dummies!

Lottie - suddenly thought of another thing that could be happening. Babies like the easy route to food, ie bottles. They don't like working for food. It could be that they are developing a habit of yelling to get the bottle. With the first 5 mins they would be getting alot of nice sweet tasting easy drinking foremilk. After 5 minutes the hindmilk arrives, it is not as easy to get and does not taste as sweet. So they might just be yelling for more of the nice foremilk. unfortunately the only way to deal with this issue is to leave them til they are hungry enough to take a full feed and not offer bottles...... a tough thing for you to contemplate. So overall, I would suggest that you start spacing out their feeds so that they are hungry enough just to feed from you. Resist the temptation during the day to give them bottles. It will only fill their tummys but not actually help regulate your supply. I could never express the amount that you are getting, so supply is not an issue for you. But you do need to trust that they will take from your breasts what they need and that any comfort suckling that they do can be done with dummies and a cuddle. At the age they are now, 4 hours between daytime feeds is perfectly acceptable and a 10 minute feed could well be all they need, anything longer than 20 mins and they will be probrably be suckling rather than feeding.

Lottie - I wonder like Raingow whether if you tried to let them lead you on feeding times, you would actually get more rest? Just a thought - particularly for the night feed - why wake yourself up to feed them, if they are asleep? If you feed them before they are ready for food, they may only "snack" and therefore be hungry sooner than if you left them longer in the first place and so had a good feed. However, I'd imagine that this is great advice for one baby, but you can't leave 2 until they are too hungry, unless you can feed them together easily as then whoever is not getting fed, will probably be inconsolable waiting for their turn!

So very tricky - I'm still so completely in awe of you, of how well you are taking to motherhood when you have been thrown into the deep end with two at once!!!

Hope you sleep very well (And so do the girls!!).

Rainbow - so sorry to hear about the spotting _ I hope it is nothing and you are still feeling nauseous!

And, just in case anyone doesn't want to know who killed Archie - look away now!

It was Stacey, Rainbow!!
xxx

Lottie - oh your naughty little monkey's getting out of sync on you, hope they sort their rhythm out today. Have you tried giving them anything for the wind and colic yet?

I am just back from the early pregnancy unit, where it was a waste of time. The doc could not get a decent picture on the scan and so we are no further knowing whether the cramps and bleeding are anything to be concerned about or not. I have to go back tomorrow morning to the EPU again for another scan.

Lottie.

It is so easy for us sitting at home way past these hard first few weeks to give unwanted advice but It sounds so like what I has to deal with dd. I hate to say it lasted with her til about 16weeks starting around a similar time tonyou now. Can u try and see if doctor will prescribe u some infant gaviscon. If I still had some I'd post it to you to at least try. Have u tried propping up their mattresses so they are sleeping more upright? Helps with reflux. Also if they prefer to sleep on their sides that's what I had to do with toby as he wouldn settle on his back.

The other thing I almost resorted to as u wud have tried anything was cutting my own dairy intake in case it was a milk intolerance in her. Personally infacol did nothing for dd just made her more sick! There was something I found just as she got better but I can't remember what it was called. I'll try looking it up later when I cab get on proper computer - on my phone at the moment.

Wish I could come and give you a hand. Hang it there. I'm sure it is just a phase and it won't last forever!

This thread is getting unmanageable on my phone bit just wanted to say to lottie that they will no doubt be fine with babysitter. Babies are great at crying when mummy is around but being fine with other people! I found with dd during her screaming phase that just getting ou if the house for a walk anything made her calm down and noone could believe she was hard work as she was happy when not at home. I thought she might be allergic to downstairs of house for a while!!!

My hv thought I was stressing her put more as u was si stressed and they pick up in everything. There mat have been some truth in that which you should prob be aware of. But I'm sure you're being v calm and relaxed with them - I certainly got v frustrated at times during feeds with her when she refused to latch on and just lashed around screaming!! Horrible. I really feel for toy with two on the go.

Must work
Rainbow fingers crossed tomorrow is more
conclusive!!

Lottie - it is not that they are hungry, but they are clearly uncomfortable. Have you got boncy chairs, that keep them slightly upright, but with some gentle movement? I really think like fettle has said that a trip to the doctors is in order here, to get some relief from the wind for them. The best stuff in the world is "gripe water" in my mind. Could you get someone from the uk to post you a selection of things to try, gripe-water, infant gavison and infacol? They are so easily accessible here, I am surprised there is not something equivalent where you are. Eve especially, if the laying on her tummy on your lap worked, it does sound so much like wind/colic issues. The good news it that by 12 weeks they will have out-grown it, but the problem is how to get yourself through the next couple of weeks.

In order to help the sleep issue, it might be an idea to avoid offering food inbetween the 4-hourly gap between feeds, as it will just give them brief top-ups with foremilk and not help them be hungry enough to feed and get the hind milk. My neighbour had this issue, was feeding very frequently and it was causing the baby not to get full enough to sleep long, so it spiralled into a feed every two hours day and night. It was only when she started spacing the feeds that she got more rest and the baby fed better at the feed and then slept for longer.

I hope you don't mind me saying these things?

My bleeding is just slight spotting again now. So I am trying to stay hopeful.

Lottie - one twin mum recommended these bottles for feeding twins and helping with colic issues etc. I have no experience of them, but they said they were great.

Hi girls - finally got on the proper computer! DD was attached to it for most of the afternoon!

I apologise for the typing errors in my earlier posts - I find it hard to correct when I'm on my phone and for some reason when I try to put "I", it turns it into "u", so when I say "u" Lottie, I actually mean "me"!!!!

Anyway, stuff I was thinking of was colief - never used it, but it was recommended as better and more effective than infacol.

I really hope it does better soon for you - I have no idea how mothers to twins cope anyway, without dealing with these issues too!

Anyway, onto my me-me-me post....I'm still in a quandry about whether to sell or let when we move especially as we had an unofficial viewing on Saturday from someone interested in next door (which currently has 3 couples very interested with offers on the table), and they loved our house so much they pretty much put a good (But not quite high enough) offer in there and then! I just don't know what I want to do - I don't know if we are going to come back here, I don't know where we are going to be in 14 months, let alone if or when we might put down roots again. DH isn't (obviously) in the right frame of mind for making any decisions at the moment - but a quick easy sell does seem a very good option to avoid the hassle of dealing with letting out a house while not living near-by. ARRGH - I have too much to think about - can't wait until April 21st, when DH should be safely home, I'll be a qualified reflexologist (hopefully), DD will be 3 days into her new school and we'll be pretty much unpacked of our moving boxes - so much to think about (have I said that before?.....!).

Best go to sleep and try to relax a bit!!!

xxx

Hope everyone else had a good half-term?

Hi ladies! Just doing a post-holiday catch up... Sorry to hear that the girls are being a bit up and down Lottie - hopefully some of the good advise from the other girls is helping? Is must be so so hard at this stage with twins. Its at the point where all the new-mum happy hormones are dropping and you're getting tired and babies seem to have a wierd spell. It absolutley without a doubt will get better and it sounds like are managing as well as anyone could hope. Fingers crossed the 'good' days start outweighing the bad.

How are you today rainbow? Have you spotted in PG before? I know several on here regularly do but not sure if you are one? Hope its all going well and you get great news at your next scan... Is that today?

Fettle - Its such a tricky one as its hard to know what decision will give you the best outcome isn't it... What are the chances of you moving back to that area and if you did would you be keen to move back to the particular part you're in now? I reckon it may well be a welcome weight off your mind if you did sell, especially as you are going to have so much to deal with when you've moved and DH is back... new schools, new job... Perhaps you could do without thinking about your old house as well .

Hi Honey - hows things? How are your gang getting on?

Where are you off to now Greedy!? I saw your facebook post about trying to book somewhere?

Hi to everyone else - hope you're all well and enjoyed the half term break! Ours was brilliant . We did our driving tour round friends in and around London and had a ball... the boys were so well behaved and didn't play up at all despite the upheaval and staying in peoples houses for 8 nights. They even both slept well - must do that more often! . The only slight sad part for me was seeing how wonderful they were with my friends babies, they were so gentle and attentive and loved entertaining the wee ones... It made me a bit about the miscarriage and that they probably would have enjoyed a baby in the house.

All in all though- very enjoyable but now back to reality - not foe too long though as we're off to Euro Disney in 3 weeks !!!!! Yippeeee! .

Lottie. Glad you've had a good day. I'd say not being restricted will be better for them. Also you'll be more relaxed lying down so your milk will flow better and they will feed better and so on.... Love the german language!!!

Interesting that for every sell I get a let too!! Goes to show that there is no right nor wrong answer!! Anyway they've upped the offer by £5000 to £5000 under the asking price and £10000 more than next door is currently under offer at. We bought ours for £20000 less than next door so haven't done badly in current market. There is practically no chain in our sell and estate agent fees and hip costs have been massively reduced by agent so other than our early redemption on our mortgage it does seem a good offer. Just need to get dh on a good day when he can make a life changing decision!! He's not really with me at the moment when I speak to him. Hence Why I'm asking for your help!!

I've heard good and bad stories about letting and wonder if a 2-bed flat wud be better to let than a4-bed detached? So maybe we shud look to buy one instead until we know where we want to buy to live ourselves?

Right enough of my woes!!

Rainbow thinking of you lots. There's me worrying about trivial things when you're worrying about the worst.

Xxx

I think u made a very valid point lottie about just living in the house making it look more appealing. Works for selling too and we are unlikely o get house ready for letting til after we've moved out. Too mug to do to it that we can leave if selling such as touching up paintwork etc. Also if we try sellig at later date will be selling it empty so won't get the same reaction as we got from these buyers. But you right if we put it on open Market we may get more but I don't think much more to make much difference in agent fees reduction!

Hope twins sleep peacefully for you! Xxx

chooster so wrapped up in myself didn't say your half term sounded fab!! Sorry to hear to sad bout miscarriage but I still had sad days even after toby was born for my lost ones. I don't think you ever totally get over it. Do u think u may try for another?

Xxx

I have another little angel watching over me, or still inside me. The heartbeating two weeks ago, is now still. There was some growth in the two weeks, s/he has little arm and leg buds now, but the heart is still. I am now have gone from spotting to light bleeding so I am guessing that with stopping the progesterone now, that it will all be passed in the next couple of days. Tonight I am having a korma and glass of wine and hope that the emotional pain passes soon. If I go silent for a few days, I think you will all understand.

Lottie - I think you have it sussed with Eve, well done. Continue with the infacol for the time being too. I hope that things continue to go well for you. I will be popping back to read how things are going for you.

Oh rainbow am so so sad for you ... Just feel awful that you are going through this all again. You're always such a help to everyone on here, I just wish there was more we could do to help you now... look after yourself and your wonderful family x

Oh Rainbow - poor poor you. Take care of yourself and spoil yourself.

I agree with Chooster, you always have such great warm advice for everyone, you so deserve some extra happiness yourself.
xxx

dear rainbow- that is such heartbreaking news. Don't know what to say really . We all had such high hopes for this little one, lots of love to you and your family.

So sorry Rainbow. So very sorry. x

Rainbow - just managed to get back here for the first time in ages and have been reading through from your lovely news to the sad outcome. I am so sorry this has happened again.

Lottie - I think you're doing great. I really don't remember the boys at 10 weeks - it is a time to just get through. I have some struggles at the moment (why I don't have a chance to get on the computer) but I wouldn't repeat that first 3 months for anyone. It gets so much easier very soon.

Enjoyed catching up with everyone else too. Back at work in 10 weeks - will be able to keep up with everything again then