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rainbowdays · 13/10/2009 16:33

Sorry I could not think of an original title

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rainbowdays · 05/02/2010 21:59

OK - shock

Having had two weeks and three scans showing only 6 week sac..... including just 5 days ago.....indicating no growth...... today there was a 7 week old + heartbeat!!!!

Just shows as you give up and assume that only a miracle will work, a miracle can turn up and be there.

Sorry a very me me post, but it is the best birthday present I could have hoped for.

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Fettle · 05/02/2010 22:17

Oh rainbow that is fantastic!! Congratulations !!

And happy birthday!!!
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londonlottie · 06/02/2010 05:32

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rainbowdays · 06/02/2010 06:07

Lottie - your description of breastfeeding worries is perfect!!!!! And in case you are reading this still at the witching hour.... if your boobs are full, then YES wake your babies and feed them, for two reasons, firstly they might have a sleepy feed and still go back to sleep for you and you might still get some extra sleep. And secondly more importantly, if your boobs are too full, then you are more in danger of mastitis..... ouch, don't risk it, time to force feed the girls to relieve your boobs!!!!

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rainbowdays · 06/02/2010 06:12

Lottie - also I wanted to say, that the three hours could extend to 4 hours now the girls aare bigger, and that extra hour in between feeds feels like bliss!!!!! You are doing amazingly.

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greedygreedyguzzler · 06/02/2010 09:12

oh rainbow!!!!! i have to admit i shed a little tear when i read your post (soppy cow that i am!). i am so so pleased for you!!!! what a horrible couple of weeks for you, but now.........yippee!!!!! i bet you were so relieved!! cant believe you and minxi are both on here with no. 4s in your tummies!!! WOW WOW and double WOW!!!

lottie - you are FAB!!!!! your lucky lucky little baby girls having a mum as determined as you. It is so true what you said about not knowing what its like until you have done it. I feel like that with the whole giving birth experience too, and when i try to explain it to people who don't have children i realise they will never know what its like unless they do it themselves. Every post you write makes me broody by the way!!

ok then, on a completely different subject.............potty training. should i go for it or not with marcy? i have always doen the all or nothing GF (in one week) approach in the past, but has anyone done it in a more relaxed way? Not sure the GF approach will work with my feisty Marcy and don't really know how else to go about it. anyone got any tips for a chilled out approach to potty training..................HONEY?

best go, my patient has just turned up. busy busy day today! thank god!!!

Chooster · 06/02/2010 22:03

Hey - great news Rainbow!!!!! Thats fantastic news and I'm so pleased for you . Fingers (and everything!) crossed that this is it for you and the little one turns into a big strong one! .

It sounds like you are doing a fantastic job lottie! And great that the girls slept until 5am - hopefully things will calm down soon and you'll be getting loads more sleep and a pattern will emerge. How old are the girls now? Time is zooming by... .

Greedy, we did a relaxed approach with Max and are trying it again with Theo. Got to say it worked a treat with max and he pretty much potty trained himself but Theo is more stubborn - or lazy! Basically I just put a potty downstairs and one upstairs and I'd leave their nappies off as much as I dared and just kept suggesting that they use it and popping them on it from time to time. With Theo something usually comes out on the toilet / potty when I put him on there, its just he is equally happy peeing all over his bean bag while he sits watching telly!

How you feeling minxi?

Hope all the ladies comments have helped ready

greedygreedyguzzler · 07/02/2010 09:52

chooster - I'm not great with poo and wee and luckily Ellis and Kiki have only ever had about 3 accidents between them (cue my 6 yr old boy having one today!!) and we have NEVER had a wet bed either (cue my 5 yr old girl wetting the bed tonight!) ANYWAY, not sure I can risk Marcy pooing everywhere, she does seem to poo a lot! think i might just leave her in nappies till she is 12! I have just started getting comments from people, cos she looks so old I think, and it's making me feel a bit lazy like I can't be arsed to do it (which I can't!!)

oh well! i am in work waiting for an emergency patient..............never seen anyone on a sunday before, but i can tturn people away at the moment.............trying to think how much i can get away with charging for a sunday call out?

Chooster · 07/02/2010 10:10

Oh emergency call out is big bucks surely - hope its a quick job and you're home soon...

I'm not so bad with poo and wee so dont mind the odd accident. I know what you mean about just not being arsed about doing anything! Theo is 3 in july so i really need to pull my finger out and do something! He's kind of got it but because I'm so relaxed about trying to make it more definate, I just think he's happy doing a bit or toilet / bit of nappy. With DS1 I was reading all the books etc - amazing the difference when you have a second / third etc...

greedygreedyguzzler · 07/02/2010 10:51

chooster - you say its amazing the difference when you get to no. 2 but i was still really anal when i did kiki, its only now i cant be arsed......(all those bum words are very apt!) i reckon when i ACTUALLY start with marcy i will be just as anal as ever!!!
just finished my patient in super quick time, but only charged normal amount cos i am too soft!

Fettle · 07/02/2010 16:19

Argh - potty training!! Toby is showing no signs at all of being ready - every so often I ask him if he wants to do a wee on the potty and twice now he has done, but not at any other attempt. We had a couple of days of wearing pull up pants at his instigation, but on day 3, he wanted a nappy back on, as he was Mummy's baby! Not quite sure what to do, but thought I'd wait until the summer and hope for a good summer with lots of naked running around the garden! DD did it practically by herself with some help from full-time nursery around her 2nd birthday, so quite different this time around. But then he's firmly attached to his cot still and I'm in no hurry to move him from that and I don't mind changing nappies.

Greedy - can't believe we were so close yesterday!! PRobably past eachother on the way in and out.

Lottie as the others have said, I think you are doing a fabulous job. None of us here have had to do the whole feeding malarky with 2 babies and you seem to be taking it all in your stride. Those worries you mentioned are entirely normal and I too had them! I know very pro-breast feeders always push breast-feeding to the limit, but my feeling is that both mother and baby(ies) need to be happy for it to be the best for everyone. However, it sounds to me as if you are doing fine and the odd bottle of formula is necessary for your sanity and health I would think. Maybe you should give a bottle in the early evenings, as I seem to remember that this was when my supply was the lowest and DD especially used to fuss loads as she was hungry, but never seemed to actually settle down and take it, so frustrating, but it was only a stage and we moved through that and onto the next one (equally annoying, I'm sure!!).
ps Babies do take over your life I'm afraid, but it is so worth it, don't you think. Have they smiled at you yet? That makes everything worthwhile I think - especially in the middle of the night, when you shouldn't really be giving them eye contact!

Right - just back from a weekend in London and I left the house in chaos, so best try and sort it, or else it will be depressing on Monday morning.

Take care all
xxx

greedygreedyguzzler · 07/02/2010 21:50

i know fettle! and it seems weird talking to you on here and on facebook, sometimes its like you actually ARE a real person!

londonlottie · 08/02/2010 04:25

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Fettle · 08/02/2010 10:42

Nope Greedy- I'm definitely a figment of your imagination, an on-line ghost who doesn't eat or drink....... Can't believe we missed a really easy(ish) place to at least meet and say hello. Although my sis was pretty grumpy as she was tired and in pain, due to cramped seating with her leg in a splint. We should have asked about disabled seating for her, but she didn't want to cause a fuss! She enjoyed the show though,so it was worth it, but she had walk a long way unable to bend one leg - no wonder she was so tired by the end of it!

Lottie - could it be that age-old colic that the girls have? My babies always used to feed practically all evening for one reason or another - it is frustrating, but I promise it is a phase and it will pass (only to be replaced something different to worry consider. Sounds as if you are doing brilliantly though Keep at it!

Must go - have a friend coming round to have her feet done - really wish some of you lived nearer, I'm running out of people to do and I still have 20 odd to do before I finished my course in 5 weeks, and that's on top of revising for the actual exam!! And I have to get ready to move house in 9 weeks and I've just discovered a hole in my very expensive kitchen floor and my washing machine has been leaking and I'm too scared to go and check on it to see if the plumber mended it properly on Friday.....(£25 for a 2 min job!!!!!!!!!!!, if DH had been home he could have done it - feel I should bill Gordon Brown on Expenses, some MPs got away with less!!!!). Can you tell I'm not having the bestest of days, but something must be wrong as I'm actually coping with all ok (perhaps this how normal people cope?), normally I'd be in floods of tears! I think it may have taken a year for my coil hormones to finally have cleared my system, as I do feel a lot more in control at the moment. Hope it lasts............

byeeeeeeeeee....

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rainbowdays · 08/02/2010 12:42

Lottie - this is total plagerism from this thread! But perhaps it might help as it does sound like you have a colic issue as fettle said????

Colic starts within the first week of life and is characterised by regular,
nightly crying bouts between about 5pm and 10pm and then again between 2-3am
and 4-5am. The baby draws up his legs and appears to be in pain. Suckling
and rocking appear to help for short burts but nothing gets the baby to
sleep for long, until the end of that particular colic bout when baby falls
soundly asleep.

Colic is caused by high blood levels of certain hormones that make smooth
muscle contract. These hormones are ciculating in all of us and peak daily
between 5pm and 10pm and 2 -5 am (bingo!) Gut is made of smooth muscle and
so you can see how the pattern emerges. Now... breastmilk contains
endorphins which RELAX smooth muscle and so the picture a mum typically sees
is... baby in pain with gut contractions; baby thinks "tummy hurts and so I
must need to suckle agian"; baby suckles and receives endorphin-rich milk;
baby's gut relaxes; baby stops suckling; endorphin level drops over about
10-20 minutes; gut contractions return; baby thinks "Oooh! Tummy hurts and
so I must need to suckle again", and so on and so forth. It is easy to see
how mums think that somehow their breastmilk is actually causing the problem
whereas, really, the baby is self-medicating on endorphins.

Now, how to deal with the problem. Firstly, it can help to know that there
is no cure; just coping strategies until baby learns to ignore and cope with
these routine churnings. Next, it is useful to remember that colic is
definitely not caused by wind or foods (with a couple of notable exceptions,
for which, see later) seeping into the milk. In fact, all the weird and
wonderful ideas put forward really don't bear scrutiny: air cannot enter the
milk (if this happened, mum would die quite quickly!); breastmilk cannot
become acidic due to overeating, for instance, oranges (if this happened,
the mum would die just as quickly!!). The trick is to keep endorphin levels
as high as possible. Now, human milk contains endorphins so, breastfeeding
will always be the most obvious solution, and you cannot put the baby to the
breast too often. Also, you can do things that will stimulate baby to
produce his own endorphins: massage; skin-to-skin; rocking and jiggling; car
rides; warmth (either with swaddling or a bath), and stimulating his senses
with certain white noises such as the hoover! Just remember that endorphins
have a very short half-life, so nothing works for more than 10 - 20 minutes.

Trying to cure baby of his colic is like trying to cure him of being a baby.
He will grow out of it at about 3 months no matter what you do (everything
or nothing). Of course, if you try different remedies, whichever one you are
trying when baby is 3 months old will be hailed as a miracle cure and you
will urge all your friends to try it!!

Some great news about colic is that it is protective against SIDS and tends
to badly affect the brighter, more sociable babies (Hurrah!). Also, it is
more obvious in the atopic baby. If you have eczema, asthma, hayfever or
migraines on either side of the family, then your baby will be more severely
affected and will almost certainly be sensitive to dairy. To this end, given
that tiny dairy protein molecules can enter the milk and upset sensitive,
atopic babies, cutting out all dairy in your diet can cut down the severity
of the colic bouts. Some people also find that cutting out caffeine and/or
alcohol can help as both of these cross the bloo/brain barrier and so,
obviously can reach the milk. Don't let this make you think that other food
stuffs can enter the milk (typical "bad foods" people blame are onions,
oranges, grapes, curry, garlic and most other foods that we really, really
love) There is solid and plentiful evidence to refute this. If anyone
suggests cutting out foods, ask them to explain the precise process by which
the food gets into the milk. I find that they usually gaze at the sky for a
while and then gradually realise that onions just aren't capable of this
marvellous feat!

Your colicky baby will almost certainly turn into an outgoing, physically
active baby (the more severe the colic, the more the baby is likely to fit
this personality type) who is an utter delight to mother (although you'll
need your wits around you as the little trouper raids every cupboard in
sight!) There is light at the end of the tunnel - best to batten down the
hatches for 3 months and emerge when the storm has passed and the sun is
shining!

Hope this helps and please feel free to copy this off for desperate mums and
dads.

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rainbowdays · 08/02/2010 12:55

Greedy - don't bother with potty training yet, just wait til Marcy is ready. I started at 2.5 with both of my first two and neither were trained before 4.5, I tried every trick in the book before giving up and it just happened by themselves. Dry nappies for extended periods, gave the clue that they might be ready for potty training when it came to it. This time Jak is trying to copy the older ones, so likes to go on the toilet, and does wee or poo every time he is on there, so he knows what to do, but I am not making the same mistake again, and I am leaving it til he is really ready for training then will just go for it. No point in stressing Marcy or yourself if she is not ready to potty train yet! That's what I think anyway!

Fettle - you must have had a great time with your dh, you sound so chilled out at the moment!

Well I have managed to hurt my back, last night got no sleep, I have a cough that will not go away and now muscles in spasm. So if I lay down I started coughing too much, if I sat up, my back was in agony. so no way to get sleep. ARRGGGGG. Anyway, doc has given me steroids for cough and painkillers for back, hope that I can get some sleep later.

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minxi · 08/02/2010 15:18

I'm still very poorly with this stomach virus

Hoep everyone else ok will be back when can x

honeyapple · 09/02/2010 12:28

afternoon all

minxi- hope you feeling better today.

potty training! ha! I am definitely not doing anything about that until the summer.
Greedy- tell those silly people that Marcy is only 2 FFS! There is no point trying to potty train until a child is ready- vocally as well as physically. Far too many things to be thinking about!

Fettle- i forgot to say about my buggy on ebay- silly moo never paid for it- 2 weeks went by and I gave up so have relisted it. I have currently 16 watchers- so hopefully this time i will actually sell it! Seriously boring. The woman who won didnt contact me for over a week, despite me emailing her several times, so I opened a case against her and then she did email me and said she didnt have a paypal account and would let me know when she could come and get it- anyway heard nothing from her again- so i gave up.
Has rather put me off selling on ebay.

Got a tutu dilemma at the moment! DD is doing another festival and we have a slight tutu problem- ie NO tutu. She is dancing on monday.... I was supposed to be getting one off another mum- but it is too small- so I am now waiting to see if someone else has got one she can have/borrow...Infact I better ring her teacher now...

Bye!

iamamummy · 09/02/2010 14:19

honeyapple - we used to run a business on ebay and gave it up purely for the fact of dealing with time wasters and also extortionate ebay fee increases....anyway, what i used to do is if you fill out a form through ebay you can get the buyers personal details ie phone number. i used to hound the people on the phone rather than contact through email as they can so easily be ignored.
just a thought anyway.

will be back soon, we are all full of cold here but getting on really well with dp, we had a mini chat and he has been helping out so so much more and it certainly makes a difference with the children.

love to all x

Fettle · 09/02/2010 19:52

Honey/Iamamummy - I'm not going to be selling things on ebay again in a hurry - this latest bout has been far more hassle than it's been worth! We were quite successful with our cars, but smaller items, just aren't worth it!

Iamamummy - I'm glad that things are a bit better for you with DP - that is great news!

Rainbow - hope is ok with you? Are you allowing yourself to feel a little bit positive and hopeful?

Got my reflexology course tomorrow with my mock practical, so I'd better do a bit of revising!

hope everyone it ok?
xxx

greedygreedyguzzler · 10/02/2010 16:43

hi everyone. think i have probably done this before, but it has come up again recently in converstion and i have started worrying again! anyone with boys please see my thread here if you have any answers!

honeyapple · 10/02/2010 17:24

well i have answered your thread!

fettle- i dont think i will be rushing to sell anything again on ebay! Got a lot of interest again with the buggy (even someone in spain asking about postage )- forgot to put the buy it now price on- so will see what it goes for...

Fettle · 10/02/2010 20:25

Can't help you Greedy I'm afraid - although I've not really noticed that in Toby yet, but he's only 2 - many years to go!!

Honey - my e-bay saga is finally over (I hope!). I've refunded my grumpy buyer and received the dress back, payed my e-bay fees and transferred from paypal into my account what seems a reasonable about of money now (except I've forgotten how much I've spent of that already on postage!). Definitely won't be doing it again in a hurry!

Good luck with your pram!

Chooster · 11/02/2010 21:37

Hi, just a 'hi' and 'bye' from me as we are off on hols tomorrow and SOOOO much to do - why oh why do I leave so much to the last minute!

Hope you all get your e-bay saga's sorted... we had an issue as well recently when we sold a buggy and the recipient said it never arrived but we had prrof it was delivered... anyway it went on for what seemed like an eternity!

I'm sure its nothing to worry about greedy, have you googled and had any joy? Both my boys have noticeable erections and DS1 particularly pulls his in all sorts of eye watering directions when its hard. He's still very proud to show me when it does it which I'm sure will wear off soon . Maybe some boys just have them and some dont at this age . Really not sure...

Hope you all have a fab week!

Chooster · 11/02/2010 21:38

ps, so pleased you and DP are getting on better iamamummy - makes such a difference!

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