The Roaring 40s- We're a bunch of old windbags!

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Tee I use Sainsbury's especially when I get free delivery or money-off vouchers. They were 5 mins late last time and handed me another £10 off voucher! Always fine, occasionally too many substitutions (unlike Ocado who have a central dept, Sains deliver from the largest local store) but you can always refuse them.

Still not quite as good as Ocado, who send you a text telling you the reg of the vehicle and name of driver they'll send. But not as expensive too.

(Ooh, got a £10 off voucher from them today, must go and do a list )

neddie on the home straight I remember when my mum had my twin sisters. I was 14. My life was never the same again

At least you can get everything sorted out and have OH on home and organised

tee I've not used Sainsbogs for home delivery but I do use Tesco and had no problems. Mebbe it's a local problem? I've had ASDA though and they are swines for substituting or not having an item. AND they give you something you totally wouldn't want and isn't connected to what you ordered. Again, could be a local problem.

Today K has had 2 x yoghurts, half a bag of sweetcorn rings (organix), 2 potato wedges, 1 slice of carrot and 4 x 5oz bottles of milk. It's not a lot and I dunno how she's managing to zip around like a dynamo on such a small amount.

We had a copy of the letter from the old age cardiologist we saw and it's very detailed. Most unlike what we normally get (i.e. nothing) It seems that her duct is slightly closing by itself but not enough to say it's gonna go all the way. Still, we're not there again until Jan/Feb 2010 so who knows?

Anyone watching Panorama and drunken Oldham? I've been out in that pandemonium; once. By 1 am it was like a scene from the Crimea with men (see boys) walking around soaked in blood, holding hankies to their bleeding heads. The women all squatting in the street having a pee.........I'm so glad I don't go out.

we use tesco - never had a problem. well except once when I ordered from my account instead of DP's and the groceries went to my old address... not really their fault tho..

speaking of tesco just been on ordering the stairgates plus one for the kitchen doorway - the time has come D is 11 months tomorrow. Has gone so fast - it is unbelievable.

neddie it I hope the remaining time goes fast and easy -sounds like a like mare you're having (no pun intended )

our first lot of twins - we are fast running out of new babies ladies and at this rate will soon have no excuse to linger on the pregnancy threads! I would offer to do the honours myself but am feeling so rough at the moment I am wondering whether I am cut out for it again. S'quite depressing really...

where has hedgepig got to?

always forget something . meant to say jw feb is along way off and that duct might close of its own accord yet...

Neddies am currently hankering for one of the 3 stitchers they use for underwear and dance wear but can't think of the name right now! However, thinking of you blossom am sending thoughts to reach your due date!

FingersAndToesCrossedTiggaxx

Hello Hello Hello! I'm here (furious paw waving). Got back last night all relaxed for at least and hr or so. I'm now stressed trying to organise a birthday party for B who will be 6 on the 28th Aug, I can't believe he will be 6 it is so grown up.

Neddie not long , I don't suppose there is any point in me trying to persuade you to put back the cs 'til the 1st September so the DTs get into the next school year is there .

JW at least K heart isn't getting any worse and it sounds like it may be getting a bit better (fingers crossed)

re new babies- Well, I'm 39 weeks today and mine could be anything up to 2 weeks "late", so could be any time now until 31st August for this one. Neddie's two might still make it before mine!

Oh I'm gonna start a book on who is gonna be first

Welcome back hedgepig We missed ya Hope you all had a fab break.

I did ask the cardiologist lady what the chances were of it closing by itself and she said very small. So small she doubted it very much. But I wasn't sure what to think to that as she then followed it with 'the bigger she grows, the greater the chance'. So not sure if that's a yes or a no.

mrsb welcome to the stair gate club. Ours has been up a week and it's a pain in the bum having to get through the little swinging bit, especially when you're carrying something (see 'wriggly baby') I know we're gonna need another one at last for the bottom of the stairs. And yes, D is nearly one! Then it's O's turn! Blimey. It's gone fast. I'm still working on two ages here; actual and corrected - which I've been told off for doing by the paediatrician. However, she is doing what 11 month olds do and not what 15 month olds do so it makes more sense to me.

I've just finished watching a prog on Beeb2 called 'the trouble with girls'. Three teenage girls in Rochdale. Oh my effing gawd, how depressing. I feel very lucky after seeing that.

cripes JW Drs do talk nonsense a lot of the time the good thing is she is well and that's all the matters for now. How is the enforced stsying at home going.

We put our upstairs stairgate on a few weeks ago, since we are domestically hopeless the fittings were still attached to the wall for when we had them up for B so it was easy.

O had his 1st visit to nursery today, wobbly bottom lip from mummy, for this 1st one I stayed in the room with him. He like the toys but wasn't keen on sitting on any of the girls laps, another one on Weds where I leave the room and have a cup of tea in the office gulp!

oh after I left D that first time I went home and cried and cried. Felt so bloody sorry for meself I did.

jw I watched that it made me so sad. Formula is dried breast milk. Another cycle to perpetuate itself. And the mother and older sister smoking near the pregnant girl

The only thing I can say is:

Education, education, education.

Still for some I'm not sure that's enough.

WouldLikeA'Chat'WithTheParentsTiggaxx

Formula is dried breast milk . News to me.

Yup the other night was a fluke. Or he liked Daddy better. Because last night back to up twice. Including at 5:10 to have 20 mls and doze off and on for the next 2 hours.

Welcome home hedgepig!! I dread leaving A at nursery, if I decide to go back to work.

The inevitable happened today and a girl I have been avoiding sent me a friend's request on FB. I have ignored it. BTW she is 40 but still acts 22, hence the 'girl'.

Morning ladies.

hedgepig hello and good to have you back. Bet you want to go away again eh! OOoo the first nursery visit...bless...well, at least he liked the toys.

jw glad I didn't watch that programme - I'd have just been shouting at the telly Thanks for that link on FB to those booties - I think they'll be great for Verity on helping her with her grip. Adult sizes too

dawntigga yep - I reckon many of us would like a word with the parents. Sad thing is education is available to them but they don't place any value on it - they can't see the use. At least when my family where in the SE London slums they all knew the only way out was education. Only got to look at the parents of Baby P......you just realise the magnitiude of stupidity that many adults carry about with them; they've clearly got the mental age of about a 12 year old yet are walking around as adults. They're essentially adults with adult responsibilities yet they have the mind of a child

On a lighter note - how was everyone elses night? mrsB how are you feeling?

Morning ladies!

dawntigga that line about her thinking that formula was dried breast milk made me feel so sad. Those types of family are self perpetuating. The babies of those two girls will be just the same as the mothers (99% probability). Evidently, none of the people in that programme had ever visited a dentist either. Vile. Bad front teeth at 16

All the way through watching, my DD#1 was texting me say 'oh my god how awful are they? But as I pointed out to her, there are many, many families/girls that live like that.

Myself, I can never work out why their houses are always in a constant state of chaos.

JJ those socks/moccasins are fab. I've got 3 pairs for K now. The soles are washable leather so they give a good grip but are more sock like and don't constrict their toes and feet.

hedgepig hard one taking them to nursery but all of my older ones went and all loved it. Also makes the transition to school much easier I think. No tears on first day in reception from any of mine! I wish K could go but it's a non starter at the mo.

Funny how we're all doing stair gates. Must be a phase. Wonder what the next one is? Buying shoes????

OOOOoooooo....OOOOOOOOoooo...OOOOOOOOoooo
STOP PRESS: FINALLY, Verity pulled herself up to standing. HAhahahahah only taken almost 15mths! Mind you - she was after my purse

jw I wonder if their houses are always in constant chaos because they're like teenagers?

Off to mates house for a cuppa with the girls. Am also contemplating cooking something with Iris...I'm thinking biscuits...safe bet?

Well done Verity!!!!

I meant to say thanks for the delivery info, gang. I've pretty much decided to stop having deliveries at all. Gives A and I a way to be sure we are out of the house at least every other day!

Still sending letter to Tesco, however.

Glad I didn't watch that prog; sounds v depressing. It's why I don't go into Argos in town. Which sounds purely like snobbery, but that's not what I mean at all - I'll happily have a chat with anyone, from anywhere, with any accent, in or out of any job, and consider us equals. But there are people you just couldn't have a chat with because they're not operating on the sort of social level most people take as read. And if that's how they've brought their kids up, and if school and general society haven't managed to make a difference to them, it is pretty hopeless .

Hedge be brave and be sure that even if LO does have a wobble, chances are that as soon as you leave all will be well. My DS wailed every time I left him for about the first year, just to make sure I didn't forget him and a quick peep through the window showed him playing happily, the monkey. Look at mrsB who boldly went to nursery with baby D not long ago and doesn't weep every time she leaves him now

JJ Yay to Verity's perpendicularity. As someone who didn't walk till 16 months I thoroughly approve of only moving when you have to

Arthur was an uncharacteristically whingey baby all yesterday evening - just wouldn't be put down to sleep - and I ended up feeding him lying down in bed at 12.30. He slept till 6.20 which was a relief.

And we have our lovely shiny Zafira and sold DH's car to a woman last night

Must shower have good days all

JJ you are now entering the Shoe Phase.....we hope you enjoy your stay.

ermintrude I too have boycotted Argos. Last time I went in there, 2 girls (with babies, natch) were fighting and the police turned up. I'd rather pay an extra few pounds and avoid the freak show.

mornin' all

off sick again today- I swear I have now had more sick leave since D went back than in my entire career to date. not good but can't be helped. feel less feverish today so hopefully will be back tomorrow.

I love those booties too and saw something similar on the Bambino goodies site but won't be buying any for D until the weather gets a bit cooler. He'd only pull them off now.

way to go V! she is obviously intending to be a lady of leisure but will shift herself if mummy's plastic is in sight...

I admit I do still feel the odd tug of the heart strings when I leave D at nursery but only if he screws up his eyes and looks like he might be about to cry - which is rare. He loves it.Yesterday he spent the entire day with another little boy of the same age and both of them were pulling them selves up to standing and sitting back down over and over again (he was in bed at 7pm!! )

I have to agree it seems to be good for him as he is already very sociable.

Our Argos isn't actually that bad - I reluctantly have to make the odd foray in there as DP wants to look at freeview boxes or suchlike and its generally almost deserted. Perhaps the underclass of York buys its Playboy jewellery elsewhere

good luck with the new Zaphira ermintrude

My mum grew up in the London slums in the 1920s and was taught to read before she went to school by her brother and sisters. Those were the days... How things have changed.

I think, tabitha, that the Bethnal Green type era that you're talking about now is very different, community wise, than the underclass we're talking about. (pops her sociologist hat on - only time she ever uses her degree). The pre-war slums were very family orientated and had community spirit. I don't see that now. I see the Karen Matthews type people who are in for what they can get and sod the rest. Even better still, see what you can get out of the system as it's there to be screwed. I apologise in advance for putting my Daily Mail viewpoints across!

mrsb is it worth have a thorough check up with your GP on why you're getting all these bugs? Do you think your immune system is a bit low since having D?

I think those Mocci's are on the bambino goodies website although couldn't swear to it.

I'm trying out a new hairdressers this week. I'm going to the one my DD#1 uses so I have to go in today for a skin test as I'm having a colour. I've never had to have a 24 hour skin test before but they assure me they have to do it otherwise they are not covered by their insurance. My old hairdresser just used to plonk it on and wander off So, am booked in tomorrow for cut and colour unless my head swells to the size of a beach ball overnight.

I think its just every thing that D is picking up in the nursery being passed onto us -DP is catching them as well. Am going to have to stock up on vitamins and suchlike.

I read an interesting thing when the Karen Matthews case was going on - it said that those types of people are able to live the way they do because they don't work or go out into the wider world to mix with people against whose lives they could compare their own. So, sitting all day watching Jeremy Kyle and smoking spliffs and drinking cans of lager while your kids have nothing to eat is acceptable because that's what everyone in their circle does to a greater or lesser degree or at least no-one will say anything to you for doing it.

Our Argos isn't that bad either.....it's a bit too upmarket for here....there are pound shops to shoot one an another in

erm enjoy the Zafira....going anywhere nice in it? Forest Fields? St Anns, Hyson Green? a nice quick tour of under-belly of Notts

mrsB kiddies really are germ-spreaders...I can believe that about the time off work. DP said the same the other day; that he's never had so much time off or gone to a job feeling dead in his boots. Hope you feel better soon.

tab Are we related?????

I agree with you jw my family echos tab's story. Without wanting to sound extreemist/facist/hostile but it seems that we've gone past a 'happy balance' with the benefit system. Those who need it find it hard to access and prove to be easy targets for being denied it. Sad.

All my Dad's brothers (and himself) were successful....two died millionaires on paper. All had good careers built up through apprenticeships and all did better than their parents. I suppose if you look at that from a parenting perspective then they way exceeded what most middle class pushy parents want for their children. It angers me to think though that in today's society social mobility is going backwards

Again - on a less DM note. jw here's hoping you don't get a water-melon head and the cut and colour is go, go, go

What a life eh? Btw that's exactly the mind set of DSS's mother and her family. And that is how they live. They go nowhere and never have worked. All they know is what is happening around them on the estate where they live.

mrsb have you tried these? Myself and DH have been taking them and not had any colds for a while - watch me get one tomorrow now I've typed it! Apparently, most of your immunity comes from your gut. I'm thinking of going to the Solgar stuff though and then the children can have it too.

Off to get hair tested and meet DD#1 for lunch. C'est la vie!