The "4 weeks and bricking it" lounge.

[Thandeka]

Hello,
Me and Wasabipeanut thought a specific thread for people in our boat may be nice- as lovely as the knicker checkers thread is and great support but a lot of the lovely knicker checkers are past the evil first trimester and for those of us that have just found out we are pregnant again post MC we thought it might be nice for us to have a sub lounge to huddle in and support each other in these very early stages where in a way we are still in denial about this pregnancy!

We don't have to post due dates or anything scary like that, just more a place to wobble with people going through it at same time.

So I will be only 4 weeks tommorrow and 40 days ago tommorrow I had an MMC at 10 weeks but emby died at 6/7 weeks. So am going to be petrified basically for at least the next 8 weeks and would love some handholding- especially as this time I am not telling anybody except DH and best mate. Parents need not know.

jardins hello, you really are going through the mill with all this worry, no wonder you aren't sleeping! At least your daughter is coming home so that hopefully will give you some cheer. One thing the doctor did say to me, which I am not necessarily sure of (I haven't googled yet!) is that she said that statistically your chances of having a Down Syndrome baby after having other healthy children is half (like I said I hadn't heard that before and I haven't researched this fact). She also mentioned that although you are going to do all these tests they only identify one syndrome there are many others (am not sure if she meant to scare or comfort me!), however she says nature often takes care of these things . My doctor is a lovely sweet lady who is also very practical. My DH is against testing so I think I have been swayed by them both. I am happy with my decision though not to continue testing I figure that if there is anything major wrong we will find out at the next big scan. I am hoping we have been through enough so far this year and that all will be well. So jardins sorry a big ramble ... but you will get your results soon and hopefully that will be the end for you. As you have seen on one of the other threads mowmi got a 1:2 chance before her amnio and was still given the all clear. So there is plenty of hope for all of us. By the way 40 isn't old don't listen to the docs. My dad tells me 70 is the new 50!

You're so lovely HappyBump. Thanks for your kind post. I sometimes feel too much information is a dangerous thing. The genetics specialist was proudly stating how the amnio gives you 100% reassurance (for some genetic disorders, please) and I innocently retored that I'd always believed there were no certainties with medicine in general and pregnancy in particular and one just lived with it. Anyway both my sisters (older) has said that in my shoes they would not envisage the amnio if my blood results give roughly the same risk.

Hello jardins and HappyBump. I haven't had my results yet, hoping this is a good sign. Although, the bloods have to go to Cambridge (I'm in Norwich) and went on Fri pm so I'm not sure when they would be processed. The leaflet that I was given after said that higher than 1/250 they would recommend amnio. Is this just because the medical profession would like to know how accurate their tests are?

I hope you start to sleep better soon jardins I seem to have slept better the last few days. Previously, I was sleeping really badly, it is awful as you are shattered but can't actually sleep. Also, with dcs you can't exactly nap!

Thank you HappyBump, Wasabipeanut and Quirkychick for your welcomes

Wasabi I think the advice you have given about getting regualr scans is great. It would be very reassuring to see things moving forward, fingers corssed What is the right way to ask for these early scans? Despite my history I had been previously told that early scans are not possible so I have just went to the EPU and said I had pains to try and get a scan probably not the best way to do it but I have been going out of my mind with worry.

I had my last miscarriage last month (an early one this time at 4.5) so I have only just been 'referred' whatever that means. I am going to try and find out exactly where I have been referred to today and ring them to tell them I am pregnant again to see if they will give me any more support and get me in for early scans. Has anyone else been investigated for reaccurant (sp?) miscarriage? What happens?

amyboo Hi, I am new too and I totally agree that the stories in here give you hope and support. It is reassuring that people who have been in your position go on and have healthy babies. I have everything crossed that things work out for you this time.

happybump how far on are you? I don't really know much about the test you had but the result sounded positive?

Hello ladies,
Please can I join you? I am 4+0 today, got pg two months ago but had a mc at about 6 1/2 weeks. I am really thrilled to be pg again so quickly, but also really really nervous. I've just read the last two pages of the thread, I'll try and get some time to read all the posts!

hello everyone
welcome to bettymum - congratulations on your bfp and welcome to the thread

jardins & quirky have you got your results yet?

ozbride I am almost 14 weeks I have had two mc's but I also had a DS in between so I haven't had the recurrent mc tests. I live overseas so I am not sure how you ask for an early reassurance scan, other than asking your doctor?

quirky one of my sister's lives near Norwich. I love shopping in Norwich, there is a gorgeous little toyshop there that sells the most beautiful toys.

jardins is it nice to have your daughter home?

HappyBump I am still waiting, hoping this is a good sign, I was told I would hear sometime this week. Do you mean Tickety Boo? I have bought some lovely toys for DD for Christmas, they have an online shop too.

ozbride could you ask your gp to refer you to gynae/ obs at the hospital? I know you can't really see a heartbeat on a scan before 6wks. I haven't had recurrent mcs, just one last year. This pg I had an early scan at 7 wks at the gynae ward as I had bleeding but no pains. Previous mc and pg I was scanned at EPAU, but my mw told me I had to have pains this time .

Hello everybody, just a very quick mail. Will post later.

I got my results and quite frankly I'm none the wiser!

12 week scan: 1/344
Triple blood test: 1/189
Combined tests result: 1/1043

I have to make a decision tomorrow re: amnio. What the Dickens am I supposed to surmise?

Help!!!!

ps It's fab having my DD home HappyBump: she just started a ballet course today.... Yippee.

jardins I would surmise that you are very low risk ... obviously that doesn't mean "no risk" but I would say the results are pretty good considering you are such an "old bird" . However, if you want to know for certain amnio is the only way you will find out. The risk for amnio is about 1:200. What does your DH think about all this?

Good luck with your decision.

quirky that's the name! I love that shop, I have browsed on-line but I am trying to hold back and see if I can go there in person in August when I come back to the UK.

Hi jardins I have replied to your post on the due Jan thread! I would be very happy with such a low risk but obviously it is a personal (and therefore difficult) decision. My DD loves ballet too, our classes have stopped for the summer, though.

HappyBump what a fabulous shop it is, they are pretty knowledgeable too and just have the most gorgeous stuff. I might have to get some early birthday stuff for DD soon .

Aargh, HappyBump and quirkychick the website for TicketyBoo is going to be my downfall. I am a sucker for toy fruit and vegetables . What a great shop.

Sorry Bettymum! A few years ago we got the velcro fruit and veg that you can chop. The little cakes and tea set stuff is really adorable too. Perhaps I should ask if I could get commission? I think they do stuff that a lot of catalogues like Letterbox, Great Little Trading Co. etc. do but as it's local I do like to use them in preference.

jardins I hope you've managed to talk through your results with someone re amnio. I'm waiting still, they said I would hear this week, trying not to jump every time the phone rings though. Dp says he's sure we would have heard by now if higher risk but I'm not so sure.

Quirkychick I'm sure you'll be ok. I'm thinking of you.

I'll probably post on the January thread too. jar I've had a hard time of it: making decisions is always tricky, isn't it? The midwife I spoke to admitted that the results were confusing and that she would take into account the blood test 'high risk' which would indicate need for an amnio BUT she agreed my nuchal fold scan result was excellent (1.09) and that these results incorporated my age which automatically put me at 1/59. So none the wiser. I was all set to decide for the amnio when my husband called me from work. He had kindly called the doctor who had performed the ultrasound at 12 weeks. This doctor said that the odds were the same between 1/189 and 1/200 (of miscarriage following the amnio). He suggested giving me an appointment at 17/18 weeks for the anomally scan, which would give me another chance at doing the amnio IF NEEDS BE. This is the option we are taking. Basically I will get the results of the scan at the same time as I would be getting the result of the amnio (minus the weeks of worrying about risk of mc). I feel so much more serene altho of course nothing is 100% but that, in my humble opinion, is pregnancy for you. Thank you for your support. Let me (us) know how you get on.

jardins thanks for your message. I'm glad you've made your decision, it is much easier when you know where you are even it it's not 100%. Must go as we're taking DD to see Billy Goats Gruff at Puppet Theatre. x

bettymum happy shopping! I bought quite a few of my DS's first birthday presents from there last year. Luckily we had restricted luggage allowance (and budget) so I was able to leave some stock for other buyers.

jardins I've posted for you on the jan thread ... but I am relieved for you.

How is everyone else? it's very quiet these days?

thandeka good luck for your scan tomorrow?

jardins it's really hard making the decision regarding amnio. I had a very very high risk with DD. We went for a nuchal, and it looked fine, but we did decide to go for an amnio to be sure. I think it was more stressful for DH than for me, and it must have been stressful for DD too as her heart slowed right down which apparently is NOT at all normal. We ended up spending the afternoon in the hospital having hourly scans to make sure the heartbeat was going back up. DH was beside himself with worry. Eventually we went home and rested and knitted a woolly hat for the baby as it seemed like a positive thing to do. The results came quite quickly and they were fine. DD is now the most adorable of adorable things in the hat I knitted that day .

Thanks Bettymum for your post about your experience with amnio. Sounds like it was quite stressful. Good to hear everything all ok in the end.

Can I ask some advice? When I woke up this morning I had a bit of brownish discharge (sorry tmi) when I wiped. It seems to be very light, but is definitely brownish. I'm 5 weeks today and am now worrying myself stupid that I could be having another mc or it could be a chemical pregnancy... With my previous pregnancy, I had an implantation bleed about 5 days after af was due, but I haven't had anything this time. Could the brown discharge be that? I can't get an appointment with my gynae till Wednesday, so I'm panicking. Did anyone else experience this?

Hi amyboo I think that it's quite normal - I guess all you can do is wait and see if you get any more or it gets redder.
I managed to read the whole thread last night, it's obviously been a roller coaster for a lot of people. Lots of sad stories but lots of happy news too.
I found myself doing another pregnancy test last night, the line is still faint but they're cheapie tests. I just so want to stay pregnant! I feel better about this one than the last one for some reason, so fingers crossed it will be sticky.
I already have the pregnancy hunger, I had to have my elevenses at 10am . Other than that I'm just t i r e d.
Hope everyone is well today.

Thanks bettmum. It seems to have stopped now, so I'll keep an eye over the weekend incase it comes back or changes to bright red. I hope it might have been implantation.

Glad to hear you've got some symptoms showing and are still getting lines. I haven't done another test, but figure the gynae will do one on Wednesday anyway. I know what you mean about the hunger and tiredness. I feel exhausted - all I want to do is sleep [yawn emoticon]

amyboo I have had bleeding and brown discharge in both pgs. Tmi alert: this time round I had heavy red bleeding (so heavy I could feel it gush) at 7wks and went to gynae ward for early scan. Later, I had brownish discharge at 11wks but had scan coming up a few days later so thought I might as well wait. If it's gone would just mention to gynae as you are going anyway. If it comes back or gets worse perhaps contact midwife/gp. Fingers crossed for you.

Amyboo I shouldn't worry about a little brown discharge at 5 weeks. It is, more than likely, implantation bleeding. I had mine at 4 weeks. If it's any consolation I had a little brown mucus (tmi) at 9 weeks which turned out to be nothing at all.

Thanks HappyBump for your post: I will switch to the January thread presto pronto. How are you feeling? My nausea has virtually disappeared! Amazing. Sometimes I even wonder if I'm still pregnant I feel almost normal!!

I've just taken my children for a boat trip on the Loire. It was lovely. Tomorrow my husband is taking them to his parents for the week-end: it will be the first time in months that I will have time to myself. Imagine my joy, although I will miss them of course

I'm almost at 15 weeks and I really think I can feel the baby moving a little. Not always. This is my favourite part of being pregnant.

Hi All. Just went for my booking appointment today. They were running late so I waited. Went to the loo and discovered a brown/red discharge and was convinced I was having a miscarriage. They shipped me off to A&E & then to the EPU where I was scanned - fortunately it was good news & could see heartbeat & it moving around. I am nearly 10 weeks now so lord knows what the bleeding was? I had bleeding at 5/6 weeks also which I though was implantation bleeding but the midwife said that the bleeding today was probably that. Very odd that it happened at the hospital but glad I was there. It's all so nerve racking trying to reach the 12 week mark. I'm suffering with such bad sickness, heartburn & insomnia that I feel emotionally drained. Hope all you ladies have a relaxing weekend. Am going to try and rest!