The "4 weeks and bricking it" lounge.

[Thandeka]

Hello,
Me and Wasabipeanut thought a specific thread for people in our boat may be nice- as lovely as the knicker checkers thread is and great support but a lot of the lovely knicker checkers are past the evil first trimester and for those of us that have just found out we are pregnant again post MC we thought it might be nice for us to have a sub lounge to huddle in and support each other in these very early stages where in a way we are still in denial about this pregnancy!

We don't have to post due dates or anything scary like that, just more a place to wobble with people going through it at same time.

So I will be only 4 weeks tommorrow and 40 days ago tommorrow I had an MMC at 10 weeks but emby died at 6/7 weeks. So am going to be petrified basically for at least the next 8 weeks and would love some handholding- especially as this time I am not telling anybody except DH and best mate. Parents need not know.

Sniff am sneaking on here for a bit of sympathy as have done my back in. I havent had back pain like this since i was 15 and that took a few weeks to go. Is awful I can't bend down to look in fridge, even wiping my arse kills. I had to give in and take paracetamol for the first time this pregnancy. Have had a heat pad on it all day and slept some which has helped a bit. I looked up some back pain exercises so I am starting to do them too. So fed up as just as morning sickness starts to ease a bit and then this happens. Think it was moving the chair yday (which I didnt really move as had a big strong fella me lad to move it) but I think I was too "active" for my condition. I guess its also because all my ligaments are loosening so more easy to do my back in (warning to you ladies). I just hope I never develop that SPD thingy as that sounds evil!

Hope all is well.
xxx

quirky and jardins - thanks v much for your thoughts. Had more or less reached the same conclusion myself, particularly in light of recent headlines. Will tell them this week.

Hope everyone has had a top weekend, unpleasant pregnancy symptoms aside.

Thandeka - sorry about your back pain. It's horrid to live with, hope it eases up soon.

Thandenka hope your back pain eases, its awful having back pain x

Right ladies i need a good shake, i am starting to stress myself because i dont feel pregnant anymore, i am worried sick that my scan on Thursday is going to show the bean has died - i cant get this thought out of my head. My pregnancy symptoms have passed and i know this is normal but i cant get this thought out of my head. Cant believe my scan is not till Thursday i will nearly be 14 weeks then!!!

Plus am worrying about what happens if get swine flu - worry worry worry arrrrghh

Oh poor Thandeka I am so sorry about your back. It will pass. If it's any consolation I spent the entire weekend with (and this is no comparison to your troubles, I believe) with a terribly sore knot in my back which brought with it a horrible tension headache on the left side. I can still feel it although it is getting better. The chemist told my husband that arnica granules were fine during pregnancy and, you know, I like homeopathy (that's partly how we treat our DC) but psychologically it is so nice to know you can take something during pregnancy apart from paracetamol. I don't know about you but I get very anxious when something 'goes wrong' physically; that's part of the trouble, isn't it? I can simply reiterate the wonders of osteopathy....

Mummytopebs do not fret! The weekend prior to my Monday morning 12 week scan I was so low - convinced all had gone wrong. I swear I was so scared. Everything went perfectly. Almost 14 weeks, how exciting for you. You know it's normal for symptoms to subside. Repeat after me, 'this is normal'!!

Well nausea really kicked back in last night again. I am finding my nights so unrestful these days..... sniff, sniff.

hello

Mummytopebs I think it's pretty normal for symptoms to go away by this point. I remember when I was pregnant with my DS by week 12 they had pretty much disappeared and they were never very strong in the first place. I continued to have a healthy pregnancy that time. My scan is on Thursday too although I think I am a week behind you. I am worrying myself stupid. I had a mmc in March and only found out at the scan at 13 weeks (exactly the same timing). I am trying my best to remain level-headed and say "what will be will be" but it's hard I so want everything to be okay.

Thandeka I have nothing but sympathy for back pain. I hurt my back a few years ago and the pain re-occurred one day during the final weeks of my pregnancy with DS. I had to crawl out of bed to go to the bathroom. I was very worried about going into labour and not being able to push and ending up with a c-section. Fortunately it miraculously disappeared as quickly as it appeared. My doctor told me that it was fine to take paracetamol and it was better that I did rather than suffer in pain as I would end up using my body in an awkward position and probably make it worse.

Now this swine flu thing sorry to bring it up again ... is it as serious as it seems to be reported? I was considering coming back to the UK in August for a couple of weeks as it will be 50degrees here but my DH says that I would be mad given the warnings on the BBC etc and that I would be putting myself, my DS and our unborn child in danger. I don't want to get hysterical because I generally do think these things are blown out of proportion but would I be stupid to come? I think the time when I would be exposed to risk the most would be on the flight and at the airport? Once I am in the UK I should be fine, right?

I hope everyone else is doing okay? and is feeling sick/not sick as desired and that all our beans are doing well.

Pinkyblue how was your scan?

Jardins I hope you start sleeping a bit more. Insomnia is not great. I am a light sleeper at the best of times. I am not sure which ones are allowed during pregnancy but have you looked at Bachs Rescue Remedy for restlessness?

I think Arnica is a great suggestion. I used the tablets after labour with my DS and I am sure I healed very quickly as a consequence.

Hi all,
Back pain has eased slightly still there but not as bad and have a massage booked tommorrow which will have to be on my side which will be interesting so hopefully it will go soon! I was a proper whinger yesterday (and a little embarrased i wrote about wiping my bum !)

Todays latest worry is the fact we have DH's cousins coming to stay for a week from Australia (and paranoid me thinks the variation of swine flu over there is much more serious for pregnant women given the amount in hospital at the min!) They will be out and about on public transport etc during the day so have emailed them to ask if they wouldnt mind washing their hands as soon as they come into the flat each time. Probably sound very precious but to be honest I don't care!

Mummytopebs- have a fab scan on Thursday- I am 12 weeks that day so my law says it will be fine!

xxx

Hi All sorry to hear about the back pain.

Scan went well on saturday, dates were bang on and good stong heartbeat 171BPM so we felt really pleased, still feeling terribly sick though.

Hi, Does anyone know why you have to allow 3 hours for your booking appointment?! Confused as to what the hell they do with you for 3 hours

Westlondongirl they say allow 3 hours in case you have a complicated history and loads of notes need taking, or in case the queue to have blood is long etc, or find something that needs further testted, but it really depends - mine in total including bloods took just over the hour.

They are covering themselves in case it does take that long

Mine took about an hour and a half but that was because I had the glucose tolerance test thing so they made me sit and wait for an hour after I downed my lucozade!

Thanks For the info. Didn't realise they take blood at that time so at least i'm prepared!

thandeka just being nosey, but why did you have the glucose tolerance test so early in the pregnancy, I thought that was only done much later around 26+weeks?

Have no idea they just gave it too me! Was 7 weeks at the time too. Maybe they do it to get a benchmark glucose tolerance and then compare it later in the pregnancy?

They took LOADS of blood (not a pint dont worry!) but about 5 different vials and I think that is going to happen again at my second midwife appointmnet as need my nuchal fold blood tests too. Shame my veins are so crap- its more like blood out of a stone than a vein!

Hi girls!
Sorry I didn't sign in 'til now but my update is good! I had scan last Wed and all is well! When I saw that heartbeat I broke down in tears of relief! The sonographer had to ask me to keep still so I could see the heartbeat.
I feel irritable, tired, nauseous and it all seems to be intensifying as the weeks go on but that's pregnancy for you I guess! I'm pregnant and thrilled thrilled thrilled so will just have to deal with all of that!
Hubby had a look at stats online and apparently said that once you see a heartbeat and size of baby coincides with your dates then risk of miscarriage goes down to 5%. I know we're not out of the woods yet but I can see the clearing up ahead and feeling positive!
Hope you're all well, give your babies a rub from me!
I am already putting on weight big time!
x

Ladies, is anybody else suffering from bad backs and headaches? I'm feeling really sory for myself. I have managed to get an appointment with an osteopath tomorrow evening: I just don't think downing paracetamol is the solution. If anyone else is bravely suffering in silence with headaches please let me know how you'e coping.

We have an appointment with a genetics specialist at the hospital tomorrow re: amnio. Apparantly they will be plotting our respective family trees. Sounds cool.

Hi again,
Hi jardins -poor you-have you thought about acupuncture? I hear it's very effective for both and it' been really helping me with my symptoms.
I have a doctor's appointment set up on Monday and was going to ask my Dr then but was wondering if any of you might know whether or not if I've had an ectopic pregnancy previously which involved a labaroscopy and having a tube removed if that means a cesarean for this pregnancy? I still have scar as surgery was in Dec and scar still hurts. A friend of a friend who is a gp said they probably wouldn't leave me as long this time (so either not over due date and not too long in labour).

Hello, haven't been around for a while. I'm just trying to keep a calm head before 12w scan on Fri, so have been taking a break from mn.

Basically, my morning sickness has been coming and going, and I was finding that I'd come on here and get quite panicked reading the frequent posts and links saying that ms is a signifier that the pg is going well/less chance of miscarriage etc. So I decided to stay away for a while until I could get my proper medical/visual proof on Fri that all is well, without sort of self-diagnosing disaster via other people's posts. I decided that my scan is really the only way of confirming if things are ok or not. I know ladies who were hardly sick and had healthy pregnancies; in my last pregnancy my ms only started after my miscarriage had begun. There really is very little rhyme or reason to these things- or at least that's what I tell myself. I was driving myself mad comparing what I was going through with what others were. So I took a break. Hope that makes sense.

However, I have been lurking today and just wanted to say jardins, yes, I am getting horrible migraine headaches, and paracetomol is not really cutting the mustard. Plus it does not feel right to be popping multiple pills a day. I don't have any advice I'm afraid- it must be hard to care for your other kids while you're suffering. I've taken the last couple of days off work but that's not a long term solution. Maybe I'll try acupuncture as advised. I might also get one of those cool pads and will let you know if it works.

Other than that, and the worrying, I am OK. I'm 12w on Thurs (like you thankdeka?) and crossing my fingers that all will be well on Friday at my scan.

How is everyone else?

dur... thandeka I mean. I blame the headache

Hi girls,

Another week ticks by! I have now hit the big 12 and am anxiously awaiting my dating/nuchal scan tomorrow morning. My feeling is that everything is ok due to feeling like poo most of the time and retching big style every morning. Still incredibly tired most of the time. I seem to recall that when I was pg with DS this faded along with the sickness at around 15 or so weeks so only another 3 to go hopefully.

Thandeka How?s the back doing? I winced when I read your post, back pain is just misery central, especially if you?re still puking because the force of it can really hurt. Hope you are staying sane.

Mummytopebs Try not to worry too much ? it is completely normal for your symptoms to subside now as the placenta is taking over hormone production. You know this anyway I am just trying to reassure you! I?m sure on Thursday you will find out everything is fine and see your little bean pinging off the walls!

Pinky Yay for your scan! Really glad that everything is progressing well ? apart from the nausea that is!

Olga Great news about your scan also. The reassurance of seeing a heartbeat is quite something isn?t it? I blubbed at mine too!

Happybump The swine flu thing is scary I know. Everyone needs to decide where they sit on the risk/practicality spectrum. I am normally very cavalier about stuff like this but have since become quite concerned about SF ? from my DS?s perspective and also mine and Peanuts. My DH is using Milton gel on his hands after using public transport and his work have given him anti bacterial sprays for desk/laptop/phones etc. I have started wiping down shopping trolleys/swing chains and anything else ?public? with Milton wipes before putting DS in them and making sure that handwashes are very thorough rather than the quick ?wipe in cold water and showing them a bit of soap? that they can so often be with a toddler. I?m also changing hand towels every day . I?m avoiding soft play but not playgroups and the like because the numbers are smaller and the standard of hygiene much higher. Luckily I don?t have to commute anymore so can avoid public transport as we pretty much walk everywhere,

So in summary ? we are taking extra precautions but not staying indoors till 2011.

Jardins Oh poor you, it sounds like what with back pain, sleepless nights, nausea and headaches you are still having a rough time. I can?t help much with back pain although what helped with mine when pg with DS was spending as much time as I could perched on a birth ball as it corrects your posture I think. I also found that laying on my back on the floor with my knees pulled up as close to my chest as I could physically get them and then sort of rolling gently from side to side helped. It sounds really wierd but apparently it relaxes the muscles causing the pain!

I have had headaches too ? I usually used to get them immediately post ovulation and also on the 1st day of my periods so they were clearly connected to changing hormone levels. I had them early on with this pg too and more recently. Given that I have recently broken out in zits as well I am assuming a hormonal cause.

Joy Best of luck on Thursday. Your approach sounds very sensible to me!

Hope everyone else is good and not getting too fed up with the rain!

Hi everyone sorry to butt in - Blondieminx on the Knickercheckers thread suggested I pop in here to ask Jardins a question - going to France for 3 weeks on Friday, and I have read they have already stockpiled anti-virals as in the UK but wondered what the score is for accessing them should we need them. Rather hoping that 3 weeks in the middle of nowhere will mean we would only need them if we have managed to take SF with us!

DH is bilingual so language not a problem once we're there, but can't find easily accessible information and I assume the advice will be not to go near doctors surgeries etc.

If you could give me a quick rundown would be very grateful, thanks

Dear Alana39 - glad if I can help. The situation here in France, for the time being, is no where near as bad as in UK. In fact we are having a pretty easy ride. TBH I wouldn't stress about getting it whilst here in France, especially if you are in the middle of nowhere (just being nosey, but where exactly are you heading?). If you pop into your local chemist - they are EVERYWHERE, oh yeah, the French love their chemists - they will be only too pleased to give you info on the local anti viral procedure. I know that companies and state run organisations are stocking up on surgical masks but not much has been said about the medication side of things.

I'll write more asa I have other info, ok?

Ooh Wasabipeanut good luck and HAVE FUN at your scan.

HappyBump I have taken your advice and ordered some Bach Flowers. Nothing like pampering oneself.

Thanks so much Jardins that's really helpful. We're going south of Bergerac, just in to the Lot. One of my favourite areas and not sure how I will cope without the cheese, foie gras and wine this time!

Hello everyone I have been catching up as I have just spent 2 nights in hospital with DD who had an asthma attack. It was a bit tricky to be seen as sf is clogging up the nhs! The staff in hospital didn't seem overly concerned by it, in contrast to the nhs direct website. We were, however, kept in the Children's Assessment Unit on our own the first night and then we were in a bay with just one other patient and parent. Don't know if this is because dd and I are both high risk groups? Luckily, I didn't feel too bad whilst in and looking after DD, just very tired. Sickness has come back with a vengeance today, though.