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firststar · 22/07/2008 12:18

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Chooster · 15/09/2008 10:10

Hi all, Great to haer some good baby news on here from some of your friends. So pleased that your friend is getting some good news Honey - I'm sure the radiotherapy will be a bit grim but at least things are looking brighter for her. Really hope the expressing works! Any joy yet? My pal who was doing her second round IVF has had some good news too . She's had some spotting though and had an early scan last week and they saw the heartbeat so hopefully things will settle... I'm so pleased for her as she's had a rough time with the IVF after hyper-stimulating. Hope there's some good news for your sis Greedy. Do you think she would ever go down the route of IVF or is she still quite hopeful after the artificial insem has worked before?

So did you ever get your rain then Mrs? Needless to say you can have some of ours!! . Actually I'd imagine some rain would be a nice relief after the heat / sun for so long... How is Xavier's teething now?

Good to see you back Bodkin - life sounds busy...

Welcome minxi! I'm tempted to go and look on the temp buds thread to see all the BFP excitement .

Glad Oscar likes his swimming Iamamummy - And his food!! .

We've been away at centreparcs last week and my mums for the weekend just gone. It was a fab week and we all had a great time! The weekend at my mums was brilliant too as we had some sunnu spells when we headed to the beach. I think Max had the post-holiday blues this morning . Also can you believe I bumped into 2 people I knew at CP - One I hadn't seen for 6 years and the other I work with in Edinburgh. Both times I looked like I'd been dragged through a hedge backwards after swimming and not having time to even brush my hair . Its always the way isn't it...

So back at work now... Missing my little wee guys

fettle · 15/09/2008 10:58

Hi all

Had lots of fun things to do today, but I'm stuck at home with DD off school due to a stomach bug. She was spectacularly sick in the back of the car on Saturday morning. Thankfully she wasn't sick again, but we had a night I'd rather forget on Saturday evening with running to the loo all night! She was much better yesterday, but her tummy is still a bit dodgy, so I'm keeping her off school today. Probably ought to keep her off tomorrow too - such a shame as she was just getting into a routine with school and it is her 2nd ballet lesson today, which she was very upset to be missing. But these things can't be helped.

Anyway....

Chooster - center parcs sounds fun - which one did you go to? What a coincidence meeting those people! I can't imagine they looked completely coiffured to perfection (unlike Greedy managed in her birth photo!!)

On that point, can you believe that Marcy, Toby and Dex are nearly one!! I just can't believe it's my little Baby's birthday on Friday - doesn't feel like a year. I so miss my little tiny blanket wrapped lump that didn't do much, but I also really love my cheeky, won't stay still, won't leave anything alone big boy!!!

Boddders - great to hear from you. Not sure I had told anyone that she was pg actually - sorry!

Honey - any joy in the expressing side?

greedy - you're quiet at the moment. Hope all ok?

Right, best go - toby will be awake soon. Need to get a few things done.

xxx

firststar · 15/09/2008 20:37

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Chooster · 15/09/2008 21:54

Sorry we wont be hearing as much from you Firsty - We'll miss you thats for sure... Hope the MN break helps, if not then you know where we are - and always willing to lend a virtual ear if it helps. I just wish I had some words of wisdom that will make it feel better for you... But enjoy your little man and pop back to let us know how you are doing.

Take care xx

Bodkin · 15/09/2008 22:29

Oh Firsty Really sorry to hear that. Like Chooster, wish I could offer some words of comfort - you're always so good at giving advice and help to others.

Big hugs to you...hope you come back and visit when you can.

greedygreedyguzzler · 17/09/2008 14:14

oh no! firsty. sorry to hear you are so down and sorry if we have made it difficult for you. we will miss you and your stories of Ty. i really hope dh can see how much it means to you and changes his mind, but if not Ty will certainly appreciate having your attention all to himself. he's a lucky boy!

good to hear all this nice baby news. i am really praying for my sis at the mo. cant believe she would have been 37 wks by now. someone at her work the other day asked her how the pregnancy was going.......can you believe it. i dont think she was too upset, but she certainly wasnt very happy.

ive been a bit down recently. not sure why really. marcy is going through a really annoying screeching phase and its getting embaressing to take her anywhere! i know its frustration really and i think lots of it is cos she is in her buggy a lot of the time. even more now cos i have 3 school runs a day to do. because she is a bum shuffler it makes it hard getting her out at all. if she was cruising round things or walking holding my hands it would be easier i think. my big girl has started at the nursery attached to the infants school now. she had her first day yesterday. i think i have put a pic of her on my profile.

dh is away with work lots at the moment and that is depressing me.......anyway, dont know what im moaning about really......so i'll shut up!

took the mooster to jo jingles this morning and i think she enjoyed it. it was for the 1-2 yr olds and there was lots of walking around and jumping so she couldnt join in with that obviously but she liked the instruments and watching the fat lady dance at the front!!!

just about to do my bit to you all and marcy has woken up.......sorry.........

honeyapple · 17/09/2008 18:29

firsty- come back soon! Big hugs xx

Greedy- cheer up luv! I took Dex to a music class too yesterday- he loved it- clapping and jiggling about- very cute. Also was for 1 yr old and up- but i thought he would be too big for the babies class. Hope Marcy stops screeching soon. Is kiki liking the nursery?

No joy with the expressing for my friennd. Babies are much better than machines (durrr). ANyway have told her I will keep giving it a go but really not expecting to be able to provide much . She is doing really well though so that is fantastic.

Dex is shouting a lot at the moment- no proper words (DD had a few by this age)- just a lot of pointing and 'ur' 'ur' 'ur'.

Fettle- WOW Toby is 1 on friday! Blimey! Are you having a party???

Hi to everyone xx

fettle · 17/09/2008 18:59

Firsty - you probably won't see this - but we'll miss you. I am so sorry that you've hit a brick wall with DH regarding another child. It must always be difficult when one side of a relationship already has children from a previous relationship. But as Greedy says little Ty will be the most spoilt and loved little boy around - we thought long and hard about whether to have another one as we knew that with one we could devote all our time to her and we'd be able to afford to give her a much better start in life as well. Not the most reassuring words, but they are meant with good heart. Take care. xxx

That's a shame about the expressing, Honey - but good on you for trying and to keep on trying for longer. Glad you friend is doing well too.

Greedy - cheer up lovey! Lots of good things going on in the world (not sure where, but I am sure there are!!!). My DD is going through a screeching phase too, if it's any conciliation, but in her case she knows exactly that she is doing it and still won't stop it!! ARRRGGHHH!!! Thankfully she went back to school this afternoon - but strangely I missed her when she wasn't here. Poor Marcy is probably just very frustrated and not yet able to communicate that properly - just keep repeating that it is "just a phase!". It will pass, along with all the other annoying phases that come along!

Glad to hear your two like and behave at music class - Toby just crawls around and climbs over things trying to get at the instruments and boxes that haven't been brought out yet - everyone must think I have the most disobedient boy (probably do!!)

Toby babbles constantly - very tunefully at times, but no words yet. Like to think that he says "yes" "dye-dye" (when saying good-bye), but nothing really yet. He's not even properly pointing I realised today, but does indicate with both his arms that he wants something, so maybe he's just not very finessed at pointing!!! He's starting standing on his own now and is so proud of himself when he realises he's done it - such an amazing smile on his face! But not yet been brave enough to take that first step forward.

No party planned Honey - we're flying to Scotland on Friday afternoon as DH and I ahve been invited to a wedding on Saturday - no children allowed, but I didn't want to leave my baby behind on his birthday (am I really sad?!) - DH isn't comign to the wedding - he's staying at my parent's baby-sitting, while Mum, Dad, big sis and I go the wedding. Then there is a big BBQ on teh Sunday that we are all going to before flying home again on Sunday eve - DD is going to shattered at school on Monday!!

Where is everyone else? I hope silence is good......?

Right - best get some things done.
byeee
xxx

Bodkin · 17/09/2008 20:39

If I don't get on before - A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY to TOBY for Friday!!!! Hope you have a lovely day and make sure you give yourself a treat too...after all, I think mums deserve the biggest celebration for a year's hard graft!

Can I join in with the general whinging about 1 year olds?! Isla is also thoroughly frustrating with her wanting absolutely everything that she sees and straining to dive out of my arms to get whatever it is, accompanied by much "NIH NIH NIH-ing" She is also absolutely desperate to walk everywhere, so is now thoroughly cheesed off when I put her in the buggy. However, along with all these little niggles are lots of loveely moments, like when she sings ee-i ee-i oh when we're doing old macdonald, and lots of big cuddles and proper kisses now, which kind of makes up for all of the grottiness!

But I totally understand Greedy - it can be very wearing and draining when they are on the whinge/screech - especially since she has been such a little superstar generally until now.

Honey - bad luck about the expressing... might be worth posting for advice on the BF boards? Just a thought anywya.

Chooster · 17/09/2008 20:43

Sorry to hear you are down Greedy! There's obviously something in the air at the moment. Fingers crossed that Marcy soon finds her walking legs although I guess that may make the buggy even less appealing... Kiki just looks gorgeous in her uniform, so so cute - how does she like it? I can't believe your sis would have been 37 weeks . It really doesn't seem that long ago that you told us about it all.

Honey, how is the expressing going? Hope you are in full flow

Here things are good... Well they were going great, I was feeling more settled at work as I've been a lot busier, and DH has really been making a massive effort and is still seeing his shrink (As he calls her ) and its already made a difference... Mainly because he talks about the session and it then makes us talk about things really calmly... All in all its really good... Until the company I work for is on the verge of being taken over, so naturally thats a worry in terms of my job, but we'll see how it all pans out.

Right, had thought of lots of things to say and they've gone from my tired brain! . Need to do a wee bit of work for tomorrow so catch you all later!

Chooster · 17/09/2008 20:50

Oops , I hadn't refreshed since I put the kids to bed and missed you fettle, honey and bodkin . Hi all!!! .

Sorry the hear about the expressing honey - such shame it didn't work out but great news about your friend doing well...

Happy Birthday too to Toby! When are all the others? I've kind of lost track .

Also we haven't heard from cityangel in a while, hopefully she's settling in to life as a new mum

honeyapple · 18/09/2008 10:11

bodders- i have just posted in the feeding bit- good idea- hopefully get some good advice. I dont just want to give up- but also dont want to spend all day pumping and getting nought out.

greedygreedyguzzler · 18/09/2008 20:53

hello all! thanks for trying to cheer me up! marcy has been much better the past 2 days but then she has been at the childminder this afternoon so maybe thats why her screeching hasnt bugged me!!!

kiki LOVES nursery!!!! i know it sounds completely stupid, but she has been like a different child the past 3 days!!! she is suddenly super confident (for her anyway!!) and plays with all the other kids in the playground (instead of clinging to me like before!!!) and this morning she said "mummy i am just SO excited about going to nursery today...............and i am SO excited about Autumn!!!" (they do say random things sometimes dont they!!) apparently autumn means conkers and conkers are the best thing in the world ever after disney princesses!!!

honey - sorry the expressing hasnt been going as well as you wanted. i would definately say you should perservere if you can (although obviously i have no idea how hard it is), cos i read in one of my medical books (ages ago, so i hope i have remembered right!) that you can reintroduce breast feeding for up to a year after your baby is born. so your body is probably still capable of producing a good supply if stimulated enough. i often think about this when you lot rave about it and wonder if i should have given it another try when marcy was a few months old..............hey i guess i've still got 3 weeks left to try before she's one!!!

talking of which..........happy birthday big boy toby for tomorrow!

bugger ...got to rush off again.........will i ever get a proper chance to write a decent post!!!................

seaside72 · 19/09/2008 21:20

Hello everyone - I am still here We have been away on holiday in France for three weeks which was wonderful and before that we were inundated with family and friends visiting - I cannot believe it is the end of September - Cassius will be 8 months on Monday - what it going on!!

All is well with us - we sold both cottages - hurrah (also why I was awol before hols) I am so relieved. We made virtually no money so pretty depressing but I am glad the weight of debt is off me again and feel pretty lucky as the housing market is so static.

Cassius is fantastic -He was such a star on holiday - entertaining and easy-going and charming girls wherever he went! He just started commando crawling while we were away also - so that is interesting It was so great before as I could just sit him down with his toys and get on with stuff - not anymore!!! He has finally got some hair and his 2 bottom teeth are so cute. I think the top 2 are on the way now also as he is drooling again and a little off his food. On the down side he is so strong now and very willfull - I have tried being stern with him and saying NO - but he just laughs at me - even more annoying!

I have tried to catch up with the goss but it will take me a while to get up to speed again so apologies in advance!

Firsty - so sorry to see you are stepping back from MN, I do understand but we will miss you so much - I hope you can come back and visit with us again sometime .
honey - well done on your house move So glad about your friends baby arriving safe and sound - well done on the expressing attempts. I remember being told by a BF councillor about some tablet you can buy over the counter from a pharmacist that has a side effect of increasing milk supply (it is recommended to mums of prem babies) If I rem what it was called I will post.
Chooster - sorry to hear you are having some issues with DH - but well done to both of you for addressing them and dealing with it. Hope Max's infection is clearing up - LOL at all the willy stories - cassius has "discovered" his on the changing mat recently and yanks it in all directions - very funny!
Fettle - Happy Birthday Toby hope you have a great weekend in Scotland.
Greedy - so cute about Kiki enjoying nursery Just looked at your pic of her too - adorable. Hope Marcy's screeching calms down - Cassius drives me crazy with his "Nanananana" ing it starts quietly but crescendos to a roar!
Bodkin- Glad Isla is doing so well - eh-iy-oh ing sounds so cute - we have taught Cassius to "kiss" but that just means he launches his face at your lips with his mouth open - bit worrying really
Babylove - your 4D scan sounded fab - so a little pink one on the way for sure now How many weeks are you now?
Minxi - so lovely to see you here - yippee for the 13 weeks milestone!
Iammummy - Glad to hear Oscar is over his bug and back to normal. Swimming is so brillant isn't it? good news that Oscar loves it
rainbow - Well done for swimming with all three of your babes!! I just about manage it with one!
MrsMc - How are you and Xavier - Are you officially TTC? I sort of want to too but not just yet. 8 months have passed soooo quickly. I think I already said it but I am a bit scared to start TTC but also a bit scared to wait in case it does not happen IYKWIM?? I so do not want ttc to swallow me up like it did last time but also do not want to regret not trying sooner - arghhh! But now both you and Iammummy are trying I will feel very left out when you are both pg with #3!!!
Waves to scorpio and goingfor3
I know I have missed someone - sorry

OK - enough before I bore you all to death (if I have not already!)
Love to all
xxxxxxx

seaside72 · 22/09/2008 14:19

Hellooooo - anyone there???
Have I killed the thread

rainbowdays · 22/09/2008 17:52

Hi Seaside, yep you killed it !!!! Ok so I am still here but it is "all your fault" as kiddies love to say!!!! Not sure where everyone else is, but I have not been very good at lurking here and reading.

wow Cassius is crawling already, you will now be busy chasing after him. I have a clingy baby in Jak and keep thinking it will be easier when he gets moving and not wanting me to entertain him all the time. But then the reality hits that once he is moving I will be having to be chasing after him instead and he will still be wanting cuddles just when I need the loo etc!!!!! Oh the joys of babyhood.

My dd started at montissori playschool today, she was getting bored with just playing at her playschool from last year so hopefully this new place will stretch her a little.

well got to go again, gets some things done before Jak wakes from his nap.

Bodkin · 22/09/2008 21:14

Hiya Seaside!!! Great to see you again - glad to hear cottages are all sold and you can breathe a sigh of relief. Can't believe Cassius is crawling already... these babies grow up quickly don't they!!!!

Hi Rainbow - sounds like you've got your hands full there... I know all about clingy babies! Trying to cook tea, one handed, while helping DD1 to build some complicated lego construction is my speciality!

Oh god, how excited am I... I just sold a Noa Noa cardigan on Ebay for £32!!!!! I only paid £1.50 for it in a chazza shop (it is in mint condiiton though) but alas it was too big for me, else I would have kept it as it is thoroughly gorge. Anyway, I am so chuffed at that selling price.... and she;s paid straight away too!

We've just booked a weekend at Fowey Hall down in cornwall (DP has been working like a demon for the last god knows how many months, and we REALLY need a break) It looks fab... I'm so excited about that too!!!

And we are planning to get a wooden climbing frame/tower thingy with slide and climbing wall etc. for the garden for the girls' chrimbo pressies. So I'm very excited about that too!!!!

We really are splashing the cash at the moment... not like us at all, but there has to be some bonuses to DP working 60 hour weeks!

Sorry to go off on one there I'll calm down now. And go out to my shed and do some work, which I should have done an hour ago, but have been too busy on the net spending all this cash!

Hello everyone else...

greedygreedyguzzler · 23/09/2008 11:44

hiya seaside! we did miss you! good to have you back.......and i say you should start ttc as soon as possible!!!

bodders - good to hear you so excited about stuff! hope the woman who bought your cardie isn't a MNer! i just bought some 'oxygen' shoes from ebay and the stitching was coming apart very slightly, so they sent me another pair to replace them but didnt ask for the first pair back so i am thinking of reselling them on ebay! is that a bit cheeky?!! we also sold our jumperoo for more than i bought it for. ebay can be fab cant it!!??

well ladies.................if i EVER mention wanting another baby again i would like you all to remind me that i can barely look after myself, so its not fair to bring another child into the world that would rely on me to look after it! i had one of THOSE days yesterday! we were all ready for school at 8.45am but when i went to unlock the door, i couldnt find my keys anywhere! so after hunting around fro 10 mins i rang dh (who was working 2 hours away from home) and he told me they were in my car! FANTASTIC!!! so i was trapped in the house!! I rang one of my friends and she came round and i passed ellis out through the window to her so she could take him to school for me!! then she came back after dropping him off to see if i had found my spare key (which obviously i hadn't!). she tried my car door on the offchance i had left it open and i had!!! yippee!!! so she got my keys out and freed me from the house!!!.............anyway that was all a bit crap!....................then later on i was meant to pick up another friends little girl from school for her............and i forgot!! left the poor little girl in the school office for about 20 mins. how crap a friend am i hey?!!

so, the moral of the story is...................i am a complete dippy cow and no one should ever trust me with their kids.........so dont ever let me have any more!

fettle · 23/09/2008 13:33

going to have to be super quick - cheeky monkey has just raced to the top of the stairs - as soon as he sees that I've seen him set off he starts speed climbing laughing his head off!!! I can't help laughing with him, which isn't giving him the best idea is it. I've just taken him down off his music table that he'd climbed on top off and I had to rescue him from the kitchen sink about 30 mins ago!!! Never a dull moment, with my little boy! And I've just read a top tip on the MN homepage about how to stop babies undoing their gro-bag zips - I didn't know they could and I know I just know that Toby will be going that now!!!

AND, and, and...... he just took a very very very tiny step all on his own!!! He won't do it again for weeks I imagine, but this time I saw it - I missed DD's first step as I was away on business!

Seaside - so good to hear you sounding so good and to have you back - we have missed you!!

Greedy - you muppet!!!! I didn't know it was possible to lock yourself inside a house - need to be careful in case of fire you know! >

Bodders - good on you spending money - but I'll be returning the Noa Noa cardigan I just bought on ebay!!. I've always wanted to stay at Fowey! I didn't realise that DP was working so hard all the time - you deserve to splash out a bit - we're trying really hard not to spend money, but it just keeps being spent! I really must look for some kind of part time work to just give us a little boost, but I'm loving spending time with Toby, despite his cheekiness!

Rainbowy - sorry to hear that Jak is a clingy baby. Toby was a real mummy's boy too, but is definitely getting better and has occasions when he doesn't even want me.

I'd better go - he's standing on top of his truck trying to get onto the back of the sofa to reach the phone! He's already got one black eye - best not give him another!

xxx

Chooster · 23/09/2008 13:35

Sorry Greeds but i have to laugh! Poor Ellis being passed out the window, mind you he probably thought it was great fun. I've been locked in the house before too (and have locked DH in the house before as well ), but we can escape fairly easily through the garage . We all have days like that though... Hope your friend took the abandonment of her daughter well .

Wow, you've got some good things going on Bodders! I'd be massively excited about the wooden climbing thing too! I love getting new stuff like that, I think because I know I would have loved it as a kid. We've got a metal version which has mainly been collecting spiders over the last couple of months... Not enough room for one of those all singing all dancing wooden jobs.

Good job to you both as well for the recent ebay work . Definately flog those shoes on ebay Greedy, sounds like a real result. There's probably quite a good market there Bodkin for trawling round charity shops for good branded stuff and then selling it - Perhaps could be a new career for me if i end up losing my job . We've got a few things to sell and have even taken the photos but not placed them on yet. Just need to pull my finger out.... I also sold the jumperoo on Greedy, but for me it was for the same amount I bought it for. Still good but not as good as yours .

Great news on the cottages seaside. Like you say, great to get that worry off your mind... And what a little star cassius is, your going to have your hands full now he's on the move . Theo is a total handful these days, he's into everything, climbs on everything, opens everything he can (drawers, wardrobes etc) - honestly i need to watch him all the time. His latest thing is balancing on the very corner of the back of the sofa holding the tv controller to his ear as if on the phone . He's much more of a tinker than Max ever was... In fact Theo's in my bad books for bringing a stomach bug into the house that he picked up from nursery. He and Max have had one big barf in the middle of the night (cue lots of washing kids and changing bedding) but when DH and I got it we were floored by it! I must have been sick about 8 time over the course of sunday night . Anyway, its all been and gone now...

Hi rainbowdays, good to hear from you too. Sounds like Jak loves his cuddles... . Have you managed to persuade DH that another would be a good idea?

Ooh, yes ttc as well seaside so then we can have the excitement of seeing who on this thread will get pregnant first. I'm definately qualifying myself out as my feelings of dreaming about having a third have definately disappeared. We will remain a happy family of 4 .

Better be off to catch up with work... Speak soon x

Chooster · 23/09/2008 13:41

X'd fettle - sounds like Theo and Toby could definately be swapping notes on their adventures. Theo does the same thing with the stairs, and he races up them when he sees me coming. The only danger is that he' so keen to make as much progress as possible that he loses his concentration . He's such a sweetheart though... well done toby for walking .

greedygreedyguzzler · 23/09/2008 14:25

climbing the stairs!!! wow!! cant believe how little marcy does still! she can shuffle at quite a speed now, but still cant pull herself up! her talking is fab though! in fact i left her to read bedtime stories to the other two last night!

fettle - about fires!...i know i know!!! in fact we all had a big chat about fires the other day and how to escape and what to do in the night if there was one and i told ellis and kiki that we would always leave the keys on the kitchen table.....whoops! i read this horrible leaflet about a house that caught fire and the parents shouted and shouted for their kids but couldnt find them so assumed they had escaped (i think) and then later on their bodies were found in the wardrobe holding hands. really made me think about it, so thats why we had the big chat and then stupidly i didnt leave my keys out at all!

greedygreedyguzzler · 23/09/2008 14:28

by the way bodders i just googled you!!! i am doing my own website at the mo and thought i would see if you had one! nice headscarf!

honeyapple · 23/09/2008 16:34

hiya

hiya seaside and rainbow- good to have you back- mind you i am a bit of a rubbish poster at the moment- prob as Dex is a total nightmare at the moment with his adventures- sounds very similar to toby- as soon as the stair gate is off he is up the stairs- but NO words- just a lot of shouting and pointing.

fettle- belated happy bday to toby BTW- did you have a nice day?

the only thing i could sell on ebay is my amby- but i think i'll just hang on to it for a little bit... why????

anyway- cant remember what else to say and dex is moaning- so bye for now xx

fettle · 23/09/2008 17:19

Toby's not saying anything really either Honey - I like to think he's saying hello, bye-bye and yes, but he's constantly babbling, so he must think he's saying something! You reminded me about the pointing - Toby isn't doing this yet - I read somewhere you ought to go see someone if they aren't pointing by 1 - he kind of stretches his arms out towards what he wants, does that count? He's far more interested in exploring and getting want he wants rather than pointing at it wanting it brought to him!

Greedy - you weird stalker person you - I'm off to google you now! I've not discussed fires with DD yet - I was terrified of fires at home after my mum had "the fire chat" with me that I wouldn't go to sleep for days afterwards! Scaredy cat that I am!

Right - best get on and do DD's reading with her - can't believe she's got homework!!! I'm expecting to find a lot of satsuma segments in Toby's nappy, as I gave him 2 at supper and they both disappeared while my back was turned and I can't find any bits on his chair or the floor! I can't believe he's eaten both of them completely!

Chooster - are you very worried about losing your job? I thought they were focussing on keeping jobs in Scotland - would it be the end of the world if you were made redundant - I was desperate to be made redundant before I resigned. Theo and Toby do seem to be very similar in temprement (did I make that word up, doesn't look spelt right!).

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