Vaccines = autism?

[Demdem6]

Hello

so I am currently pregnant with a baby boy and my partner is strongly against getting him vaccinated when he gets here as he believes vaccines cause / increase risk of autism,
especially in boys

id never thought twice about this but now hes put it in my head. Yes ive done my own research but hes saying doctors and the internet will tell you what you want to hear because they want you to vaccinate your kids. Tbh hes a conspiracy theorist

i just want to hear from people who vaccinated their sons and their son didn’t develop it? I know some people will shout at me for this, not my intention to offend anyone

"Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"

To be fair, I don't think OP is much better.

But why are you even considering putting your child at risk by not vaccinating him or her? Would you seriously rather have a dead child than an autistic child?

My friend is anti vax - no vaccines at all and her four kids have autism. I am not anti vax, mine do not.
vaccines do not = autism; that dr was struck off

I have 2 sons. Both vaccinated. One has autism. One doesn’t. I am convinced it was not caused by vaccines. Your partner is stupid. I note that you’re not married. I’d make sure the baby has your name, don’t put him on the birth certificate, and take your baby for the vaccines anyway. And prepare for him to be a terrible dad if he’s already this shit before the baby is even born.

This shit really winds me up. It’s been debunked years ago that there’s a link between vaccines and autism. Also that people think autism is so bad it’s worth risking avoidable death or disability for.

I know some highly intelligent anti-vaxxers with careers in finance and STEM. They're wrong but they're not stupid.

85-90% of children are vaccinated in the UK. Do you believe that 85% of children are autistic? If not then it should be obvious that plenty of boys are vaccinated and have not developed autism as a result, because vaccines do not cause autism.

I would also worry about my child growing up a conspiracy theorist 👀

I meant both of them... 😉

This isn’t the situation the OP is in though. So it’s irrelevant.

What ones are 'outdated'?

I vaccinated my boy and girl and they are not autistic. The science is quite clear test there is no link. There's no need to debate scientific facts.

I guess at least you aren't asking 'Did anyone here not vaccinated their child and can you confirm they are fine?' Which is akin to asking 'Does anyone here not wear a seat belt and can you confirm you are fine?'. You're fine until you aren't.

You have a very poor understanding of vaccination and how it works on a population level. You are as misinformed as your husband. Asking a few people on the internet about vaccination & autism in their own children is merely anecdotal information and tells you nothing useful

Oh you think she’s a doctor? I assumed virologist/immunologist/public health expert.

Quite. What OP should be worrying about is the genes she's saddled her child with.

Same question. Especially since the vaccines used now contain much lower doses of antigens than the ones administered in the 80s or 90s.

Why?

Please, please, read true horror stories of what happened to children not long ago before vaccines were made compulsory. Approach this from this end. I know what you are saying about vaccines being pushed at people - i.e. our GPs are financially interested to push them. But please read about vaccination programmes in the early Soviet Union - when not a single penny was paid to their socialist doctors and they promoted vaccines, often going to areas where there was no electricity and running water, the campaigns they ran. They were not motivated financially, they wanted to protect their population. Vaccination in the Soviet Union was compulsory and it had the lowest rate of autism - look at the statistics.

I work in children’s health, and we forget how dangerous and damaging a lot of the illness we vaccinate against, can be. Even with immediate treatment, often those children (when they live) live very altered lives (with significant physical disabilities). Many of the trachy vented kids I see, had viral meningitis initially triggered by measles or mumps.

There is no established link at all between vaccines and autism - there has been decades of funded research into proving a link, often funded outside of health service (so highly motivated to find connections) and at best it’s correlational evidence. Which means not causal. There’s plenty of examples on this thread of people who are autistic or neurodivergent who haven’t been vaccinated.

There is causal evidence for the illnesses we vaccinate against, leading to illness and death. Including in modern society.

I understand that medicine as a field hasn’t (and doesn’t) always get things right. I was nervous about getting my children vaccinated too (esp as mine often had fibrils convulsions in response to high temps, so anything that risked them having a mild fever, made me anxious and naturally made me want to out it off)…but seeing the devastation the disease itself can cause, helped me make up my mind

The vaccine knowledge project is a good resource - https://vaccineknowledge.ox.ac.uk/vaccine-ingredients - a lot of the talk on ticktoc etc. are not correct about the ingredients in UK vaccinations. This site explains what’s in the vaccines, and shows some information on the impact of vaccinations, tracked using data

OP if you don't vaccinate, what are you going to do next time there is (for example) a measles outbreak in your area? Hope that your child isn't the one in 5 that are hospitalised, one in 20 with pneumonia, one in 1,000 that end up dead, or one of the others that end up with a lifelong disability (like deafness) as a side effect? Or take them out of school or nursery while there is an outbreak?

There is no scientifically accepted evidence that vaccines cause autism. There are hundreds of years of facts that show the diseases that these vaccines protect against, kill children or leave them with lifelong issues...even healthy children. Yes most healthy children above 5 are fine. But a significant minority aren't.

DS1 is autistic and in his case it is almost certainly not genetic. However neither did it come from a vaccine!

I am someone who developed atopic dermatitis from a vaccine (single measles) I had when I was a child, this was confirmed by doctors. I do have an egg allergy and I know the vaccine was made from egg protein so it was probably an allergy to the ingredients used to make the vaccine rather than the vaccine itself. Vaccines have also come a long way since I had this jab especially in regards to safety and using non-allergenic substances in production.

When it came to having the Covid vaccine and the MMR vaccine a few years ago (I never had it as a child because of the reaction to single measles but needed the rubella immunity later in life hence wanting the MMR), I did a thorough amount of research. I researched officially recognised side effects, I compared that to the side effects of actually contracting the virus itself, the ingredients and methods used to create the different brands of the vaccine, medical studies including the links between the MMR vaccine and atopic dermatitis which has been proven in medical studies. I did this thorough research that I put on a spreadsheet so I was informed as I could be before having them and could choose the safest brand.

For both I concluded that whilst the vaccine was not 100% safe by any means, it was far safer than actually contracting the virus itself unvaccinated. When I had the Covid jab for instance there were 1000 times more deaths from Covid than from the Covid vaccine. And Rubella was not something I wanted to risk as a woman of child bearing age.

I decided to have both jabs. Because of my history I had to stay for 20-30 minutes being watched straight after the jab. I was also allowed to choose the brand that I wanted for both types of jab that they ordered in for me especially. But for both I had absolutely no side effects whatsoever and I’m so glad I had them!

Yes vaccines are not totally safe and anyone that says so is very misinformed, but they are so so much safer than actually contracting the virus unvaccinated and that’s why we should have them and why we should vaccinate our children!

I do wish however that there would be a choice to take single vaccines rather than combined even if one had to pay for them because for me that would have been an even safer option.

I would recommend that your husband researches the vaccines including related medical studies of side effects and links between childhood vaccination and various chronic conditions and compare that with the side effects and chronic conditions that can arise from actually getting the virus itself without the antibodies already in the immune system. It will give him more confidence about the vaccines and the fact that they are the safer option compared to actually contracting the virus unvaccinated.

Yes.

Because of stupid people like your partner, the illnesses that can be vaccinated against are still around. There are children that CAN'T be vaccinated for various reasons and won't get herd immunity if sufficient numbers haven't been vaccinated
I'm in my 70s. I had measles, mumps, rubella and chicken pox. Horrible diseases. Measles affected my sister's eyesight. Luckily vaccines for diptheria, polio and TB had been developed. Just research iron lungs. Do you wish that for your baby?

Go wander round a graveyard. Look at how many small graves there are dated pre-fifties.

You seem to agree with him. Go talk to a real doctor, not doctor Google

And get your baby vaccinated