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Pregnancy After Miscarriage Part 5 - TTC graduates

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BecsterG · 15/02/2021 12:27

Hi Ladies, loving that we have e Pugh success stories and chat for part 5!

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SunnySideUp2020 · 12/07/2021 20:11

@Fizzl
First of all so sorry to hear about your dog :(
And visiting the hospital 3 times so early, what a nightmare indeed :/

Amelia only had 3 days of formula top up but i remember it was 20ml as well so it sounds good.
It makes sense that she sleeps after formula as it is richer i think but if you enjoy breastfeeding i would persevere and stop the formula top up... to make sure your supply matches what she needs, even if she cluster feed. Very normal too!
It might be tiring for a few days but worth a try?
Also get her a pacifier!!! We were not keen but we had to give her one on day 2 i think to help her soothe herself. And now she only uses it occasionally when she needs comfort. Not an addict at all 😆
Why do you wake her every 2/3 hours?

Amelia was sleeping a lot in the early days and I let her go to 5/6 hours as long as she was feeding well during the day and she was great with weight gain... and that's why the paediatrician said i could let her sleep.

When we got back from the hospital i had a lactation consultation at home as i thought something was off (now can't even remember what exactly😅) but what happened is the lady confirmed everything is good and normal. Worth looking into it if you need reassurance like i did?

scrumdiddly123 · 12/07/2021 20:13

@Fizzl sounds like completely normal cluster feeding, as exhausting as it is! Carry on giving the formula if that’s working for you but it doesn’t sound like she needs it- is weight gain ok? Rosa wouldn’t be put down at night for the first 4 weeks which was an absolute killer but she just wanted to be on me/feeding! Could you try a dummy to see if that will settle her if she just wants to suckle? You’re doing fab 🙌🏻
Sorry about the hospital trips, that sounds like a pain 🙄 hopefully you won’t have to do that again! X

scrumdiddly123 · 12/07/2021 20:15

Oh yes and so sorry about your dog 😢 xx
@SunnySideUp2020 sounds like we’re on the same page 😃 Is breastfeeding still going well for you? X

Fizzl · 12/07/2021 21:09

Was definitely a nightmare! Got us used to leaving the house with a newborn though 🤦🏼‍♀️ not easy! I get it now when people say they have to start getting ready 2hrs in advance! It's also meant I've not been able to catch up on much sleep as there's not been many windows of opportunity during the days when we've been out and about. How did you all cope with lack of sleep?! 😴

I don't want the formula to interfere too much with breastfeeding but I also want to sleep so feels a bit of a dilemma! I've tried expressing some milk today to give her that tonight but I guess if formula is richer it might not cut it!

I keep saying I think we should try her with a dummy but the feeding team told me not to give a dummy until at least 4 weeks so it doesn't interfere again. I was also told not to let her go any longer than 3hrs which is why I keep waking her but to be fair I have been questioning this as sometimes I've really had to persevere with waking her to feed and feels counterproductive! I might just let her sleep. She was a very lazy feeder to start with and didn't poop for two days after her initial meconium poops. probably because she didn't tolerate birth very well and was exhausted - she's lost 6.9% of her birth weight so they're not concerned now. Midwife advised formula top ups when she was 3days old just to try and avoid a feeding plan if she lost too much weight - feeding team very against it so does feel like you get conflicting advise and don't know what to do for best sometimes but I liked the midwives advice and thought it made sense if there was a possibility she was going to be put on formula top ups anyway.

Thanks for making me feel more sane and reassuring me it's all normal!

Annny27 · 12/07/2021 23:16

So sorry to hear about your dog @fizzl must be such a turbulent time for you all 💙

Fizzl · 13/07/2021 00:08

Thanks @Annny27 💛 we knew it was coming as she was really old and not been great for a while but I was shocked how quickly she went down hill this week. As soon as I saw her I knew 100% it was the right decision as didn't want her suffering but timing wise it's just a bit crappy 😢

Hope you're doing ok? How are things going for you?

SunnySideUp2020 · 13/07/2021 05:52

@scrumdiddly123
Haha we wrote the same thing 😄
Yes going amazing! I feel very lucky to have an easy and pleasant journey with breastfeeding, i praise my boobs and baby for being a great team 😁
But that's also why i am not going for Neocate formula and instead been on my harsh CMP free diet for 2 months and will be for another 3 months at least.

But i know how unsettling it feels at first, you just don't know what is the right thing to do.
@Fizzl i think different professionals give different advices with regards to dummy and waking up baby. But i would honestly trust your instincts more. There is no correct or wrong way if she is healthy!

@scrumdiddly123
We are probably going to start introducing solids next month when she is 4 months (along with breast milk), her allergy specialist said she might be ready then. We will see!
But any tips i will take :)

We are flying in 2 days for the first time with the baby 😅 and will be holidaying accross south of france for a month, so currently in the middle of packing.

Hope all the other mammas are doing well

BecsterG · 13/07/2021 12:17

@Fizzl sounds like you've had a nightmare of a time. Sorry to hear about your dog.

The lack of sleep for the first few months is really tough. You just have to try and sleep whenever you can. It does pass I promise.

I've just confirmed Jude's start date for nursery!! Sad to almost be at the end of Mat leave with my baby! 😢

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TerribleImagination · 13/07/2021 23:57

@Fizzl You poor thing! That definitely doesn’t sound like an easy time. Sending love ❤️

RE the formula, contrary to popular belief, breast milk and formula are actually very similar in calorie content, so sleep isn’t affected by which method you choose to feed. I’ve combi fed Daisy since birth and have never noticed that she’s slept longer after formula. All I’d say is do what works for you lovey. If you feel you get to a stage in the day where you need a little break from the bf, then absolutely use formula for a feed, but if you’d rather not then your supply will adjust for what she needs. It’s just tiring getting to that stage, so I feel your pain!

It sounds like she’s gaining well and getting what she needs ❤️ I used to worry about Daisy sleeping longer than 2-3 hours too as a newborn, but I only ever woke her for a feed if it got to 4 hours and she was grand!

Fizzl · 14/07/2021 13:18

@TerribleImagination that's really good to hear - id like to combo feed in the long run - how has it worked out for you? My aim is to get to 4 weeks and possibly start introducing a bottle.

Thanks @SunnySideUp2020 and @scrumdiddly123 for suggesting the dummy - it was a life saver last night! She was just screaming the house down from midnight for an hr and she'd been feeding all night and refusing to feed so I knew it was becoming a comfort thing. We popped the dummy in and within 30seconds she was conked out and slept pretty much all night! We took the dummy out once she was sound asleep but I'm not sure if that's the right thing to do?! I've just read that dummies reduce risk of sids and if you remove it may increase the risk slightly? Anyone know anything about this?

Fizzl · 14/07/2021 13:20

@SunnySideUp2020 also I hope that flight went ok! It gives me hope that we will again have some normality and I won't be forever feeding and changing nappies all day 😂

SunnySideUp2020 · 14/07/2021 15:11

@Fizzl

Ahhh great to hear you had a good night.
We leave the dummy until she spits it out naturally when she is in deep sleep.
And then collect it from the cot. We use the philips avent glow in the dark so i can find it if she wakes up 😉

The flight is tomorrow morning 😬 will let you know!
Tbh i found that normality hasn't come back but we are more efficient at doing things and less stressed so everything goes smoother and it is less tiring as you get more and more confident.
But yeah everything is still a mission when out of the house and the days are long! Sometimes i wish bedtime was 5pm i am so exhausted 😂
But they are sooooo cute. All worth it!

Fizzl · 14/07/2021 16:43

@SunnySideUp2020 do you give it her during the day as well? We hoped not to give it her too much but everything I'm reading says you need to give it consistently at every sleep to reduce risk of sids - seems to conflict the whole breastfeeding advice but hoping it won't cause too many issues as lots of people seem to successfully use dummy and breastfeed so that's reassuring! I just want to do the right thing 😬and keep trying to tell myself the risk of sids is so tiny and we're doing everything else 'right' to reduce any risk. Think this is probably the anxiety of having a baby after loss and overthinking everything. My husband thinks I should just do whatever feels right and is working but I don't know 🤷🏼‍♀️

Fizzl · 14/07/2021 16:44

Oh and good luck with the flight! I'm keen to go abroad next year before I go to work but the idea of flying with a baby fills my husband with dread and he's convinced we'll only be holidaying in the UK for the foreseeable 😂

SunnySideUp2020 · 14/07/2021 17:17

@fizzl
We give it to her whenever she is tired and needs comfort during the day or help to fall asleep or we need to go somewhere and need her to chill out!
At bedtime it is part of the routine to offer her the pacifier but sometimes she falls asleep on my boob so doesnt take it.
And i can confirm it has never interfered with breastfeeding! But she has latched well from day 1.
Some days she will have it a lot and some other day she will barely want it.

Thanks!! I would love to holiday in the UK 😄 i miss it 😢

TerribleImagination · 14/07/2021 18:23

@Fizzl Combi feeding has worked really well 😍 We started from day one, giving Daisy 1-2 bottles a day (mostly 1 really). She went through a refusal stage at around 12 weeks, but we just powered through it and kept offering it and she started taking it again. I’ve just dropped feeds when I wanted to cut back on bf and haven’t had any problems. I’m stopping bf when she’s 6 months (in 2 weeks time!) so I’m down to 1 feed a day now!! 🙈 Combi feeding has deffo been amazing for me being able to have a bit of freedom once the world started to open up 😍

Fizzl · 14/07/2021 20:46

@SunnySideUp2020 that's good to hear - I think I'm definitely sold on the dummy idea now. I'm letting her still cluster feed in an evening to hopefully keep my supply up but I'm not being a human dummy all night if she will settle with a dummy and I can sleep.

@TerribleImagination that's also really positive! Sounds exactly like what I hope will happen as I don't want to be breastfeeding for too long - definitely not beyond a year but I'm also thinking probably 6months will be enough. All the advice I keep reading seems quite against combi feeding so it's great to hear some success stories with it. Think I'm just going to try and chill and go with the flow and figure out what works for us.

Whiffle77 · 15/07/2021 10:13

Hi @fizzl - I'm so sorry about your dog! That's so devastating, and to have it happen now when you are trying to work out your new lives is awful. I think you know when it's time though so I'm sure you made the right choice. I know how much it hurts though.

Sorry to hear you have been back in hospital and having trouble feeding too - we had loads of trouble at the start and I was readmitted for a few days because he had an infection and refused to feed. He then didn't put on weight for many weeks, it was incredibly infuriating and a really traumatising month for us. He is now an absolutely greedy pig though so unimaginable now!!
Cluster feeding - it is unfortunately normal, and it's so tiring. It does pass though and it does go in phases, so it won't always be like this. I think some of it is important to help supply but not to the point where you are exhausted and she is just using you for comfort! We didn't use a dummy because we were so obsessed with getting his weight up so I just kept feeding him, but the other girls have given good advice. I think if she has good latch already then I cant see introducing it will impact that. I would just give it to her when you want to, try not to worry about sids too much (I know this is a ridiculous thing to say!) But just because dummies and breastfeeding might reduce the sids risk doesn't mean that nobody should formula feed or not use a dummy. If that makes sense. The biggest thing is sleeping on their back from what I read (I got a bit obsessed with looking into it!).

Sleep/combi feeding - the lack of sleep is absolute torture but it does get better. My son was such a noisy sleeper that I struggled to sleep even when he was sleeping!! 😂 one thing that helped us was a bottle - I expressed for a few months, and I would go to bed at about 8pm and DS would stay with my husband and he would give him a bottle if he needed a feed. He would then bring him upstairs at about 1 or 2am and hand him over to me, then sleep in the spare room. It meant we both got a guaranteed chunk of good sleep, and even if he was awful on our "shift" we knew it would end! It means no evenings together as a while but it does end. I then changed to formula as expressing is hard work, and like @TerribleImagination I've gradually reduced the breastfeeding down. I do one breastfeed a day, 3 bottles and two meals and he is 7 months. Its worked really well for us too, and has given me more freedom. Ds just gets too distracted to breastfeed unless in a quiet dark room any more which was a big reason for us increasing the bottles. I will drop the last breastfeed at some point.

Waking to feed - we had to do this too, we stopped once he was back above birth weight and gaining properly. We got such conflicting (and awful!) Advice on this. I would say 2 hours is too short, we tried that and it nearly killed all 3 of us - we spent so long trying to wake him up! Plus sleep is where they do their growing so it's important! 3 worked well, then pushed back to 4. Eventually he fed more often than that in the day and less at night which obviously worked well for us.

I've babbled on for ages and not said much different to the other girls, but I know how stressful the first few weeks of feeding can be and it helped me to hear people who had come out the other side!

We are always here if you need to talk more! I think a mother's instunct is really strong too so if you feel what you are doing with anything for dummy/combi/timings is wrong then you are probably right. It's hard not to second guess yourself though and it all seems such hard work in the beginning. It will get easier!

Whiffle77 · 15/07/2021 10:14

Eeek thats both exciting and terrifying @BecsterG how long do you have left? I cant believe how fast this past year or so has gone, I know I will be back at work before I know it!

BecsterG · 15/07/2021 10:22

@Whiffle77 He's booked in from 6th September. I'm looking for a new job so no date but the nursery needs a months notice and I really need to get something in September so he's going to have to go in as I have no other childcare available to me. Ekk He'll be absolutely fine I know but he's my last baby so trying to savour every moment of it.

@SunnySideUp2020 good luck with the flight today. We are flying to my MIL in Spain in August so we have this to look forward too. Our eldest Max was older when we flew abroad but I did fly with him on internal flights when he was a baby and all was fine. I always planned them around nap time. Not sure it will work this time but we'll just have to deal with it. He'll be crawling and cruising up and down the plan! 🤣

@Fizzl pleased the dummy worked and has given you better sleep. My boys refused the dummy for some reason. Sleep is so important.

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Fizzl · 15/07/2021 22:29

Ah thanks @Whiffle77 . We're trying to see the positives now - she'd been solely doted on and spoilt for the past almost 7 years and we think she knew and decided she wasn't coming second best to anyone 😂 there's no way we could have carried on looking after her the way we had been so trying to see it that timing wise maybe it's not all bad as at least now she won't have been unhappy and competing for attention in her last few weeks/months.

Thanks for your advice and sharing your experiences too! It's been so helpful hearing from everyone and being able to weigh up what to do for the best. You're right about the sids risk too - I'm trying to keep that in perspective as it's such a tiny risk and we're doing everything else we can to make sure she's safe when sleeping etc.

The dummy has been a total game changer for us and the health visitor today was very supportive and said you've got to do whatever works best for your baby which made me feel better. Elodie is also back to just over her birth weight which is a huge relief considering only 5 days ago she was down 6.9% and the health visitor said they normally allow 3 weeks for breastfed babies to regain. so I'm feeling more confident that she's getting what she needs and the dummy hopefully won't impact on that. I'm trying to encourage\allow her to feed more often during an evening to keep my supply up but during the day she seems in a pretty good rhythm of going every 3hrs between feeds. She has been so much more chilled and easy to settle these past two days - let's hope it continues 🤞. I always get nervous leading up to bedtime wondering if it's just been a fluke these past few nights with how well she has been settling and sleeping. Also now she's back to birth weight I don't think I'm going to keep waking her anymore.

Next question 😂 - did everyone have the covid vaccine when breastfeeding? I was so adamant I was going to get it straight away and now I'm wobbling a little because of the lack of research. My gut is telling me to have it but I just have this niggling doubt.

Whiffle77 · 22/07/2021 13:08

That's all brilliant news @fizzl, sounds like you are on the right track! How are you getting on? Still OK I hope! And hope you are getting some sleep.

I did get the vaccine but its a very personal choice - pregnant then screwed on Instagram had a lot of specialists giving info on pregnancy and breastfeeding and having the vaccine, so maybe check out some of that before making your choice. I was hopeful that he would get some of the antibodies through my milk too.

Good luck on the job hunt @BecsterG, im sure he will love it there.

Hope your flight was a success @SunnySideUp2020?

Hope everyone is coping in this heat!! DS seems to be coping far better than me, im melting!! Think it is breaking the weekend and we will then be back to moaning about the rain im sure!!

Fizzl · 22/07/2021 19:57

@Whiffle77 we're doing ok I think! Evenings are hard - she just wants to feed constantly. It used to start around 6pm but now seems to be closer to 4 😑 and seems to continue until around 11ish. I'm finding this a bit tedious to be honest because she just cries when she's not on the boob. She can fall asleep feeding and the second I move her she's wide awake again! We're trying to break the evenings up a bit for my sanity so we will go for a walk and then bath her a bit later on just so I get a bit of breathing space amongst the constant feeding. I know this is all apparently normal feeding behaviour but I'm already wishing this time away (and then feel guilty about that!). I find myself feeling anxious in a evening worrying I won't be able to settle her knowing I'm also getting more tired and dread the thought of a sleepless night. Day times are usually pretty good. Nighttime has been pretty good too until last night when she was a little more unsettled but usually I wake her around 3am (plan to stop this only carried this on because of the heat), she then wakes about 6 but then she will sleep until 9ish.

When did everyone find it gets easier in an evening?! I don't know why I'm finding it hard when all I need to do is put my feet up and feed her but I just find it demanding and tiring 😞

It's definitely tricky re the vaccine and very personal choice. I think I'm going to get it, rising cases are worrying me and like you said hopefully baby will get some antibodies too.

Whiffle77 · 29/07/2021 08:50

Sorry for the delay @Fizzl, time just seems to be flying at the minute!

I had similar with DS and it is really hard, and really exhausting. It was always a phase though - in the early days, I think its important to get your supply up. And then other times he was going through a growth spurt I think. It only ever really lasted a week or so max, how are you getting on now? What happens if you give her the dummy instead of the boob, is it just comfort she is seeking or definitely milk? Or what if Dad takes her, does she settle then? I used to go to bed early to get some sleep in first and leave DS with my husband, then we would swop - is this an option for you? Even occasionally would help you build some sleep up.

I remember the evening anxiety and night time dread very well and it is hard. It does pass, and things do settle down and get easier (and then hard again and then easier and then hard...etc!!) Even though you are sitting on the sofa it is still so draining!! Make sure you are eating plenty of cake and drinking lots and lots of fluid. You are doing such a great job, please remember that!

If it is still hard going then there is still the combi feed option - mums sanity is just as important as your baby's needs!

BecsterG · 29/07/2021 21:01

Thanks @Whiffle77

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