TTC graduate sweep stake... Greedy or Honey next?!!

[fettleandbabyfettle]

as suggested by honey!!!

be thinking of you at 1.20pm greeds! my money is on you beating honey by the way!!

xxx

Calmed down a bit now and catching up

Thanks Ready and Bodders

Fettle ? sorry to hear about the non-stop crying glad to hear you had a good night last night though.

Iampg so glad all is well, I can?t believe you finish up in 3 weeks I finish 10 weeks yesterday

Honeyapple ? that?s fab for DD! LOL at the immaculate hair ? mine will look like a haystack in my baby?s first pictures I reckon!

Fettle ? thanks for replying to me earlier sometimes you just need to let off steam! The poo was all DH?s ? gross! He finally woke up at 2, didn?t remember any of it, thought it was all very funny when I told him, wanted to take pics of the poos (god, boys!). He did clear it all up but still insisted on being driven 20mins to the train so he could go into town boozing again ? no hangover (git), no apology or remorse [grrrrr] and he?s left me with the worry that it will all repeat itself again tonight . I agree with you about losing control but then again, I?m in to being in control so maybe that?s why I don?t get it!

Aw, Marcy is GORGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!! Welcome little one - about time too . I was so pleased when I got the text from Mrs - THANKS!!

Not much time to catch up but will do that tomorrow... But just got to say YUK at your story MrsMc - I too would have gone mental if there was puke and poo everywhere. I really hope he's better behaved tonight. I can't believe he didn't have a hangover, thats really unfair. I could have been sure you would have come on here and said he was too ill to go out again. Hope you have a good evening.

Holiday was fab and now DH and I are going to the pub for a drink tonight. MIL already here to DS sit . Why is it tonight that Theo decides not to settle [Grrrrrrrrrrr......]

Will catch up tomorrow

Oh yes, and you looked amazingly / sickeningly gorgeous and well groomed in your photo Greedy ...

Actually before I go mrs, one question... Did DH poo on the window sill or am I reading all this wrong?

OMG!!! Mrs- what a story ... I am yet to understand why men in their thirties still go out and get so trashed... like dont you realise when you have had enough? fortunatley my DP hasnt been quite so drunk for a very very long time... although he still gets pissed and crashes about and then snores horrendously. He is good though and generally doesnt come and bother me and sleeps on the sofabed. The poo bit of your story was really disturbing... i would have been SO mad. Sometimes I wonder whether impending fatherhood makes men go a little awol... I am sure he will behave himself better when your LO is here (I hope!).

Have been having some quite strong pains this evening... and SPD really playing up which is really annoying... not sure if I will be able to cope with labour and shooting pains from bloody SPD . DP is out tonight as well... staying at his BILs. (So i dont have to have him come home drunk!)

Greedy- hope you have another good night. How are the boobs? x

Just to say- pains arent contractions- just pre-labour signs I reckon...

Evening all - suppose you are all watching the match!!

Honey - don't worry too much about your SPD - I've never found mine too bad during labour - except when they wanted me to get on all fours, as that would have been too painful. I'm not sure if it is the pain of contractions or the adrenaline of labour, but the SPD never really bothered me actually during labour!

Mrs - hope you are having a nice quiet, relaxing evening. Toby is a non-crying baby, so I'm hoping this phase lasts - but he does feed often, but then he is a porker!! Already grown out of 0-3 month babygros! Think he's going to be tall - can't think why?!!

Anyway, having been happily sitting in his chair for a while, now I've picked up the computer, he is asking for food in his own quiet little way, so better oblige!! Think I may have thrush in the old boobs, which is a bit of pain (literally - shooting pains inside them - see what doctor says next week).

Anyway, sleep well all, whether with SPD/pre-labour pains, little babies or snoring drunk husbands!!!

xxx

BTW - welcome back Chooster!!

And my kitchen is still standing after DH and dad's DIY efforts and even more amazingly they are still talking to each other!!!
xxx

Greedy - big congratulations and you and marcy look wonderful, despite the ouch birth. Well done.

Honey - hope those pre-labour pains don't keep you from resting tonight

Mrs - poor you, I would have been furious, I cna't imaging you will get much rest while he is out again this evening. Hope you find him better behaved tonight.

Hi Ready - you asked if I still had access to my emails - yep definitely, but not everyday necessarily. Hope you email soon.

I am in Torquay tonight, visiting some relatives, hence access to internet briefly. Hi to everyone.

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Rainbowdays - I have emailed you sweets Hope you are ok?

Firststar - Yes, sorry about cod central - Thanks for keeping fingers crossed for me Hope all the colds (or cods ) are on their way out

Honeyapple - Sorry you are having pains Hope that they subside soon for you. On the home straight now - how exciting

Fettle - PMSL at your attempt at a whisper - Of course Toby is as gorgeous as Marcy - every time I visit this thread (which is too much for my own good at the moment!) I have a peek at Toby - waiting patiently for more pics

MrsMc - OMG I a so shocked at your story!! - Poo everywhere?? Poor you, I hope you are feeling better now. Maybe your DH is trying to prepare you for motherhood?? Poo and wee and vomit You are not unreasonable by the way, far from it, I would have been livid. Good on you for being calm.

Hope everyone else is grand? And still not minding me popping in on this thread

Firsty - so good to hear from you - can't beleive you go back to work so soon, you poor girl [but I am missing my work colleagues myself!] But thanks for adding to my frumpy feeling - lost 4 stone!!!! How did you do that? Exercise, eating less? I'm too tired for the former and too drained with breast-feeding for the latter, she says eating another handful of malteasers!!! But unfairly with DD I put on over 3 stone and lost 2 stone just having her (and she was 4 weeks early). This time only put on just over 2 stone, but only lost 1 stone and he was bigger and heavier - how does that work?????!!!

mrs - how was DH last night? Hope he was a more controlled tipsy?

Honey - how's the bouncing? You realise every time you don't post for a while we'll think you're off pushing!!!!

Ready - always lovely to hear from you! THANKS FOR AGREEING TOBY JUST AS GORGEOUS AS MARCY!!! Oops did I just shout that!! I'll try and post some more pictures - just need to get a supermodel to pose with him first so you all think I'm gorgeous too!!!

Rainbowy - hope your travels are going well.

Big wave to everyone else
xxx

i dont count gas and air as pain relief!!!!!! of course i had some of THAT!!!!! i meant no proper drugs!!! im not a complete fool like bodders!!!!! i wouldn't have been able to do it without gas and air.........i barely managed WITH it!!!!!

and i would now like to backtrack on my post about loving having visitors round!!!!!....................AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! can i change it to saying i LIKE having MY family to visit and help, but NOT my in laws! who have now been here more or less solidly for 2 days! AAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!! i shouted at my FIL yesterday when he interfered when i was telling ds off. i could of (and possibly might have if others weren't around!) punched him!!!

oh, and how any of you can say i look well groomed in my photo is SO funny!!! i NEVER normally wear my hair scraped back like that but i kept sucking it in with the gas and air and choking on it so got dh to tie it back for me!!! i will tell dh that you all think he did a good job with my hair then!!

had 2 not very good nights with Marcy! and exhaustion is creeping in! why do babies behave beautifully during the day and never cry at all so that all your visitors think you have it so easy....and then they wait till you want to sleep at night and decide to start screaming!! she does have quite a cute scream though!!! not anywhere near as loud as dd was (and still is!!). she did a very impressive projectile vomit this morning at 3.30am all over me, herself and our bedclothes! i was so tired i almost couldn't be arsed to change anything, but i did!!!

mrs - OH DEAR!!!! i would NOT be impressed by that!!! the poo was DHs? yuk!!! hope tonight he is a bit more restrained for your sake! i personally would have gone completely apeshit if dh had done that!!! but would OBVIOUSLY of expected him to understand if it was me who had done it!!

honeyapple - you have forgotten what labour is like havent you? or are you just trying to kid yourself? you wont even notice the SPD once you are in the midst of contractions......you will be far too concerned with those pains! OOOOOoooooooo i cant wait for you to have your ickle baby now!!! i bet you cant either!!! i dont mind about the massive sore norks really! i keep thinking that they are sore and then i remember the pain of a few days ago and it just seems like nothing....give me sore boobs anyday!!

firsty - HELLO!!!! long time no speak!!! well done getting back in your jeans already!!!! i have tried my jeans on every day since giving birth....only 4 days i know!!!! not sure why really..maybe to torture myself or depress myself........nowhere near yet anywway!!!

fettle i know what you mean about losing weight!!! i only put on just over 2 stone this time and was really chuffed with myself....and when Marcy got weighed one of the first things i thought was that i would be that bit lighter cos she is that bit heavier, but when i weighed myself when i got home from hospital i had only lost 10lbs!!! HOW does that work????? she was 8lb 9 1/2.........so how can my placenta, my waters, and all that poo only weigh just over 1lb!!!>??? doesnt make any sense to me.......and my boden dress goes nowhere near me for the wedding i have got next weekend!!!

chooster - glad cp was fun, cant believe you are back already. this week has gone so fast...guess thats what having a baby does for you!!

Inlaws have finally gone home, so i can now post this message i have been typing all day!!! we got rid of them about 2.30 after me being rude and nasty again!!! ( not intentionally, just kind of happened!!). then we went out to 'pets corner' and had a lovely afternoon!!!
it was so nice to go and get some fresh air! both my big two had been really playing up and misbehaving for the past 2 days and it was nice to go out and do something normal with them!!

by the way girls..............when do the afterpains stop? i am still getting them quite badly, like really strong period pains. i am sure they had stopped by now last time? when do i start to worry that something is hideously wrong with my uterus!!??

Greedy - I know you are busy being a mum and all, but could I possibly trouble you with a professional question???? DH has been struggling for 2 weeks now with what feels like a "trapped nerve" in his neck. He gets shooting pains every time he turns his head to the left. It is pretty constant, and I keep telling him he needs to visit someone - what do you think??? Sorry for being so selfish and asking for your help

Morning ....

well, no i havent had a baby this weekend, just been busy and havent had the time to post.

Greedy- the afterpains are worse if you are BF cos that makes your womb contract more... my sister has just informed me that after number 3 the pains she had were as bad as her contractions ... so I wouldnt worry about it at all.
And there I was thinking you had NO pain relief and you were sucking merrily away on the gas and air ...
Last night I had a really bad attack from my SPD though... it felt like someone was grabbing and twisting my thigh bones and tendons . It was so bad it made me cry!

firsty- lovely to hear from you . Four stone is very impressive, well done you. What will you do with your wee man when you go back to work? Have you got a nursery or child minder sorted?

hi everyone else xx

Morning all!!

Poor you with the pains, Honey - not long to go now. Hate to say that bouncing on ball good for you but really hurts afterwards - kind of wished /i could bounce forever and never get off! You are rolling over ladylikely with your knees together aren't you? Also if you doing too much walking, it will really hurt - must rest with your legs up - get DP to pull his weight more than ever just for the next few weeks- please go to phsio and get a support belt - hopefully you'll get one of the big velcro ones, rather than the thinner rubbish variety - I had the thinner one when pg with DD and it did nothing, the bigger one was much more effective!

Greedy - no wonder you're grumpy - I could never have coped with people staying (other than my Mum) those first few days and you've just been through day 3 emotions - they should have understood all that. afterpains went on for about 5-6 days I think and they were much more sore than last time - hate to say it that you are onto your third so they will be even more painful! My boobs were agony for a few days too, but it won't last long - tomorrow you'll feel like a different woman I think!! how's the feeding going? It is hard at first - I so nearly gave up this time around, but I'm so pleased I didn't, it is so much easier to whip your boob out that make up a bottle when you have a hungry baby!!!

Read a really worrying statistic that 9/10 woman in the UK stop breast-feeding in the 1st 6 weeks! I know it is just not right for many women, but this country needs to do more for supporting those who are finding it hard and a little help will make them continue for longer. Not sure where that rant came from - completely supportive of everyone's decision to do what is best for them and their baby. Think it stemmed from a thread I read recently about Theo Walcott fronting a breast-feeding campaign.

Only got today left with help from my Mum, she and dad leave tomorrow, so from Wednesday I'm going to have to do the school run - not quite sure how at the moment, but I think as soon as I have to get up at 7.30am, I'll manage it. Easy to depend on help if it is there. It's half-term next week anyway (how did that happen so quickly!!!).

Right must go - off out shopping.

take care all
xxx

Hello everyone!

Well, I can't start without passing comment on your DH MrsMc - even though I'm sure it's all forgiven and forgotton now I love Ready's comment about him preparing you for impending motherhood - she forgot to add sleepless nights to the wee and poo But seriously, if it had been my DP, I would have thrown him out for a week - after he had cleaned up, obviously. The fact that he was almost proud of it the next day and thought it funny is unbelievable! Maybe it was his way of hiding his embarrassment.

Greedy - Fettle's right - visitors and Day 3 don't mix well. Hope you're feeling a bit better now that you've managed to offload the rellies. It's hard trying to keep as normal as possible for your older kids when all you want to do is hide under the duvet, cry and sniff your baby's head (obviously, not that you would put your baby under the duvet!) Make sure you take advantage of anyone who offers to take the kids off your hands for a bit so you can have a bit of special baby time alone. Anyway, I'm sure you know all this, what with it being your 3rd and all I think the afterpains carried on for a couple of weeks for me - even after my womb had contracted down, the sensation of my organs settling back into place was quite uncomfortable! And the bleeding carried on much longer this time - about 4-5 weeks I guess.

Firsty - lovely to hear from you! WOW - 4 stone - bloody hell! That is so impressive! I think I am actually putting weight on still My jeans that I got back into relatively quickly are getting really tight around my thighs! Think it is because I am eating loads of crap and biscuits while BF! The second lot of jabs didn't seem to cause Isla any problems at all, although I gave her some Calpol just before bedtime just in case. I did manage to squeeze her leg where the needle had gone in while trying to get her into a babygro and couldn't work out why she let out such a howl - but then remembered it is quite tender there for a while.

Chooster - glad you had a great holiday. How did Theo sleep while you were away? Did you take him in the pool much?

Fettle - don't worry, I'm sure you'll soon settle into some kind of routine in the mornings. In some ways I find week days easier as we're all up and doing at the same time and then the rest of the day falls into a much better routine for Isla, whereas weekends, I just let her sleep when she wants and it gets a bit complicated towards the afternoon when she's knackered at 5.30pm ,but it's too late for a nap!

Honeyapple - bet you will be very glad to get this baby out - those SPD pains sound really grim.

Hello Ready - how was your weekend?

Morning ladies my baby is due 3 months today ? why is it then that it feel like a lot longer than 6 months that I have been pregnant? This 9 month thing is just a myth isn?t it?

Hey Chooster nice to have you back did you have a lovely time? DH would be mortified if he knew that you know what he did ? I feel like I?ve betrayed him a bit but I was soooo cross!!! He called about 8.30 on Sat night to ask me to get him from Livingston, he was drunk but not too bad and he was feeling lousy yesterday and has a really bad cold today so think he agrees that he overdid things. Also, at the head wetting, his pal told all the boys that his wife had pooped during the birth I?d be furious if DH told his mates that I did that! Hope Theo settled down enough for you to go to the pub I?ve bid for a Nature?s Nest on ebay by the way, we?ll see if I get it! And yup, DH must have thought the window sill in the lounge was the loo?!

Hey Honeyapple thanks for the outrage for me! Sorry to hear about your pains

Fettle ? Toby sounds so lovely, I can?t believe he has already grown so much! Great result on the kitchen front! DH was better on Sat night thankfully! All our graduate babies are gorgeous ? there is no scale I am so glad you said that about the stats, I find myself getting annoyed when friends tell me after day 1 that BF was not working and that I shouldn?t persevere if it doesn?t happen easily right away, I want to BF more than anything and I will damn it! like you, I am not judging anyone else but I do expect support for my own thoughts on it from friends and family ? DH was bottle fed, MIL thinks BFing is a ?fad?

Rainbowdays thanks hon. Hope you are ok on the road

Hey Firsty lovely to hear from you ? fab catch up! re the consultant and Addisons - it is pretty amusing when you think about it that she thought that I, of all people, do not produce enough stress hormones!? I am wired to the moon most of the time! I think DH?s ex did recognise him; she has been frosty and had avoided eye contact with me on all occasions, now I know why! Hope you are all feeling a lot better wow, you have lost so much weight!? Well done are you much less now then when you got pregnant? Please don?t think too badly of my DH that really was the worst he?s ever been! Can?t believe you go back to work so soon

Ready if that was DH?s attempt to prepare me for motherhood, I?ll have to get my own back to prepare him for fatherhood! but it won?t involve poo, pee or booze!!

Hey Greedy do I see a name change coming on? I feel for you re the visitors, that?s what I am worried about ? all my family are hours away but DH?s parents might think they can camp out my baby proofing your marriage book would say that it?s up to your DH to tell them to back off, good advice I reckon!! Sorry Marcy doesn?t like sleeping at night ? who programmes these babies?! Re DH, he told me yesterday with all the confidence in the world that labour is no where near as sore as a slipped disc and he?s been told by his mates to remind me of that during labour ? I reckon they want us to get divorced don?t you?! Lalallalal can?t hear what you are saying about pain lalalallalalala!!!

Hello Bodders I got the sleepless night from DH too!!! none of DH?s friends? wives would have put up with that ? I must be such a mug but what choice did I have! My Grandpa used to behave like that in his youth ? my Mum?s told me these after pains sound horrible glad Isla was ok after her jags and that she?s forgiven you for squeezing her leg

Lunchtime now no work done yet, just catching up!

Mrsmc- If you are that definite that you want to BF then i am absolutely sure it will work out brilliantly for you. With my DS I didnt find the latching on a problem, it was just that he was feeding SO much that it did make my nips sore... but I gritted my teeth... and after a week it was fine, and i never looked back . Dont be put off by your MIL. Is your own mum supportive of BF? Were you BF?
BTW Dont worry about telling us about your DH's antics the other night. Slipped disc- worse than labour??? where did that one come from... men have NO IDEA!!

Thanks for everyone's kind words regarding my bloody pelvis...I have just moderated a back support belt thing of DPs and wore it around the supermarket... no twinges! But felt kind of weird and tight, thought I was squashing LO! (It has definitely put me off having more kids BTW)

Right, cup of tea is required before i set off for picking up DC.

Glad that belt seems to be working Honey. I need to talk to the MW about my back, it was really bad yesterday, I couldn?t stand up from sitting without it being agony and then every now and then it would shot a pain down my pelvis ? even worse when you have to stop suddenly in the supermarket because someone steps out in front of you maybe I am just being a woose!

Thanks for the confidence boost about the BFing. I read the Health Scotland pamphlet at the weekend and it got me a bit worried. I think I thought that you?d express and sterilise stuff later on and just concentrate on latching on to begin with but it was saying that a lot of babies are too tired to feed at first or need to be fed by cup so you need to express. I was thinking I could wait to get a steriliser and pump but maybe not, what?s your advice? Also, is there anyway I can prepare myself in advance? I was BF as were my 2 sisters, for 6 weeks each as my Mum went back to work then My Mum thinks it?s the best diet there is! . My sister has BF both of her boys for 6 months each which is ideally what I?d like to do; she is down South though so not here to help me. I know that one of my DH?s friends? wives gives sessions to Mums because she coped so well with her 1st baby and fed him for a year but I know the 2nd one has been far harder.

mrsspooks - re; boobyfeeding - get all the help locally that you can, there are plenty of breastfeeding support groups, ask at your antenatal classes (if you are going) or your m/ws' should know. Sometimes there are lactation consultants, with ds I found one that was brilliant, as I had a tough time feeding ds as he had a tongue-tie. But help got me through to the easy phase that comes later. Plenty of drinking of water and rest is imperitive to breastfeeding. It is difficult but the more relaxed you are the easier it is. Also with expressing, it is important to be relaxed too, watching tv helped me!!! If you are trying to increase your supply, then express more, but don't expect much milk to come out, especially if you are expressing between feeds, after a couple of days of extra expressing the milk supply increases accordingly and the milk starts flowing. Most important thing is not to worry about how much they are taking or how long they are feeding for. Latch on well and let them take the lead, as long as they are having wet nappies then you are doing fine, poo-ey nappies can be less frequent with bf babies (and less smelly!), also they tend to put on less weight, there are separate weight charts for bf vs formula fed babies. Phew, I did not mean to write so much - hope you got through all this!

greedy - yep it is true that the afterpains get worse with each subsquent pg... arggg, wish I had thought of that before now....

Sorry - work is calling me, will try to come back later if I can.

Thank you

Mrs- I have never expressed my milk, i did try with DS, but not until he was about 3 mths old i think... but I had a manual pump and found the whole thing impossible... a lot of effort for very little milk coming out. I figured he was much more efficient at getting the milk out with his mouth! I did need to give him the odd bottle (or rather my mum did) cos I was in the last yr of my degree when I had him so had lectures to go to etc... so he had the odd bit of formula. So personally I wouldnt worry about pumps and stuff to start of with... agree with rainbowdays about letting your baby take the lead . A lot of people get anxious cos their baby doesnt put on much weight to begin with when BF, you dont have any substantial milk until about day 3- and often women get unhelpful advice from an older relative to give them a bottle... not needed. I dunno why your milk doesnt come for 3 days, but I guess it is how nature intended. But it is great when you see your baby grow and you think- "I DID THAT!" I cant wait to BF again!

Been having some contractions BTW! Not sure whether pre-labour though... Will let you know later!

x

Exciting about those contractions Honey I read in that brochure that new borns can go 2 days without any milk at the start as that is how they are made and its so they can get over the birth without suffering.

Contractions!!! Woo, another grad baby might be on the way There's no getting rid of me now [winik]

I really want to BF (if I ever bloomin get the chance!!) but I have been really surprised at the amount of people who find the idea of BF distasteful. I was bottle-fed and my mum even told me the other day that she thought breasts were sexual and not for babies Honestly!! I was astounded! But apparently, she is not alone