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becklespeckle · 27/09/2007 00:28

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MrsMcSpooky · 22/10/2007 14:51

Gingercat ? I hope you feel much better soon PMSL at you being caught looking at that site!

Mich10 ? best advice I can give is to give yourself some time. I went back to work straight away thinking I needed to have something else to think about, I was wrong, I needed time to sleep and come to terms with my grief. My DH was very matter of fact too, I found it hurtful but ultimately, I was happy for him that he didn?t share the depth of my pain. Be kind to yourself and your body x

gingercat12 · 22/10/2007 15:21

Mich Just take your time. Everybody needs time to reflect. There is a whole week I can hardly remember after my MC last year. I must have just been pottering about the house. You can always talk to us. I am sure your DH wants the best for you, he just does not know how to help.

becklespookle · 22/10/2007 15:27

Mich10 - so for you, I too found I needed time and when I did return to work I felt very disconnected for a while. Everybody is different but I found going back too soon after my last m/c made the recover process longer. Men are definitely less emotional about m/c as I don't think they always see it as a baby before it is born, also I think it is their way of coping with the loss. My DH found the fact that I was suffering far harder than the loss of our child.

Floss - glad you are okay and saw your tiny LO and heartbeat! Fab news!

Sorry not a longer one from me (busy with work and also half-term so trying to juggle kids and telephone!) but 'hi' to everyone, hope you are all healthy and well. Sending big baby snuggles to Toby and Mairwen too!

Mich10 · 22/10/2007 16:42

Thank you all for your kind words and advice, I promise I won't put dh under the patio for his "matter of fact" approach.

I've ordered the book MrsMcSpooky suggested online (couldn't face the bookshop)and here's hoping it will give me some ideas as to what is going on.

MrsMcSpooky · 22/10/2007 16:47

Good plan Mich x

feedmenow · 22/10/2007 18:11

Sorry to be posting on here with other stuff, but I am truly miserable and need a bit of TLC. Can someone please explain men to me? Two of the biggest things me and dp argue about are the amount of time/how often he goes down the pub. The other big thing is him lying to me, mainly about going down the pub and how much he has had to drink.
Now obviously I am pg and knackered and most of the time want to go to bed pretty early, so I've understood dp going down the pub after the kids (and I!) are all in bed cos he must get a bit bored. But he just seems to find excuses to go there just about every day. Often he justifies it cos he's only been there half an hour, or only had one pint, but it makes me feel sick that he can't go more than a day or maybe two without visitng the place for something. "I just needed to pop in to give so-and-so something" or "I needed to get a number of so-and-so".

And the amount of times I've asked if he's been there and he's said no (more than once when I have already SEEN him there)amazes me.
So tonight I get in and within 2 mins ask if he's been down the pub to which there is about a 5 second pause (which I KNOW means he was considering his answer carefully) before saying "yes, I had a coke" and we carry on. A few mins later his manner leads me to ask if he's sure he didn't have a pint to which he says "yes, I already told you that". Obviously I lost the plot and started yelling that he'd lied to me AGAIN, cos he specifically said he'd had coke.
I know one pint isn't the end of the world, but I'm so god damn tired of being lied to and I'm even more tired that he has no understanding of how upset I feel that he'd rather go down the pub, and will prioritise going down the pub, over being with me and the children.

I just don't understand why the damn place is so important to him, why it has to interfere with our lives so much. I mean, what is reasonable? How many times a week do normal men go to the pub? None of my family or friends are like this, and I'm so miserable.

And now I have to go to my first yoga in pregnancy class with red eyes and tear streaked cheeks and a runny nose when all I want to do is curl up and cry.

Bouncingturtleskulls · 22/10/2007 18:44

Feedmenow - you poot thing {{{{hugs}}}} I am [Shock] at your DH's behaviour, he does not need to be down the pub every night!! Once or twice a week, maybe, but that's it! No wonder you are upset. Not sure what to suggest except sitting down with him and telling him plainly that you are not happy with it. If he is bored, tell him to find something else to do!

Bouncingturtleskulls · 22/10/2007 18:44

I did go into work today, wasn't too bad, had absolutely loads to do but at least left at 5pm!

ejt1764 · 22/10/2007 20:42

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{feedmenow}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} ... gentle pats and hugs to you!

Do you still want the vbac hypnotherapy CDs? Now the postal strike is over, I can put them in the post to you ifyou email me your address - my email is: eirian dot thomas at gmail dot com

madly at everybody else, before going to plug small baby into boob! "Healthy and well, healthy and well!"

Glimmer - when I was a kid, we lived about 1 mile from the nearest bus stop: the walk from there after we'd been anywhere seemed to last forever: it was along a busy main road ... anyway, my mum used to try and make it more bearable (and make us walk quicker!) by getting us to chant: "We haven't got far to go now, we haven't got far to go, clap, clap" ... (try saying it to a marching rhythm, clap are quick) .... I'm saying that to you now - the end is in sight!

Right, with that mad ramble, I'm off!

becklespookle · 23/10/2007 01:12

Feedmenow, I am not surprised you are feeling miserable, rant away as much as you need to. It does seem unreasonable for him to go to the pub every night, wouldn't a couple of times a week but for longer be better for everyone than just 'popping in' for half an hour or so? He probably lies to you because he knows you will be cross he went to the pub. Men are simple creatures and it probably does not occur to him that you would be more upset/angry with a lie. I have no real advice but am sending you huge huge {{{hugs}}}.

MrsMc, meant to say earlier to keep thinking healthy and well! Waiting for a scan is nerve wracking at any point in pg I think. Also, don't know if it helps but lately my LO also seems to have a couple of days now and again where it is very quiet and doesn't seem to move much. S/he usually then makes up for it though with a couple of days of lots of movement! I wonder if it is perhaps when s/he turns round and kicks to the inside? Or maybe has a growth spurt for a few days and is tired out? Hope you get lots of reassurance on Thursday x

EllieG · 23/10/2007 09:24

feedmenow - hugs to you lady x My DP won't stop smoking and lies about it, and that's what drives me bananas more than the smoking. I hate him thinking I am a complete idiot, but after our last ginormous row about it at the weekend (well a bit one-sided, I just shouted at him)I thought that I might be over-reacting just a teensy-weensy bit, and since shouting is not making him stop, I will try not doing it and save myself getting all het up.
Do you think your DP has a prob with alcohol use, or is it just that he enjoys a pint? I'm probably not making much sense, but what am trying to say is that if is really important, then keep on dealing with it. If not, then maybe save yourself some hassle and try and chill about it? Sorry if sounding patronising x

EllieG · 23/10/2007 09:49

Ok, this is probably a silly question...
I was feeling my tummy to see if could feel the baby or uterus this morning and then thought, could I have hurt it by prodding too hard? Is that possible?

flosspot · 23/10/2007 09:49

Morning all- sickness has kicked in and bizarrely I'm really happy about it. The scare has made me even more nervous, so countig the days until next scan.

"Healthy and well, healthy and well"

ejt1764 · 23/10/2007 12:14

Ellie - your baby is all nice and cushioned in there in a lovely bag of fluid ... your poking and prodding (in fact the most determined prodding of a toddler - who have the pokiest fingers known to man!) won't harm babe ...

healthy and well ...

ejt1764 · 23/10/2007 12:15

flosspot - hurray for morning sickess (bizarre thought that seems!)

EllieG · 23/10/2007 12:30

Thanks ejt!
You and LO doing OK today?

MrsMcSpooky · 23/10/2007 12:32

Afternoon ladies how are you all?

Feedmenow ? this thread is for all worries hon so don?t apologise sorry you are feeling low, sending huge hugs. I?m afraid I can?t explain men though! I can sort of empathise on this though. My Dad has always drunk a lot and spent a lot of our childhood at the pub which made my Mum angry because she thought he should be with us in the evenings so rather than making home a welcoming place when he did get back, she made it horrible for him so he stayed out even more. Funnily enough, now we have all left home, he never goes to the pub I?ve learnt from that in my own relationships and if DH wants to go to the pub, he goes and stays for as long as he likes ? often, he?ll come home earlier than he says he is going to so he can be with me. I figure that I wouldn?t want him telling me what I can and can?t do so I can?t expect to do that to him either BUT that said, my DH never goes to the pub mid week. I can understand why you think your DH has an unhealthy obsession with the pub ? do you think he finds it hard to be with the kids? Finds them exhausting or feels he doesn?t know how to help? Just a suggestion. I?m reading ?How to Baby Proof your Marriage? at the mo and it says that the number of Dads that take up challenging hobbies which take them away from the home a lot is really high because a lot of men feel that they don?t know how to help at home. I always think that is why the men in my office stay late, so that the kids are fed, bathed and asleep before they get home. We?re here for you hon. Hope you are feeling a bit better today xx

Bouncing ? glad to hear you left at 5 hon

Hey Ejt ? lol at your chant to Glimmer glad to hear that all is going well

Beckle ? thanks hon all those thoughts on why the baby might have a quiet day sound really sensible. I got a really hard boot last night in bed; it actually gave me a real shock as it was down my left side

EllieG ? poor you, it must be a vicious circle with the smoking. Don?t worry about prodding, the baby?s well insulated

Flosspot ? hope the sickness stays long enough to be reassuring but no longer

feedmenow · 23/10/2007 14:36

Thanks for the kind words and hugs ladies. I'm not crying today, so that is good. But I am still so bloody angry!

I understand the idea that the more I moan the more he won't want to be at home, etc, but unfortunately I don't think not maoning makes any difference. This is a problem that we just go round and round in circles with. It always gets to the stage where we have a huge barney and he promises to change (in the past this has been by many different means, for eg, a) not drinking at all at home, only down the pub, b) only going down the pub, say, twice a week c) only going down the pub twice a week or for other "occasions", d) only drinking beer in the pub twice a week and having coke the rest of the time, e) only going down the pub after the kids are in bed, etc, etc, etc.) Whichever method he has come up with works for a few weeks then starts slipping back to the old ways. But whenever he has come up with a suggestion, I go with it and don't moan at all. Yet he always ends up going out more and more, and lying about it to boot!

I have tried so hard to encourage him to take up other things - 5-a-side football, golf at the putting range, poker nights with friends. But the only people he seems to really view as friends are those that are down the pub 7 days a week, and that take the mickey out of him for "not being allowed" to do the same himself.

One of the things that makes me most cross is the lack of equality. I mean, as he sometimes points out I can go out whenever I want. But that just isn't true when there are children involved. My day consists of getting the children to school, getting me to work, picking the children up from school, going home and sorting homework, housework, dinner, etc. Where in that lot can I just pop down the pub (or the equivalent)? Everything I do has to take into account the children.

The other week, I was out 3 evenings in a row. Once for about 4 hours, the next night for 1.5 hours and the next night for 2 hours. Obviously he couldn't go down the pub (except he managed to quickly after work for a pint!) So the next night (a Saturday) I thought it would be nice for us to spend the evening together as I felt like I had hardly seen him. However, his thoughts seemed to be that he hadn't been able to go down the pub properly (particularly bad on his favourite Friday evening out) so he wanted to go down the pub.

Oh, just look at me, ranting on again. I know that no-one can really say anything to help. But I just feel so frustrated about it. I really feel like it will be the damn pub that will be the end of our relationship eventually. It feels like a terminal illness in our relationship, something which I have no power over whatsoever. How depressing is that when there are already children involved, and another one on the way?

Anyway, I shall stop all this now and will tell you about my yoga last night instead! How bizarre! The teacher was in a flowing orange robe thing, and sat down watching and instructing the whole time! I get the impression that she is, perhaps, a little scary!! But I intend to persevere with it as I think it can only do good with preparing my body for late pregnancy and labour.

MrsMcSpooky · 23/10/2007 14:44

What do the other halves of the people he meets have to say about this? It does seem incredibly unfair that he leaves so much of the parenting to you

feedmenow · 23/10/2007 15:48

To my knowledge, his mates other halves aren't too fussed. (although I don't know them, so I can't actually say for fact. I don't mean to be snobby, but I get the impression that in the pub he drinks in, this type of behavious is just a way of life. I think maybe that alot of their other halves don't work either, so maybe it is viewed as acceptable for the breadwinner to do as he wishes with his money while little un-wage-earning wifey stays at home?

Anyway, listen to me off on one again!!

Is it your scan this Thurs Mrsmc? And did you get anywhere with your ebay bid for the natures nest?

EllieG · 23/10/2007 16:14

Seems a bit unfair on you feedmenow - I'd be cross too.
I went to pregnant lady yoga on sat - my teacher is a little odd too, but think it goes with the territory

DonDons · 23/10/2007 16:31

feedmenow sending you hugs but don't really know what else to suggest....maybe get some quiet revenge and put some laxatives in his tea or something ... bit cruel but might make you feel a bit better for a short while.

flosspot - I give you a week and you'll be desperate for the MS to stop... I'm 3 days clean (ha ha) after 9 weeks of it and I don't miss it a jot!

Heard heart beat today at MW appointment but she said 'ooh there's nothing of you is there?' so I think I have been imagining a bump (although DH says I look like an egg).

Good luck for your scan MrsMcS

Ellie the sonographer gave me some right old hammer last week at my scan so I think your prodding will be absolutely fine.

MrsMcSpooky · 23/10/2007 16:51

Feedmenow ? I understand perfectly, I really hope you find a way round it hon Scan?s on Thursday yes, a little nervous and a little excited if you see what I mean I have been a disaster on ebay, I haven?t won anything yet. The nest (well all 3) went for more than I was prepared to pay for a 2nd hand one so I wasn?t that bothered but I missed out on a brand new Fisher Price Rain Forest Bouncer last night by 50p and had I bid that, I would have got it for £27 when the RRP is £49 oh, well, I?ve got time to keep trying!!

DonsDons - how exciting hon it?s a fab noise isn?t it? Thanks for the good vibes for my scan

flosspot · 23/10/2007 17:24

I love ebay- got a practically brand new pushchair/travel system for £132 (retail £500)and a whole heap of maternity clothes for literally £5....yet the one thing I lost out on was a Stokke cradle that I had set my heart on...htat's the most annoying thing ever....

Mich10 · 23/10/2007 18:01

MrsMcSpooky - Good luck for the scan on Thursday I hope all goes fabulously.

Still lurking but going to go now (this addiction to mn can not be good for me or my job prospects).

Just wanted to thank you all one last time for your support and say good luck with the rest of your pg's, scans, morning sickness and errant dh's.

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