Posifrickinspring thread for PG after MC!

[BertieBotts]

If we can't be positive about the weather what can we be?

Welcome posters new and old.

Great to see you here @NoCatsHere! And welcome other new joiners including @keepinghopeful - hope your stays are uneventful!

I had my last day at work yesterday, but have brought home a box of papers I didn't quite get round to sorting. I felt completely numb about it, very strange as I have been so emotionally connected to my job (in both good and bad ways) for so long. Perhaps it's still a protective thing where I find it hard to accept this is happening. Or it could be that I'm so tired I can't process anything!

Thanks flat it’s so nice to be here among familiar names! And hi to juniper too! Juniper I think being connected to work is quite normal, after all it’s what we are used to for so long it feels odd to leave it for potentially your new job as a Mum. I think it’ll take a few days to adjust to not being there.

It’s crazy how happy I feel. And also safe for another day because af isn’t due til Monday I feel nothing can go wrong yet. I know from Monday onwards the knicker checking will start, for now I’m enjoying being in my bubble. I also still haven’t told my OH, I like the secret and not having to worry about it with anyone else. I know that sounds bonkers...

So yesterday my manager said that maybe I should tell some other staff that I'm currently pregnant (part of my line of work deals with some heavy bits here and there. It's so they know why they're helping me out more. It makes sense). But as soon as she said it my heart fell into my stomach.

Today I have received my dating scan appointment (only had my booking in one on Monday). To say I want to bury my head in the sand for eternity is an understatement and a half!

Its so hard unicorns. At 5 weeks Im at the stage I don't want to even say the words out loud for fear. It's so difficult...

Dear oh dear. Another one having an anxious period at the moment. I had a week when I thought I felt some movements every day but the past few days I'm not so sure so I'm worrying that it has all gone wrong. I know it is still very early for me to be feeling movements and that can't be relied on. It also didn't help when I went to the loo last night and thought I saw some blood. Turned out it was just a bit of dark blue fluff that had made it into my undies from my new jeans!

My 20 week scan isn't for another 2 and a half weeks. Feels like forever away. I've been contemplating booking another private scan for tomorrow evening but I really wanted to try and hold out.

@keeponrunning85 I feel the same way. Had movements almost every day the last week and last 2 days nothing. I wonder if baby has moved or placenta has moved as they've grown or something. I'm 18wks tomorrow but have to wait another 3.5 weeks for my "20 week" scan!

unicorns it’s nice of your manager to care but I also understand how you feel about burying your head in the sand. Im in denial about any booking in appointments and think I will head to the doctors if I make it to 6 weeks... I’ll only be 4 weeks tomorrow. God it’s going to drag isn’t it?!

grumpy keepon every milestone is such torture. I would be very tempted too to book a private scan in. It’s such a shame they cost so much. Hope you feel movements today.

Hello everyone - has anyone had acupuncture in the first 12 weeks? The place I was thinking of going to just before I got this bfp does fertility acupuncture but I’ve looked on their website and they say they can also help with making sure the foetus firmly implants if you’ve experienced miscarriage before. The place comes highly recommended to me, I sort of in that desperate must try everything and make this one stick place!

I’ve been having acu since the summer/autumn for fertility and am carrying on with it now nocats. It’s 5 elements acupuncture and she’s accredited by some childbirth trust thing so quite official sounding. I checked with the consultant she was happy for me to keep going and I had a lovely session yesterday.

I’ve had a totally mental panic today. Felt knickers go wet and had a tiny bit of rust coloured stuff. No proper spotting or bleeding, no cramps or back pain, but scared the absolute shit out of both of us. We’ve been painting and decorating our room and DH blanched and let me do cutting in before sitting still while he did everything else. I feel fine and had nothing since in hours but I was so stressed I nearly puked.

Bit of a dilemma now, I was told to start using the cyclogest if I had any spotting, severe back pain or cramps, but I don’t know now.

lisa, can I ask you about it?

I don’t know why I’m hesitating. I think because if I’m going to miscarry I’d rather it just happened and got on with it. The doctor said if I was on progesterone if the pregnancy failed I wouldn’t know till a scan. Neither of us can really handle the idea of that again.

But am I being a stupid twat? I have it, it might help, do I just do it?

Oh Anne. Sorry to hear about that. I have no experience of taking cyclogest but is it worth starting and trying to get a scan ASAP? If you didn't take them and it was the worst case scenario would you then wonder if things would have been different if you had? For what is it worth, I think if I was you and would take it.

It is all such a rollercoaster with so much to worry about. I do find the weekends difficult with less to occupy my mind. It is a bit sad when you look forward to going back to work on a Monday!

Anne, how many weeks are you? I've had single spots of rust or pink type colour early on both when we had sex (I assume from irritated cervix?) and then when my period would have been due at 8 weeks ish. I found it nerve wracking each time but it didn't get any heavier and so I didn't really count it as spotting. I did go right off sex though!

I don't know about cyclogest either, sorry.

7 weeks. Just read the leaflet, wish I could bloody well decide what to do

Didn’t have sex last night but I did get fanny daggers yesterday evening and had a few mild stabs after the not quite spotting earlier. Had it again just now but it’s really so faint, not even really brown or rusty, but with some colour all the same. My cervix feels closed and like normal.

Completely spiralling anyway as now think I’ve got lower back ache but I was painting for a while and moving things around. Probably all in my head

Thank you both. I can’t explain why I’m so hysterical, sorry. Bloods were good. Scan was great only a few days ago. Statistically it’s all going okay.

Still freaking out though.

Anne, I'm not surprised you're freaking out. I've had plenty of completely unprompted freak outs. The anxiety is completely overwhelming at times.

Hopefully one of the ladies who has used cyclogest will be along soon, but please, use this forum for what it is intended as much as you need to.

Thank you so much

The box says one up the vag at night. Sure I remember the doc saying you can put it up your arse instead which makes it less likely to leak out.

dear god the glamour

I had a horrendous time on a high progesterone pill a few years ago and I know it would only be 5 weeks and I want this pregnancy to continue more than abutting, but I’m worried about feeling like death when I have to keep it from work for as long as possible.

@AnneLovesGilbert ah sorry you are feeling like this it is horrible. The consultant has put me on cyclogest this time just for recurr mc, they are 200mg one in morn & one at night up vag .. whether theyll help me or not who knows. They are giving me no side effects so far

Thank you @keepinghopeful

Mine are 400mg so I guess it’s once a day. Do you have to use a pad to stop it making a mess? How long have you been on it? I’m wondering if it’s too late now at 7 weeks. And have you had sex since you’ve been using it? Hope that’s not too intrusive!

Only on ita week so far @AnneLovesGilbert as i only found out preg at start of week. I do wear a pad but dont actually find it messy, try to push it up far as i can & then i lie down for 10mins or so & night time im in bed anyway. Havent had sex yet since bfp (too scared) but id do it before id put it in ... not intrusive at all 😊.

I think if i were you id prob start it but thats me cause if anythin did happen id wonder if i used the cyclogest would it have made a difference however i am a severe over analyser!!

Hi anne, I'm so sorry that you're having this stress. I don't know if you remember this from before, but my doctor told me the 'progesterone causes missed miscarriages' thing is a myth - she said it is true that it'll stop your uterine lining bleeding, but it can't stop pregnancy tissue passing so you will still bleed if you miscarry. I have no idea which of our doctors are right, though, and I totally get the fear of a missed miscarriage. You'll be being scanned fortnightly anyway, right? It did definitely make me even more determined that I was going to have regular scans - I had four in the first trimester (two NHS, two private).

I did find them a bit messy, and that it was nicer to use a pantyliner - but it wasn't horrendous. I tried putting them up the bum as an alternative, but that gave me a sore bum after a few days (TMI!) so went back to the vag. Mine were also twice a day, and the morning one was much more annoying as it came out more, so evening-only would be better. I always put it in after sex and I think you'd have to - it seemed to take about 30 mins to dissolve.

I didn't find my symptoms on it too bad - I bloated up a lot, but that was it, really. It's hard to tell, though - I had pretty mild first trimester symptoms anyway. Lots of people have much worse times with it, but then lots of people who don't take it have much worse times than I did with nausea - so it's so hard to know what's the progesterone and what isn't. What I will say is that I tried the progesterone-only pill for contraception years ago and had to stop taking it because I reacted so badly, but that doesn't seem to have made me susceptible to its side-effects in this particular form at all.

Obviously I did take it - and I guess I'm glad I did, though who knows whether or not it made any difference? - but I don't think you're stupid to hesitate at all. The data seems to suggest that it doesn't make much difference either way, so if it's going to make you feel worse because you'll be constantly worried about MMC, then I think there's a good case to not do it.

Anne sorry about the scare, the first weeks are so very stressful after loss. I understand why you are a bit hesitant on starting the progesterone, especially if you have had side effects from it previously. I had to have it this time, as we eventually conceived via IVF. However, my clinic was happy for me to stop at 10 weeks, as that's when they considered the placenta to produce sufficient amounts on its own. We also had scans every other week to make sure we would know about a mmc as soon as possible (also my big fear). I can't quite remember, but won't you get additional scans with the rmc? It could perhaps help with your fear of continuing a non-viable pregnancy, should you choose to take the cyclogest. And they might also agree on letting you stop at 10 weeks, if you really experience bad side effects.

Don't know if this is helpful, I really wish for you to have an uneventful pregnancy. And as we all know, most likely all will be well. But it's so hard to believe that.

The information about the PROMISE trial - which showed it isn't an effective treatment, but also doesn't do any harm (including not delaying miscarriage) is here: www.miscarriageassociation.org.uk/research/the-promise-trial/. I decided on the basis of this that 'I might as well' - but my doctor was also encouraging me to take it, too. There's a strong argument that not taking it would be the more logical decision.

Morning. I've got a scan this afternoon and I'm so freaked out that they won't see a heartbeat. It's just a scan to measure the length of my cervix but I'm guessing they'll look at baby a bit too? Anyone had one?

They did it at my last one kirin, we did get to see a heartbeat as well. It will probably be internal just to let you know.

Thanks @BertieBotts I am anticipating an internal. In one of very many EPU scans they actually told me my cervix was long so hopefully nothing has changed. It's just the heartbeat I'm concerned about. I'm 16w nearly and don't really have any symptoms now other than bloating and feeling really fat!

Hi @anne sorry to hear about what you are going through. I was put on Cyclogest after my 9 week scan. Had bleeding inside and a large cyst on my ovary. Just had scan at 11 weeks 5 days to follow up and cyst has only slightly grown and bleeding greatly reduced. Baby happy and healthy, still measuring to dates and strong heartbeat. I'll admit the Cyclogest kind of floored me with fatigue, nausea and constipation but I was put on 400 mg twice a day which seems high compared to others I've talked to. I haven't told work yet either but managed to not take any sick days somehow! I've since started just taking one 400mg in the evening and now I dont even notice side effects. Thinking of you, whatever you go with.