Hyperemesis Support

[LucindaE]

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.
There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.
MOH's wonderful website is full of useful information on this illness:
sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos
Another invaluable website is:
www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk
If you need help in obtaining medication, phone them on:
024 7638 2020
Lastly, the NICE guidelines on treatment are useful:
cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy
I would like to thank everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.
Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.
So many women on this thread have thought they couldn't get through this, but they did.

Sorry so many people are feeling so unhappy :( Pregnancy hormones definitely play a part - for some people it causes depression or makes it worse (for others like me it does the opposite, the one good thing about pregnancy for me!). Have been battling depression for years but what has really helped me is CBT therapy - have had two years of it and now my therapist has been able to declare me officially not depressed any more plus my anxiety is miles better, so I highly recommend it if you can get it, and with a therapist you feel comfortable with.

I've been taking some lactulose to help but mostly been drinking a ton of water now I can stomach it. Seems to be doing the trick with my 2nd degree tears. They're still sore though. Might have something to do with me being forgetful and sitting in odd positions like I'm used to. Got to be nicer to myself...

justtheone It would be surprising if you didn't feel very down, in the circumstances. The sun will shine again, and you will be the stronger. As they say: 'The blow that doesn't kill you makes you strong'. Perhaps it makes us kinder, too. We don't learn compassion through having an easy life; that is the supreme irony of our trying to make life easy for our children...
DeadDoorPost Your feelings for your baby are only just starting. They can take time, particularly if you were very ill before birth. A very sensible book I read said, 'Act as if you adore the baby, and the feelings will soon follow'. (You may remember I was ill after the birth, and that may have made the bonding take longer).

Natsku Great advice. I hope your hormonal surge resolves itself. Many women find it does, but some, like poor Mustang seem to relapse a fair bit in the third tri. Even so, I don't remember anyone saying that they felt as bad in the third tri as in the first.
Mustang Lol about 'magic nuts for your fanjo'. (wink). Sorry you feel bad.
Goats I am so glad the food and drink tips helped. Certainly, a lot of people find that tinned fruit is bearable when nothing else is. Mayb e it is the sweeness?
Waves to Shez and seize and Elephantgrey and Fluffybunny and everyone.

Watch me cross post.

Justtheonethen if it's any consolation I feel exactly the same. I'm a shit everything and I cry most days. The weekend has been particularly challenging and I've just wanted to run away from it all. I've referred myself to mental health services - in the UK they prioritise pregnant women. DH works in MH and has talked me through how CBT aimed at a relapsing/remitting chronic illness could be helpful. Hope you manage to get some support

justtheonethen Lots of in the form of your favourite treats. I understand what you're feeling, although no one can ever claim to completely get it as they're not you, and only you know the truth depths of your struggles.

Thanks all for the ongoing support. I have to say, today was a lot easier! I've been cheeky and have cut boob out last thing at night, so he has a bottle just before bed. I woke up feeling really good!

Funnily enough, pumping helps with the nausea

I have been feeling really down lately but thought I'd share this picture with you. He was gazing up at me this morning when I was feeling rather tearful and I said "you're so beautiful" (I had phone camera in hand). He did this. I melted. I know it may well probably isn't a real smile and is just wind, but none the less

Lucinda Sorry if I'm coming across as rude But where abouts are you in your pregnancy journey now? I think I've got confused with a similar username!

Goats Yellow melon 🍈 the type that looks like that (think it's called honeydew or something? ), worked okay for me and was easy on the throat to bring back up if I was sick! Also cola ice lollies but funnily enough couldn't go with lemon ones as they were too acidic to bring back up.

As for savoury items... I'm no help there. Ready salted crisps made me heave, but they work for a lot of people it seems.

Thanks all. I think I need to go in for fluids tomorrow. Keytones at 3, thrown up everything I've eaten today. I think dehydration is making me more depressed. Seems ludicrous having to go in at 26 weeks.
I think I'll go and see the gp after batman and get referred. Sorry you feel the same.
Really good advice Lucinda

Blue lovely pic . What a cherub!

Dead emotionally unstable, that's exactly how I feel. Hope you start to feel better as things settle down for you

Lovely to see the new mums post on here
Always great(for me atleast!)to read the updates and prepare myself a bit for what's yet to come.

Dead Hope you start feeling better soon and do be careful about the sitting positions so as to speed up the healing process!

Blue Aww that smile is so heart warming.
Sorry you are feeling low lately but hope you have more good days like today and once you settle into a routine with your gorgeous wee one, you will feel mentally much more serene.

justtheonethen Oh poor you.. Really feeling for you. You have been going through a couple of rough days bar the yoga session.. I'd believe the dehydration is definitely contributing to the depression and wish with all my heart that once you get the fluids, you start feeling MUCH better!
It doesn't matter 6 or 26 weeks, whenever you need the fluids, just go for it. I can understand how absurd it might seem to some healthcare "professionals" to need fluid at 26 weeks but it is what it is. Gentle hand hold.

Baby Shehz hasn't moved since morning and I am getting a bit worried now but was specifically instructed not to worry about movement pattern until 26 weeks +

Shehz my midwife said not to worry until 28 weeks . You could always phone the maternity ward and see what they say? I'm sure it is nothing though.

That's what I'm worrying about, that the staff will think I'm ridiculous

@Shehz21 I constantly worry about movements. I was also told they wont develop a movement pattern until 26-28 weeks but if I really hadn't felt them move in ages I'de definately call, they can atleast check HR.
Lie on the bed or sofa for an hour, they say on side but I always feel mine more when I'm propped up in bed, have a cold fizzy drink and give your belly a little poke around.
My bubba definately has quieter days and then usually makes up for it the next day by having a party!

Blue what a gorgeous photo. Your little boy is is just so cute.
Just I know someone who was admitted to hospital for fluids when she was 7 months pregnant. She was treated well by the hospital staff. They hooked her and her baby up to a heat monitor so they could see the impact. I hadn't realised that she had hyperemersis until recently but her little girl is fine and doing really well. When I was in hospital there was a lady with hyperemersis who had a huge bump. I don't think it can be that unusual.
Batman I am so sorry that you feel this way. It is really hard. Its good that you are going to get some help. I am also seeing the mental health team. I have only had one session so far but it did help.

I am feeling very worried about the birth because of having hypermobility syndrome and I am st more risk. I have looked into going to birth classes but I don't know if this would be any good for me because a lot of the stuff they recommend like birth balls would be harmful to me. I don't know if I would be recommended to have a natural birth or a caesarean because I haven't seen the consultant. I also worry bit about looking after the baby when it is born. I obviously knew about this before I was pregnant and thought about it a lot beforehand but I just feel really bad at the moment so I have started to doubt myself.

Will you have a consultant appointment before the birth then elephant?

Had midwife today, fundal height measurement hasn't changed in a month so I'm now four weeks behind but the midwife didn't say anything about it. Ferritin store level is low at 7 so need to take max dose of iron every day. And the doctor needs to write me a new prescription for my doxylamine because OH just told me that the pharmacy almost wouldn't give him my medicine last time and said I need to go to the doctor.

Natsku I have a consultant appointment in January when I will be 20 weeks so there is plenty of time to prepare from then. But it is hard to stop worrying. I am not afraid of pain because I am used to that. I am worried that something will go wrong.
I am sure that if the midwife thought your baby's growth was a problem she would have said something but it is understandable that you are worried about it. How far along are you?

Hi guys,

I am pregnant with my third hg pregnancy. This one wasn’t planned as I am 42 and knew I couldn’t face another hg pregnancy. But against all odds I did get pregnant. I’m 6.5 and I’ve decided to go for a termination. My husband is exhausted and can’t face another child. I would love to keep it but I’m just too sick already.
I’m so sad. Why did it have to be this way? I feel very ‘why me?’ But I know that ain’t helping.
I’m so proud of you guys pushing through. I just can’t do it again under these conditions although I know there will always be someone ‘missing’ now. My consultation is tomorrow I’m scared it will be ages till the appointment. I’m scared about throwing up all through the appointment.

Hope it won't be too long until your appointment Ohnowattsthis I'm sure that must have been a tough decision to make, hugs for you.

I'm 32 weeks elephant I'm not so sure whether my midwife is really doing her due diligence as she said one number and wrote down another one, and then didn't check my haemoglobin but wrote down a number for it anyway. But she'll be talking to the doctor on Thursday about my ferritin levels and my meds so hopefully the doctor will look at my notes at the same time.
Don't blame you for worrying! I hope the consultant appointment will put your mind at ease. I'm worrying about the pain (and now I just realised I forgot to hand in my birth fears questionnaire) especially because I get sharp pains under my appendix scar when my abdominal muscles are doing things which makes me worry that contractions will give me the same pain - that'll be horrid. But the doctor will talk about that with me at my 36 week appointment.

Apparently they have to check my blood group again at 36 weeks - not sure why they think it'd change from what it was at 8 weeks!

ohnowattsthis you poor thing what a difficult decision to make.

Natsku they kept having to recheck my blood group during my last pregnancy - it became a bit of a running joke. Blood info seems to disappear to the same place as odd socks when you put them in the wash!

Blue your little boy is gorgeous - I think that's a proper smile!

Sympathies to all those struggling with MH. Pregnancy just hammers it, doesn't it? It's laughable how the magazines and adverts compare to the reality. I really dislike being pregnant if I'm honest, but I don't feel guilty about feeling like that. This baby is very much wanted, we've been TTC for almost four years, but I'm going through pregnancy because I want a child, not because it makes me feel all womanly and amazing

Getting some ondestron (sp?) to try today and I've booked a Tesco home delivery. The delivery man is going to think I'm nuts, because it's basically £40 of stuff for DD's lunches, plus mangoes, fresh frozen and juiced, ALL the tinned fruit, ALL the ice lollies etc

The info hasn't disappeared, it's written there on my maternity card, they just decided right at the beginning that they'll need to re-check at 36 weeks!

God I want some mangoes! There aren't any nice ones in the shops round here at the moment, either raw or ripe but flavourless. I've got half a honeydew melon in the fridge though, might have that now.

It's Independence Day tomorrow (and the cat's birthday) so feel a bit like making a birthday cake for Finland and the cat

justtheonethen she ended up moving a bit last night but nothing like her usual party in my belly.
I hope you've gone in for the fluids and really hope you got sympathetics midwives/doctors to care for you while you are there. It's really no shame at all and I would defo waddle my way to the hosp and get fluids if I needed it for any of the remaining time of my pregnancy.

Natsku Hope you get your doxylamine prescription asap and surely there is nothing to worry about baby's growth if MW seemed unconcerned by it? But totally understand the worry regarding every little thing when it comes to bubba. I am a wreck and get my knickers in a twist whenever she doesn't move as much.
Haha get some extra kitty treats for your cat tomorrow.

ohnowattsthis So sorry you are having to go through this. Could you get some avomine over the counter which could help with the vomiting until the appointment?
I know it's a heart wrenching decision but you must have decided what is best for you and your family I'm sure. Hope you have enough RL support to help you get through until the appointment.

Thinking of winky and hope she is doing better physically atleast now.

Woke up with a sore throat and really annoyed about it. Hoping some warm water with lemon and honey helps. Shit day ahead for me.

Goats I am sooooo with you in wanting this pregnancy for the end result, my wee little girl that's all. I HATE PREGNANCY! TO THE CORE!
Yay about getting Ondansetron though! Hope it helps you and really understand on the front of ordering things online rather than drag your ever so sick pregnant body to Tesco. Really didn't have the energy to even get out of bed during the early days and still the same now if I am completely honest

If my mangoes are disappointing I'm going to throw them at the delivery man

I'm going to get DH to bake me some lemon shortbread when he gets home from work too. All I want to eat for the rest of my life ever are mangoes and lemon shortbread and maybe the squidgy gooseberry cake my neighbour makes. The thought of anything else makes me heave. No doubt it'll all change tomorrow though.

What sort of cake are you going to bake Natsku? A squishy one I hope. With lemon. Squishy melty lemon baked goods are definitely the best

Shehz yes I can't move very well at the minute, I need to give myself a good ten minutes extra for heaving/boking before I can stand up and do anything. There's nothing good about it at all. I'm very practical and I can't see this as anything other than a necessary endurance test. In my experience not liking pregnancy has no relation to what happens when the baby comes..I had a dreadful time being pregnant with DD for other reasons, but the minute I saw her I adored her, bonded instantly, had no problems breastfeeding etc. Pregnancy is like growing pains, they are painful and you might not enjoy them but it doesn't mean you don't want to grow.

Ok I'm 42 and it's so much harder. This is my second pregnancy and it's been horrific. I refuse to sugar coat it, when people ask I tell them that. Such a hard decision but an incredibly personal one. Hugs and love to you.
Natsku have they not made any suggestions? My friend was in a similar situation and was induced early.
Blue what a gorgeous wee smile. Glad things are a bit better.
To everyone going through it, CBT is great and honestly if you need meds to help you. Do it. Depression is a deep, dark hole and sometimes you just need someone to hand you a torch and tell you the way. Recognising you're depressed is a major turning point.
Not been sick since Friday. That's right, Friday!!! Still feel really nauseous and can't stand up for long but I'm coping. One day at a time. I'm signed off till Jan and I need to dig out my maternity clothes.
Gentle hugs all and thanks so much for all the help and support. You empowered me to fight for the right meds.

ohnowattsthis Poor you. It is a horrible decision to make for anyone. Thinking of you.
BlueButTrue What a lovely photo of a smile, and it's nice to think it might be real. Re: your query, it's not at all rude. Pregnancy? I would I was that young! I've been doing these threads for years now, as Mother Hen. My daughter recently started work as a vet - that's how long ago it was for me. I conceived her almost exactly 24 years ago. 'LucindaE' is a contraction of the pen name I use for other writing, but I keep the two apart, as I would hate anyone to think that I had started this thread as publicity to sell my books, or something. You may meet me elsewhere on the internet under the full version, but I don't post elsewhere on Mumsnet, so that must be someone else.
justtheone I hope you are getting fluids now. You shouldn't feel silly. If you are suffering badly later on, it's a matter for sympathy, not blame. I knew a woman who had to go in at 38 weeks.
Elephantgrey BATMAN and everyone, I hope that they get you some assistance asap. It is very hard. Frankly, I think that there has been a lot of undiagnosed PTSD with this besides.
Shehz Glad there has been some movement.
Natsku Waves.
LostinthetunnelofGoats Glad you have got in supplies. Nice to meet another veteran trade union militant, I used to be one myself (Sorry, I talked about myself earlier, so enough of that!) You are so right about the ridiculously glamoriszd, sentimentalised image of pregnancy propogated by magazines and the media - all nonsense, like their image of life generally. Of course sufferers from this scourge hate pregnancy while adoring the end result. I think more women than you'd think don't enjoy it - they just think you should because of hypefrom said media...Rant over.
I hope everyone is coping today. Watch me cross post.

It always amazes me when anyone says they enjoy pregnancy, there's just so many shit factors to it even without HG! My ex-neighbour seemed to be constantly pregnant, I don't know how she coped!

I don't know what cake to make Lost going to make some piparkakku (gingerbread) today with DD anyway and will decide about cake later. Would need to go to the shop to get sugar and flour and whatnot which seems like a hassle.

No suggestions at all seize midwife didn't even comment on it

Hey just to drop in and say I'm thinking about you winky .

Il catch up later

Been at a&e since 9.30. Finally saw a doctor who told me my urine sample showed no signs of dehydration and wanted me to try fucking buccastem.

I told him that my urine had 3 ketones in it when I left home so I didn't think that was right. Made him recheck and lo and behold he came back really sheepish and said he was sending me for fluids. Ketones at 5 .

So looks like I've sat here all morning because someone made a mistake testing this morning. I hate having to fight for treatment. I'm now waiting for a cannula and read over my notes. Initial nurse I saw said I "looked well" . My lips are peeling off as is the skin around my eyes but I look well apparently. Doctor changed that to "looks dry". FFS.

Sorry not read back.