Hyperemesis Support

[LucindaE]

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.
There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.

MOH's wonderful website is full of useful information on this illness:
sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos
Another invaluable website is:
www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk

If you need help in obtaining medication, this phone number is
brilliant:
024 7638 2020

Lastly, the NICE guidelines on treatment are useful:
cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!scenario

I would like to thank everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.

Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.
So many women on this thread have thought they couldn't get through this, but they did.

@blah. Thank god for that. The doctor should be struck off !!!

BlahBlahBlahEtc I so echo what others say, thank goodness. It's disgraceful he put it like that; he could have offered you the choice,but to make out it was the only option; and he must know it is your right to have a second opinion .
LightTripper and Blondes Ah, I know that the magnificent LightTripper should, by the dates, be first past the post, and I have already got that drawbridge decorated for her, like this: [. But because you have waited for eleven years for this baby, and after that, suffered from a Hypermesis pregnancy, I think there must be a special fanfare in welcome at the fabled Pink Castle.
Blondes Now, however did you manage to tell him to 'f* off' and vomit at the same time? Now, that is the sign of a virtuoso....
I hope everyone is coping today.

MamaErmintrude My apologies - I think you, share a place with LightTripper at the head of the queue?

Sounds like MamaErmintrude is already well on her way to pink castle!! Looking forward to seeing it again, especially with the decorations. Though I wouldn't be at all surprised if Blondes beats me to it. Anything can happen in 10 days!

Retching this morning but I'm struggling to care, the end is in sight!!

Bless you @lucinda. I def deserve the drawbridges after all this time

@light I won't beat you. Have no intention of going into labour beg of March but will be induced before dd of 30/3

I am However organised :)

Been waxed as if do have cs do t went to be shaved. Plus know it's a tad overgrown down there 😊😊 but I can't see it 😂😂

All neat with a landing strip now

Also had toes done as 1) can't reach them and 2) would not like to have nice nails and give birth

So toes will last a good 5/6w and bubs be here then

This post has helped me so much . I'm 9 weeks pregnant but struggling with sickness ... struggling with food ... and with work ....
24 times I was sick yesterday . Doctor has said I'm not HG just severely sick , I don't know the difference , but I trust her . I have been feeling v drowsy from tablets and my appetite has gone completely ...
due on 17 September .... trying to take one day at the time....

Ah Mama such exciting news! Thrilled to think that you will soon not only be leaving the horrid HG behind you, but also get to cuddle your squishy newborn.
Good luck with delivery, I have everything crossed for a nice quick straightforward one for you. Xx

I'm no expert Muva but that sounds like HG to me! Either way it's utterly miserable to be so sick you need medicated and you'll find lots of support and hand holding on here

Muva that does sound like HG.

Blah I'm so glad to hear that! Fingers crossed for everything.

MamaE woo! Wishing you a speedy and uncomplicated labour. I know I aim to spend a lot of the later part in the bath but have no other tips sorry.

Blondes that does sound very organised. I hope I will be too. I've been told I can't have gel polish at the end in case I need to go into surgery as they'll need to remove it or something but I don't know if that's right.

Iamserious I hope DD is ok.

MuvaWifey77 Welcome: just got to make two apologies!
MamaErmintrude and IAImSerious I don't know how I missed your posts! I thought people were referring to MamaErmintrude being at the top of the list - now I see her coming up the newly decorated drawbridge of the pink castle at the end of the terrible Hyperemesis scourge! And I must have picked it up unconsciously, as I was going on about the Due Dates list.
I would ave said to MamaErmintrude if I hadn't stupidly missed her post, above all don't let them try and give you sleeping pills to shut you up if things haven't really started and it's near bedtime. It's sod's law it will all heat up in the early hours, and they'll still be affecting you. I hope they don't do that any more.
IAmSerious Missed your post too - that sounds alarming. I gather it was a false alarm?
MuvaWifey77 Whether that is 24 heaves, or, far worse, 24 separate episodes, I think the doctor is being a bit pedantic - 'must have lost so and so much percentage of body weight before defining as Hyperemesis etc. At this rate you will be very dehydrated. Do get kesostix to check for the early stages of dehydration.
How long have you been on the meds? If more than a couple of days, you definitely need to get another appointment, but it's hard to fight your corner when you feel so awful. In the meantime, are ice lollies, sips of flat coke, elderflower water, Dr Pepper, ice cubes, the juice and fruit of tinned fruit - especially pears and apricots, nibbles of crisps, cheap ice cream, slices of melon, cuppa soup or sips of chocolate milkshake (maybe soya) any good?

Waves to Melleebacca MagnumAddict Blondes and everyone.
Here's the new due dates list,with MamaErmintrude's exciting news.
Due Dates
LightTripper 3 March
Mama Ermintrude 3 March
Blondes 30 March
HurryUpApril17 17 April
NerrSnerr 18 April
Castlefeck 19 April
moonoverthewater 10 May
user1477 14 May
IAmSeriousAndDontCallMeShirley 20 May
Robber Bride 29 May
LHReturns 1 June
PeaceLove 3 June
Boobs 6 June
South London 6 June
fourcorneredcircle 7 June
Pastiemaid 12 June
squeezypeasy 13 June
Babyand 23 June
Captain Warbeck 24 June
HollyHop17 20 July
whoate 1 August
HaichM 1 August
SociallyAcceptableCookie 5 August
JimmyJay Early August
Daffodil 11 August
SickRose 18 August
Pip1982 20 August.
Melleebacca 22 August
Mardybum2017 25 August
MagnumAddict 1 September
MuvaWifey77 17 September

Ooh Mama good luck hope it's going well and you're in the pink castle.

Blondes you're so close! Hormones are supposed to drop off a bit after 36 weeks so hopefully you'll have no more bad days.

Hope your dd is ok serious? Not what you need at all.

Welcome to the newly pregnant and vomiting. Wishing you all a speedy pregnancy.

I'm still plodding on, coping well with the gestational diabetes so far

muva sounds like hg. Get ketones tested and speak to mw if gp
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Hi everyone, thanks for welcoming me so well...
Hi bold:Lucinda ... Sorry didn't get that.... ? I've been so unwell I saw the doctor today to check for ketones and there was nothing, she knows I've lost 5 kilos in the past 2 weeks , I've been on 2 different pills, one starts with Cy, now on the other one that starts with P.. Sorry it's downstairs, I will check names after. I will definitely be speaking to midwife, my doctor has always been the type of woman who just sits there ,listens but doesn't understand that I might have no idea what's going on inside me ( she said you could be having twins) sighs ... Well even if I am I would like to be healthy and hydrated I feel like I'm begging for some sort of help instead of being offered options... Off work tomorrow to see if new medication actually helps. If ketones aren't showing could it simply be severe sickness ?

It's lovely to know I'm not alone out here... Xxxx

Thanks so much for the tip on : kesostix.

Reading about the lovely ladies who's due date are approaching ! How amazing !!

Prochlorperazine. It's what I have been prescribed. Not helping much . Can't keep down any food or drink . Coconut water has been v good. :)

Muva - ketones are fickle things. You can be very sick without having ketones present. Ive only had ketones up to 2+ on one occasion this pregnancy but have definitely got HG and have been existing in a mildly dehydrated state for 9w now. Ketones are present when you can't keep anything down for about 12-24hrs, but the smallest amount of food and liquid can dilute them to a level that's not concerning for GPs.

Mama - thinking of you! Hope the journey to the pink castle is an easy one.

Hello. May I ask a question? This thread was massively helpful in a previous pregnancy and I've just found you again.
I'm about 16 weeks and still pretty nauseous. I'm sick once or twice a day but feel sick more, esp in the evenings. Even when not actively nauseous I am very food averse and the smell of cooking makes me feel sick. I've lost nearly a stone in 6 weeks or so. About 8% body weight. I'm keeping fluids down fine, it's just food. Rather unsurprisingly my mood has tumbled (was high risk given prep experiences anyway) which I guess might be contributing to the no appetite. Ondansetron and metoclopramide maybe help a bit sometimes but don't increase appetite. Does this sound like HG? I couldn't watch telly for a few weeks or go in a car because of the motion. Thank you ladies.

Melleebacca Thanks, I had no idea. I look at myself sometimes and it's depressing , eyes deep , skin looking awful , my lips were starting to bleed , my eyes looked yellow and I lost so much weight ... I need to speak to midwife...

thanks so much ladies. Seems like the GP just wants to get rid of me as soon I get in the room

Muva - if you're keeping down coconut water you probably don't have ketones. But you're definitely dehydrated and sick. Meds will help keep more in and there's stronger ones if the ones you have don't really help.

Bit - HG is severe MS that continues past 12w. Some get relief at 20w. I get relief at 24w but mild nausea to the end. Well done on managing fluids, that's the first step. Food adversions probably will be with you for a while (I can't eat chocolate while pregnant and that's my absolute fav food). Whatever sounds mildly appealing, eat it. It does sound like HG, especially if you're on ondansetron and metachloropromide.

Bad day here, I don't often vomit in the mornings, but had a bile run when I tried to get dressed. Seeing maternity mental health again today and that's the only reason I'm out of bed.

Just had my scan, I have to say it's lifted my spirits no end! The first moments of pure joy in the whole pregnancy since the sickness started! Absolutely delighted and furiously studying the nub

Feeling sick but even that's not bringing me down... For now anyway!

Wishing you all a brighter day

Welcome (back) to BitScared1 . That's a big weight loss. The meds you are on are ones that really help a lot of people. Fluids are the main thing, but I wonder if there's another medication they can add to help still more as starving for weeks isn't great for you (though the babies seem to thrive if you can take in liquids). You've already had great advice from Melleebacca but take heart - some milder cases get relief as early as week sixteen, and almost nobody suffers as much, or is as bedbound, as they were in the early weeks.
MuvaWifey77 What I put wasn't very clear. I meant, there used to be old guidelines for GP's about 'it isn't Hypermesis until the patient has lost 10 per cent of her body weight and been admitted and patients shouldn't get any medication until the first hospital admission for dehydration' etc and you might be just under that level of of weight loss, whatever it was, but those guidelines seem to have been abandoned, thank goodness, because now they think the sooner its treated, the better the outcome. It certainly sounds like bad enough Hyperemesis to a non medical person!
Did you say that was twenty-four separate sessions? The reason I ask is because dr's seem to count each heave as a vomit, so that when a woman says she has been sick ten times that day, she often hasn't counted the heaves, and it would be one hundred times by that, so there often seems to be misunderstanding. I don't know why they don't say: 'How many heaves each time' to judge? We have to talk about dismal things on here [green]. I often wonder if anybody reads out of morbid curiosity, and then stops in horror. How do you find tinned fruit - especially peaches and pears - and the juice - and nibbles of crisps, and cheap ice cream, cuppa soup or slices of melon?
MagnumAddict I am happy about that! That scan does make a huge difference to so many on here - suddenly, it seems real and they're excited the way non sufferers are from the start.
Meleebacca Great advice as ever. Sorry to hear of bile run. I hope the appointment goes OK.
I suppose MamaErminttrude has her baby by now? Happy news. .

So exciting to hear of those of you nearing the end and so close to meeting your little ones!
Well 2 days after my awful GP experience last week I ended up in hospital on a drip and have now finally been prescribed ondansetron which fingers crossed appears to be helping, although have only been taking it for 2 days. I ended up ringing the hospital midwife to get taken seriously, who said I should go straight in and I was found to have +4 ketones and fainted twice whilst I was in there... in the middle of the waiting room :/ I really would urge those who feel GP isn't taking you seriously to speak to a midwife/get a second opinion. This is my first pregnancy and I didn't know the procedure and just presumed the GP would be the first point of call.
Wondered if there's anything I should be aware of now that I'm on ondansetron? Seem to have a headache at preset and have heard others mention constipation? Joy!

Hi Lucinda , It was 24 times , not heaves...
yesterday it webnt down to 11 times. I have stopped eating because I lost my apetite , I feel everything solid doesn't stay down , I'm losing my voice when I vomit too much, abdominal pain comes with it too because of amount of heaves about 4,5 each time ... I keep thinking baby must be tired of it too ....
Now this is a personal thought here, could it just be a girl ? Apparently baby girls cause mayhem like this, whilst baby boy's pregnancies seem to be smoother . Before all of this vomiting started at 4 weeks , I thought it was going to be a girl , still do .
Any thoughts ?

muva hot water bottle for sore abdominal muscles (don't worry, you can't overheat the baby with it)... ice lollies for sore throat and a little hydration. Very normal to lose appetite, just eat whatever and whenever you fancy. Baby will get whatever it needs from your reserves. Go for high sugar, high fat, high carb and yes, high salt, ALL the junk in the world! Weirdly, this seems to be the most effective for lots of us, but we don't always have a good ahem, food retention rate. I lived on hot buttered toast, custard and rowntrees fruit pastille ice lollies for weeks 5-16 (NOT an exaggeration!). Dunno about girl theory, we have a fair old mix of boy and girl babies on here.

mardy sorry to hear you've been in hospital but I'm so glad you're now getting the support and drugs you need. You're right, first time PG women go to GP as they don't know that midwives can help them faster in some cases. I'm afraid that the ondanestron constipation is legendary - try and stay as hydrated as possible (sarcastic "ha!" I know!) and maybe eat some fruit ("double sarcastic haha!"). Others have managed to get lactulose which has helped loads. It's over the counter but they often won't sell to obviously pregnant women, send DP

Mellee keep plugging away at those maternity MH sessions. One day at a time and all that

bit that sounds like HG to me too. Follow all of the advice there is on here and check in regularly. We'll keep your spirits up ... even if we can't help you keep anything down.

castle I missed that you'd been diagnosed with GD. I have my GTT next week. Can't say I'm looking forward to that glucose drink...

Bad news here... gone off black currant squash. It immediately comes back. Thought yesterday's post squash voms were just because the cyclazine isn't 100% there yet... but then have thrown up squash today too. Bugger. Have to send DM back to the corner shop for another marathon "what will four keep down" experiment... least I'm not filled with dread about drinking now. I know I can, I just need to find the right thing!

MuvaWifey77 My goodness, that was an awful level of sickness. The baby won't be affected by heaving - though people worry about that. I just hope that the cocoa juice is helping keep you hydrated, as you say it was when you were last checked? It's always worth investing in some kesostix from a chemist to check yourself.
"Mardy* That sounds awful, though I'm glad it made them put you on Ondansetron. Sometimes it's quicker to phone the maternity unit, I believe. Constipation is a real bugbear of Ondansetron. Some swear by lacululose (I never can spell that). Some say those gel suppositories from Boots - though they use them in maternity wards, they won't sell them to you if they know you're pregnant; you have to get someone else to get them if so).

fourcorneredcircle Good advice. Oh, dear, I am sorry to hear that about reappearing juice. I'm guessing you've long ago dispensed with the juice of tinned fruit, flat full sugar coke, ice lollies and elderflower water etc. Melon put through the word processor and frozen? Dr Pepper?