Cannabis whilst pregnant!

[MorgansMummy24]

As if I have just been to the shops for some late night snacks (feeling ravenous) and there is a lady outside the shop with a man, she is quite heavily pregnant and clearly smoking a joint of cannabis! Im really angry! To think of the people who miscarry or cannot concieve! I feel sick to my stomach, rotten!

I object to people using women who have difficulting getting pregnant and who have suffered a loss to make a point.

Its narsty.

If you have a good point to make then make it.
You don't need to bring other people's challenges into it.

I could not agree more. I have, as I have said, had several losses and I'm sick to death of reading stuff on here where women use that experience to take the moral high ground over others. Recently I read that no-one should complain about people making intrusive comments on their pregnancy because it was 'ungrateful' when others couldn't have children

Not in my name, thanks.

Last year, just after my miscarriage, I saw a heavily pregnant woman smoking (non-weed). For a second, I was angry, I judged. Then I realised I was only projecting my own hurt onto her life. It was none of mine, I don't know her life. She may have abstained and just had bad news. She may have cracked. Hell, she could have been smoking throughout, it was none of my business. The fact is, it's still a woman's body until she gives birth, others can pull up their judgy pants and throw out ridiculous 'research facts' to their hearts content. Dont presume to speak for others though, if you're pregnant and its going well, just carry on how you are, try not to be too sanctimonious, everyone makes bad choices at times.

There but for the grace of God...

Look, I'm not immune from making snap judgements about people, but honestly I think some people need to temper those judgements a bit and not use it as an opportunity to get on their high horse. Or if they get on their high horse they shouldn't be surprised if no one agrees with them.

Hopefully the women smoking is getting the support she needs to quit and have a healthier pregnancy if that is what she wants to do.

It's her body. She can do whatever she likes with it. Nothing about being pregnant changes that one bit.

Lots of people do lots of damaging things to their children, by choice. There are a million subtle ways to screw up your children, make sure you aren't doing any of them before you jump on some other parent.

not sure how you quote someone using mobile but charis1 at start of thread you pulling crap from the air talking like a true sheep

women been using weed in pregnancy and labour for eternity

plus its not illegal everywhere

plus its not a drug its a herb

we use rasberry leaf tea to induce labour dong quai nettle red clover angus berry(vitex) i cud go on

yet things like caffeine cigarettes pesticides artificial sweetners alcohol morphine(heroine) are condoned as normal

hmmm! coz the goverment says so yeah? coz they know everythin and cover up nothing.....

correction pethedine not morphine

I'm probably causing a significant amount of damage to my baby just by living in London. The air quality is appalling.

Bullshit, exuses.

Let he without sin cast the first stone.

And... I'm not religious!

22Dee i don't know what your post is supposed to mean, but i'm sorry if you don't like the facts.

Fact - using cannabis in pregnancy or around a baby causes damage to the central nervous system, .

No amount of politics or philosophy is going to change that fact.

fact - damage to the central nervous system can cause asd or ADHD amongst other things.

It doesn't matter how long these things have been caused by cannabis in the past, it isn't going to prevent them being caused by cannabis today. it's complete nonsense to argue ah, but women have been damaging their children's brains like this at other times in history too, so its ok.

fact - cannabis is a drug. Attempting to claim it isn't, is just bizarre. try looking up what "drug" means.

So if the op said she had walked passed a car with a bloke sitting inside with a new born baby in the back and he was smoking a joint would people still be saying mind your own business? You don't know what his life is like? It could be the first time he has smoked in front of his baby? He can do what he wants to his body?

exactly debinaround has got it spot on.
what's all this "don't judge her etc etc" we can judge if we want to judge, there are women here who have suffered horrific losses and quite rightly are allowed to express their opinion!

I haven't been on this forum long, but wow, there are some nasty people on here. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on this matter, but what's the need in being so aggressive about it!

Charis

I would love to see the research and results on this.
how much was used before the effects were noted etc.

Once more I say that it is best to look to the plank in your own eye, that the mote in another's.

It would be a different thing if the OP was asking on the advisability of smoking pot during her pregnancy, but we are being invited to severely criticise someone we do not and will not know.

And as pregnant women and mothers we have all been exposed to judgmental eejits, so that is why I find the holier than thou responses intensely irritating.

The hysterical responses here highlight exactly the hypocrisy I've been complaining about. "It's a DRUG it's AWFUL how DARE SHE." Take a breath, ladies.

Perhaps 1 or 2 posters here have said it's OK to smoke marijuana during pregnancy. The vast majority agree that it is NOT OK. However some of us are considering nuance:

• OP can't be 100% sure the woman was smoking the joint, as she was standing near a man. Maybe the man was smoking it and the pregnant woman was smoking a cigarette

• the woman may have been smoking her only joint during pregnancy after a rough day. To assume she is some addict constantly smoking based on a quick glance is ridiculous

• many pregnant women think it's perfectly OK to advocate drinking 1-3 glasses of wine a week, as can be found on threads here on MN. Is 1-3 glasses of wine more or less dangerous than one joint? As previously referenced Dr David Nutt's 2010 report for the government - which got him fired - ranked cannabis as less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. Alcohol was ranked the most harmful, even worse cocaine and heroin!

www.bbc.com/news/uk-11660210 Apparently to smear Britain's favorite drugs drink and fags was a step too far.

• there are lots of things that are potentially dangerous to a fetus that pregnant women feel entitled to do - driving (accidents and pollution), drinking caffeine, eating unhealthy food, taking certain medicines, living in polluted areas, working stressful jobs, etc.

It isn't hysteria to be anti cannabis.

Many of us in education see the terrible damage this utterly horrendous drug is doing to the health, aspirations and lives of many young people.

Is it hysteria to mourn the vibrant young achievers they were heading to be when surveying the sponging wasters they become?

Is it hysteria to feel frustration and despair at the disintegration of the mental health, behaviour, relationships, family life, etc of users around me on my estate?

Is it hysteria to feel weary of daily battling the hyperactivity, lack of attention and poor behaviour of children exposed to weed?

Is it hysterical to feel anger that money I work so hard for is taxed off me and used to fund other peoples cannabis habit? How much money paid in benefits to you think goes on cannabis, leaving the user and their families dependant on food banks?

Is it hysterical to feel fury on behalf of the victims of people smugglers who staff cannabis factories with teenage slave labour?

Is it hysteria to feel rage at the disinterested laissez-faire attitude of politicians as our estates sink into a cesspit of cannabis smoke?

It is very easy to bandy the word "hysteria! about, to smother the voices of those of us on the front line of this scourge.

It is the biggest single cause of educational underacheivement in Britain, far far more so than alcohol. it is the implicated in the rise of ADHD and many behavioural problems. It is behind many relationship breakdowns. it costs the country millions and millions.

Yet you call people "hysterical" for anger towards a pregnant woman using, and starting her child off on the downward spiral while still in the womb.

yes it is just like netmums with names like 'lilbubbasmummy' and so on

Picking on people's names makes you look pathetic. Don't do it.

charis1 you are being hysterical! I'm sorry.

Someone posted that she thinks she saw a pregnant woman smoking a spliff. OK, do we even know the woman was smoking it, or that she was pregnant? NO! There's no photo, this isn't a news story, it's a pregnant lady on a late night snack run reporting what she says she saw. And you right an essay on how cannabis destroys lives. Any addiction destroys lives, from drugs to food to sex. It's pretty obvious and no one disagrees with that.

Additionally I have said I don't even drink coffee or tea or take headache medicine while pregnant. I am 100% concerned about my baby and take excess precautions to ensure his or her healthy development. So I'm not some pro-drugs pro-drinking do whatever you like in pregnancy warrior here.

But I do understand facts and data which says that cannabis is not the most dangerous drug to humans, it's less dangerous than the legal drugs that are available. That's the difference between hysteria, and a measured response.

As I said to amyyy27 I would suggest you post in the "CRAVING wine" thread about how evil those women are for drinking wine in pregnancy given FAS is a possibility, rather than wasting time freaking out over what may not actually have been an instance of a pregnant woman smoking marijuana.

Charis that is such a load of bullshit! Please stop reading the news, it's not good for gullible people.

I smoked cannabis regularly, before getting pregnant, and I've had a job since I was 15. I'm 22 now and, through lots of hard work, I'm a marketing executive at very good company and I manage 6 people.

Want to call me a sponger? I haven't claimed a single benefit in my life. You should open your eyes, lots of people smoke weed and are probably stoned walking around day to day.

Stop being so judgemental.

Also how do we know this woman is pregnant?!

I looked 20 weeks pregnant before because I had a huge fibroid!!

It's hysteria to be that hysterical about it. You've also got some words mixed up, for example you mean cannabis use during pregnancy or around a baby MAY cause problems, not WILL.

Also the idea that all potheads are mentally ill paranoid waters is quite wrong as well as insulting. I know from personal experience of highly intelligent, high achieving, very together scientist types who all smoked pot at some point or another. I did for years. Didn't harm me at all. Sure it MIGHT damage some people, but claiming this as a universal fact is idiotic.