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Sukie272 · 16/02/2015 19:06

I live in a small flat and my next-door neighbours have a toddler who is about 2. This child seems to stay up all night as well as most of the day- he screams, cries, yells, bangs toys on the walls and runs around their flat constantly, until around 3am.
The walls are very thin, so he wakes me up repeatedly. After 6 months of being woken 4-5 times a night (the sound of him running on hardwood floors sounds like someone is hamnering nails into the floor) I complained to landlord. He agreed this level of noise at night is unacceptable and spoke to the family. For a few weeks the noise calmed down and they seemed to make an effort to keep him away from the partition wall at night, but now the noise is unbearable again.
I've tried politely talking to the parents (who are Eastern European and don't speak much English), I've also put leaflets under their door about SureStart and other sources of help. At times I bang on the wall in desperation. I just want some peace and quiet!
Is it normal for a 2-year-old to cry for several hours every day, and to run around screaming for hours at a time, several times a night? I'm worried he may be being abused/neglected... should I contact Social Services? The parents rarely take him out of the flat, so maybe he is just bored?
I'm in first trimester of pregnancy and currently off work sick, so I can't escape the noise even in the daytime. I feel so angry that these people let their child cause such a disturbance! Earplugs make little difference, and I can hear him in every room in my flat, even though my bedroom is not next to the partition wall.
What can I do about this? Does anyone have a similar experience?

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DrankSangriaInThePark · 17/02/2015 12:48

Riggling - I was going to call it last night, but thought the bad parenting/immigrants/dogs/special needs inferences were just too obvious.

I still think this has to be a wind up. Or a 'kipper/journo out for a soundbite.

I think though the MIL can be crossed off, because she leaves with them, doesn't she?

OP, have you ever had a run in over parking spaces with these monsters?

DrankSangriaInThePark · 17/02/2015 12:51

Rofling at grocklebox going on about social awareness...have you read your own posts on this thread to other posters?

grocklebox · 17/02/2015 12:56

yes. And I think any of you, even the "oh the poor parents" types, would be agreeing with me if you were actually in OP's position.

I have been, its bloody soul destroying. And I've also had a child with special needs that never slept (plus three others) and I still stand by what I said. My challenging child was not my neighbours problem, only very selfish people think this way.

Joyfulldeathsquad · 17/02/2015 12:58

grockle I've only just found sleep after two years with my dd2. No matter how many sleep books I read, old wives tales nothing worked. I've been thst tired I went deaf and thought I was going blind. op won't know that feeling yet but she will when her baby comes.
My empathy is for the parents dealing with an over active toddler day in day out and then to top it off a neighbour posting notes about unrealistic time restrictions on the noise. She has no idea what is going on in that home.

It reminds me of my SM asking me to keep dd1 (new born) quiet while my dad slept during the day as he worked night. It was awful.

RigglinJigglin · 17/02/2015 13:00

Ah Drank I can only spot the bleeding obvious ones Smile

The fact that any ref to the fact that the child might have additional needs are being completely ignored, with the response of 'well it's your child you need to control it' Hmm

Joyfulldeathsquad · 17/02/2015 13:04

Most neighbours would be very understanding - as they have empathy. Did I concern myself with my neighbours feelings when I was crying along side dd2 at 4am while she was screaming blue murder ? No. Because they were wrapped up in their bed while DP and I were running a bout like headless chickens. I have really understanding neighbours. They would even take my wheelie bin out if I'd had a bad nightGrin

grocklebox · 17/02/2015 13:07

Then you should have more sympathy with OP, Joy, since she can't sleep and can't try to do anything about it. At least you could feel like you were doing something, apparently OP is supposed to only care about the neighbours and deserves no sympathy herself?

sanquhar · 17/02/2015 13:07

oh my sides! this thread has given the best laugh in ages.

reminds me of the time dh and i would discuss kids and would come out with gems like "kids can't be that much more work than a couple of cats"

op, i think you have to either suck it up or move. noise from kids isn't illegal.

grocklebox · 17/02/2015 13:08

Why does the need for empathy only go one way here, to the parents. Will OP be allowed some too when she has her baby and s/he is being woken by next doors toddler? Who will you decide is the awful one then?

Joyfulldeathsquad · 17/02/2015 13:09

op will wish she has this much sleep when her dc comes !

grocklebox · 17/02/2015 13:10

I doubt it, she's not getting much now. I give up. Parents are always the victims, children are all precious angels when banging on your wall at 3am, evil neighbours should never ever complain, get it. Hmm

Joyfulldeathsquad · 17/02/2015 13:11

If this is true.... No one is awful. Just op is being unrealistic and a bit snotty in her posts. It is a bad situation but one that can't be helped especially putting nasty notes under the door ,

GoooRooo · 17/02/2015 13:16

I think the point is that children are not all precious angels and we would hope that as parents we would all do what we could to not disturb the neighbours, but absolutely controlling a toddler is impossible. There is no way to know why the child is making noises at night or how the parents have tried to deal with it previously. The OP has tried talking to them about it and, illadvisedly, shared literature on taking the child out which she thinks may relieve the problem but she doesn't really know why the child is loud. I do sympathise, because being kept up by noises beyond your control is hideous, but I don't see what else the OP can do about it.

It may be that the parents enjoy being kept up until 3am and for the neighbours complaining to them about their child, but it's not likely is it?

The only way to guarantee she's not woken by that particular child is to move. Even then, she's not guaranteed a peaceful existence because who knows what her new neighbours would be like. As I said previously, she may be grateful for other parents who understand what it's like for a child to be up all night living next door to her when her own comes along.

Andcake · 17/02/2015 13:30

Please please come back and post when you have a 2 year old of your own.

I have 2.5 year old and he has a strict routine etc but toddlers tend to have a mind of their own. We always joke that any instruction for looking after a toddler should start with

FIRST CATCH YOUR TODDLER

Ours is not usually a screamer but we did have a recent episode where we had to give him medicine throughout the night and the way he reacted was as though we were strangling him - I apologized to our neighbor!!

TBH - they may be desperately trying to get him to sleep through in his own room but leaving him to CIO or doing the super nanny take him back to his bedroom technique.

Also my ds prefers me going to him at night and if I send in DP as I have had no sleep or need more sleep to be able to function for work or it is just dp turn DS can go crazy running, wailing hitting dp as ds wants me.

Can you get to know your neighbor and find out a bit more before reporting to social services as it sounds like normalish toddler behavior to me.

Also they tend to go straight for anything you're trying to keep them away from and run around like crazy.
And toddler shouts are much louder than a newborn by a mile - I have apologized to my neighbor much more! Luckily she works in childcare so get it.

GraysAnalogy · 17/02/2015 13:44

I have a two year old of my own and I agree with the OP. People need to stop patronising her with these 'when you have a child comments'.

DrankSangriaInThePark · 17/02/2015 13:46

I very much doubt that the OP's precious (and undoubtedly saintly) little flower will be kept awake by the NDN's toddler.

I would lay bets that PreciousFlower in a year's time will be the one keeping the whole block awake all night. At which point it might be time for a judicious namechange and mea culpa.

There will no doubt be some leaflets the OP will find useful when the time comes.

MissAMinton · 17/02/2015 13:57

Sounds rubbish but although 2yr olds are not usually up half the night the rest of the running/shouting sounds par for the course.

At least they won't have a leg to stand on when your newborn screams half the night

prettywhiteguitar · 17/02/2015 14:18

Op isn't getting much sympathy because of her attitude. I would get on the blower to the landlord if you don't want to move, and do it every day it happens, also the council, that's the only way you will get any result.

sanquhar · 17/02/2015 14:25

but noise from children isn't considered a nuisance so the council will do naff all, first link that comes up if you google noisy kids and councils;

they have no power! it's probably the same with councils nationwide.

i have some sympathy, we lived next to plenty of proper noisy neighbours, we moved every time as there was nothing to be done by talking to them or involving the council(loud music so they could act)

AmantesSuntAmentes · 17/02/2015 14:42

If parents don't agree with having bedtimes, they could at least enforce 'quiet play'

Grin

How exactly would you enforce this, op? I'm interested in your behaviour management plans, given you know it all.

BoftheP · 17/02/2015 15:27

Come and live next door to us OP. We've just got a piano, no carpet on the stairs and builders in. Oh yeah, and two under five who wake up up 10 times in the night shouting about random stuff.

Sukie272 · 17/02/2015 15:54

Re social awareness... surely the earlier you start teaching this to a toddler the better? Once a child can understand language and abstract concepts, they can develop awareness that there are other people living behind the wall. Parents have a responsibility to keep reminding children these people are sleeping etc. Social awareness is learned from parents, but sadly many parents seem to lack even basic social awareness!

I wonder why some parents feel there is no need to consider other people?
For example, Joyful, you mentioned you were not concerned with your neighbours feelings because they were 'wrapped up in their bed' while you had to get up and comfort your screaming child. Isn't this rather a selfish assumption? After all, you decided to have a child, so it's hardly their responsibility. Being sensitive to neighbours feelings (instead focusing solely on your feelings and your child's) is one of the basic requirements of living in a civilised community! You expect your neighbours to be consistently tolerant and empathic, yet this should go both ways. Having a child does not give you the right to be selfish and live in a bubble!

Coola, your description of your toddler is interesting, and I'm sure most people with toddlers can relate to it. Certainly she sounds very like every toddler I have ever met. I think you misunderstand my expectations re my neighbours... of course all children scream, cry, run, disobey, misbehave, have tantrums, have patches of being unsettled... But when this happens EVERY night and wakes neighbours several times EVERY night, it's not enough to say 'she's three' and expect that to be an excuse. Would you seriously expect them to manage on a few hours of fractured sleep each night for a few years, until she grows out of it?! To me, being a 'good enough' parent means not giving up! Most people keep trying to improve their parenting skills. If your neighbours complained they couldn't sleep, would you simply dismiss these complaints as irrelevant and tell them you're not willing to try and improve things?

I will definitely be moving out of this flat before my baby is born. And in light of some people's attitudes towards what is 'acceptable' neighbourly behaviour, I think I will be looking exclusively at detached houses! Grin

Amantes... I asked my friend (who has a 3-year-old) what she does when he won't settle at night. Apparently 'quiet play' involves cuddles, massage, soothing music, finger-painting, story-tapes, quiet games and toys, warm baths, walking round the garden and basically anything that calms him and does not get him excited or over-stimulated. I guess all these things take a lot more effort from the parent than letting your child run around screaming and banging on the walls!

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BoftheP · 17/02/2015 16:02

Finger painting in the middle of the night with a three year old who won't sleep? hahhhahahahhaha.

AmantesSuntAmentes · 17/02/2015 16:12

Asking your friend is cheating, Sukie Grin

I am quite enjoying the rose tinted view you have of toddler behaviour and parenthood though. It's quite quaint!

Your friends child does happen to sound like mine have been - easy! The difference is, I'm fully aware that not all children are like this. Is the ability to grasp that fact, really so ^completely* beyond you?

I think not. I think you're being deliberately obtuse and if not, then you may well be in for a surprise. I kind of hope you are. Some people need their eyes opening and life has a funny way of making that happen Smile

MrsCs · 17/02/2015 16:27

Sukie some people are happy to parent in a lazy and inconsiderate manner. I wouldn't take their comments to heart. Quite often over indulged children with no routine pay their parents back by being appalling teenagers.

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