Pregnant (IVF) Worriers/ Warriors Part 5

[MrsHY1]

Hello ladies! Come and find me!

shaz I was up at 11, 2, 3.30, 5.30. she seemed to have a sore tummy. its so frustrating as some nights she'll do 5 or 6 hours so I assume she's not really hungry but I can't figure it out. and after I feed I put her down awake. argh

sweetie how worrying poor you. how long will the tests take?

shaz I read having them on your chest counts as tummy time for neck development. don't worry! s hates it usually...

went to a music sess for babies yesterday. fab and exhausting for them. shaz even a walk, or sit in a pub is stimulating for them. always stuff to look at/ hear. I babble at her eg if doing the washing up. all good.

Oh sweetie sorry you didn't get better news. As you say, sounds like a lot of sweeping statements from the specialist when he didn't know what's causing it! I hope you manage to get some answers somehow. I agree with onion re 2nd opinion.

shazz you are always talking to Shazlett and interacting with her! I've seen it with my very own eyes! Please don't worry - you have such a happy contented little girl there, she is def getting enough interaction. I didn't know about tummy time... No one told us to do it, so we haven't. Guess I should start.

I do understand your worries though and I often wonder if I'm doing enough non feeding, cleaning up poo, trying to get to sleep type stuff with ginster. We have about 20 mins of play time when she's alert in the morning and then another session in the afternoon. Otherwise I tend to pop her in her poo chair, often with the tv on so I can go to the loo and run about like a mad woman trying to do stuff before she starts yelling again.

keep ginster is the same in that she has done 5-6 hour stretches but often does the 2 hour ones, particularly after 3am. It's usually her tummy that wakes her (and me with her farting or grunting!), poor little thing. We also can't usually get her to go to sleep before about 11.30, which is frustrating. Am hoping this'll change as she gets older.

onion I was wondering how you do co sleeping? We do get her in her basket from 12-7, but she then wants to sleep on me in bed. I push the duvet down and her head is usually on my chest, and I put some pillows round us to stop her falling out of bed. This doesn't feel v safe, but not sure how else to do it! She seems happier sleeping on me, on her side. I assume it's ok, as I'll wake if she starts smothering herself in the boob!

crisps thinking of you.

motor has mat leave started yet? I loved those first few weeks of it, pottering, eating cake and preparing for the baby, before I got too massive to move!

I've got an afternoon out sans ginster this weekend and aren't sure how I feel about it! I'm going to miss her terribly and hope she doesn't miss me too much.

Waves to everyone else.

gin in the last few weeks s has been in bed 7- 8.30 which is great as I can have time with dh. downside is her longest sleep is always the first one...

That's my fear keep, as the first sleep is G's longest too and it's the only time I get a block of sleep. Did S just start falling asleep earlier, or did you do something to encourage it?

gin I have a bed rail to stop her falling out of the side. Initially no pillows (I kept one down the side so I can drag it out for feeds). Duvet no higher than my waist - I wear long sleeved top and a cardie to keep warm. That's it really, she was supposed to lie flat next to me but spent most of the night on my chest. Now she's so mobile I'm more relaxed about the pillow so we have one memory foam one usually. Cosleeping is what's kept me sane, she now does upto about midnight in her cot but then comes in with us. Better than it was but still not ideal!
Have a good afternoon out. I have one of those too but will be spent taking dd1 to the dentist!

Yes chest time is the same as tummy time (I hope!)

Oh sweetie sorry you didn't get better news. As you say, sounds like a lot of sweeping statements from the specialist when he didn't know what's causing it! I hope you manage to get some answers somehow. I agree with onion re 2nd opinion.

shazz you are always talking to Shazlett and interacting with her! I've seen it with my very own eyes! Please don't worry - you have such a happy contented little girl there, she is def getting enough interaction. I didn't know about tummy time... No one told us to do it, so we haven't. Guess I should start.

I do understand your worries though and I often wonder if I'm doing enough non feeding, cleaning up poo, trying to get to sleep type stuff with ginster. We have about 20 mins of play time when she's alert in the morning and then another session in the afternoon. Otherwise I tend to pop her in her poo chair, often with the tv on so I can go to the loo and run about like a mad woman trying to do stuff before she starts yelling again.

keep ginster is the same in that she has done 5-6 hour stretches but often does the 2 hour ones, particularly after 3am. It's usually her tummy that wakes her (and me with her farting or grunting!), poor little thing. We also can't usually get her to go to sleep before about 11.30, which is frustrating. Am hoping this'll change as she gets older.

onion I was wondering how you do co sleeping? We do get her in her basket from 12-7, but she then wants to sleep on me in bed. I push the duvet down and her head is usually on my chest, and I put some pillows round us to stop her falling out of bed. This doesn't feel v safe, but not sure how else to do it! She seems happier sleeping on me, on her side. I assume it's ok, as I'll wake if she starts smothering herself in the boob!

crisps thinking of you.

motor has mat leave started yet? I loved those first few weeks of it, pottering, eating cake and preparing for the baby, before I got too massive to move!

I've got an afternoon out sans ginster this weekend and aren't sure how I feel about it! I'm going to miss her terribly and hope she doesn't miss me too much.

Waves to everyone else.

Morning all
How come you have an afternoon free gin? I understand that it will be weird to be without Ginster. Is DH taking her somewhere? We have the in-laws this weekend. DP has just told me that mil has offered to babysit. I know my mum did this last week but I don't want to leave shazlett with them. She doesn't know them. Also my parents are like an extension of me. Obviously I understand that they are also shazlett's gp's but logic doesn't always come into it does it?

Keep sorry kip has a bad tummy. Is she more settled now? shazlett is particularly sleepy . Dildals said the same to me about being on my chest counting towards tummy time. That's ok then.

Onion lazy daisy is a franchise and once you have trained they set you up in an exclusive area where they guarantee that you will be the only teacher. If I do one class a week and 1workshop a month alongside a part time job it should be enough with DP's wages to keep us afloat if we tighten our belts. If we move we can use the 'nursery of nanny'! Which will save us money. We would also lower our mortgage. I'd rather have less money but be able to spend these early years with shazlett. I don't have a career to give up anyway. If we move home my cousin is setting up a company and might have a pt job for me from the summer so we would be sorted.

You are right about stimulation bring all around and great idea about 20ons chores 10 mins play. Well done you for the tiling.

What are you all up to today? We are seeing the HV at 1.30 and I'll stay for the milk spit afterwards but it's horrid weather so then I'll come home and hunker down for the evening.

Have a lovely day everyone.

baby massage this morning. s loves it while all the others grizzle to various degrees. she's the star. I think she'll love pampering.

gin she just started getting v sleepy in the evening. I noticed any nap after 7 she went deep deep deep asleep. but as I say you do get the benefit of eating dinner together.

shazz the work plans sound good. Fingers crossed!

I won't leave mine with MIL either but neither would DH so it's not a problem!

I've done shelving today with my dad. I will soon have the utility room of my dreams...

There's not much playing you can do with them at this stage Shazz. Only v recently Bella has started to enjoy me singing to her (insert jokes about my singing). She always enjoyed me chattering inanely at her, which she reciprocated equally inanely. Yesterday she really enjoyed her play mat, but all of this are fairly recent developments. The photo on FB shows Bella is capable of pushing herself up, and we've not done too much tummy time (there always seems too much to do). You will notice when she's ready for more play.

Bella has acted like a teenager today and slept in in the morning till 10.30, went out with me for a bit, then slept again for the whole afternoon. She then proceeded to clusterfeed. Towards the end she started to become really fussy on the boob which is right annoying if you're trying to watch the box cutter episode of Breaking Bad. At one point I decided she had enough and distracted her away from boob with her recent song favourite, Mama Mia. This worked. I have now bathed her and put her down, she was frantically chewing off the latex of her dummy, but she seems to now doze off, after ten minutes of talking to herself. I am fearing the worst for nipples tonight though. She's a funny one. I better make myself a cup of tea before she demands boob attendance again!

The glamour onion the glamour!

Shazza I have play guilt too. I am not sure there is much playing that can be done at this stage. At our Childrens Centre they gave me some black & white laminated pictures that I have stuck up around the changing table and next to their bouncy chairs for them to look at. They stare at them for ages, I can take you a photo copy and send them to you if you like. They are only like patterns, circles, squiggles etc in black on white paper. I also have a fact sheet on tummy time that they gave us, happy to take copies and send that to you too. Gin if you are interested too let me know.

Dildals how is Bella's teenage stage going?

Keep I am imagining little S enjoying the pampering, next thing you know she will be having a full spray tan and gel nails!! Do you remember Footballers Wives when they false tanned a baby?

Gin DTs can go 5 hours between 9.30 - 2.30 but then wake again at 5am. I cannot understand why they don't go longer at that step. Another hour to get us to 6 or 6.30 would be great as that is when DH gets up to go to work. I am hoping it will just come eventually. I know I cannot really complain as they do really well.

We moved the DTs into Grobags last night as they were always kicking their way out of their swaddling and blankets and they are now big enough not to slip inside them. They seemed happy enough but I am a little sad that they are growing up so quickly. I loved seeing them all swaddled and looking so tiny.
E has been really whingey the last few days so I think she might be coming up to a development step according to Wonder Weeks. We have 8 week check up and jabs on Wednesday so that might be fun with an already whingey baby. I am going to get the Calpol ready.

I am going to see a genetic eye specialist next so that will be a second opinion. This is not private treatment as it is so specialised so I have to wait for an NHS appointment to come through. The original Dr said it should be within 4 weeks but you never know. I also have a talking therapy session next week with a perinatal mental health Dr to discuss my anxiety but I am sure it is all related to my vision.

Hope everyone has lovely weekends planned.

I used to love footballers wives at uni!

sweetie s sleeps better if swaddled. settles easier and I think goes a bit longer. she still flails her arms a lot. so we still usually swaddle.

Just on my way back from first outing sans ginster. It was lovely and relaxing, but I did miss her and feel like part of me was missing! It's funny how quickly they become part of your identity. I also feel like my boobs are gonna explode. Hope the pads hold back the tidal wave until I get home... If anyone sees a milky looking southern train, you'll know I was on it!

Sweetie I'm pleased to hear that you are seeing an eye specialist soon. Hope they are able to give you some answers. Also hope the talking therapy is helpful. Yes please to tummy time info! I put ginster on her tummy on her changing mat yesterday and she started frantically trying to pull her legs up, making her look like she was swimming!

Keep I loved footballers wives too! My friend accused me of fake tanning G when she saw the jaundice, a la Chardonnay or whoever did it in the programme.

Ha ha re teenage Bella.G and I often feed/snooze together in the morning. I think she's gonna be a get up late kinda girl.

Onion hope ringlett is fully better. Well done on the DIY. V impressed.

Shazz hope the ILs were ok. Sounded like a crazy weekend. Fingers crossed the jabs tomorrow are ok for both our girls. Am not looking forward to seeing the fecking HV at the surgery.

Waves to everyone else. I bloody hope this train hurries up or I'll be hand expressing on the platform to relieve some pressure!

Hi ladies
I'm up for the second time tonight which is unusual in this house so I'm struggling abit :-)

First time was after 1.5 hrs shazlett woke up fussing. her sleeping bag, babygro and vest were all wet at the front. Turned out that DP had put her to bed like that after he had given her a bottle and it had dripped. He thought that it wasn't too bad. Her skin was clammy!

Now 2.5 hrs later I woke up to the sweet sound of a nappy being filled. Luckily it managed to stay contained and I am now boobing back to sleep. But the night is yet young. I guess I will be up again before morning breaks.

Sweetie shazlett also (usually) goes longer for the first stint of the evening. I'm glad that you are going to get a specialist opinion. I'm guessing that any post birth anxiety that would be natural to feel will be exasperated by your sight problems. I would also like the tummy time info but I don't want you to go to any trouble. Could you scan it to save on stamps? I'll PM you my email address.

Dildals you have inspired me to move on to abba. I was trying Grease but I can't remember many words and to be honest she's not impressed. She still prefers the jungle book with abit of Oklahoma thrown in.

Gin glad you had a lovely afternoon. Yuck to the milky train! I'm dreading tomorrow, well it's today now, but I know it has to be done.

Onion have you finished the utility room?

Expat I hope your holiday is going well.

Motor how are you feeling?

Buzzy how is the baby bubble?
Beautiful photo that is now your profile pic on Fb.

Crisps I'm thinking of you all.

Hello to everyone else. I hope that you are all fine and dandy.

Well boobing over. Time to put sleeping baby back down.

good luck for the jabs today. we have our second ones tomorrow...

I have a bad feeling kip thinks 5.30 is morning. we had a disagreement about it this morning. but as she slept from 7.15 with only feeding at 12.30 and 4.30 I couldn't complain too much shaz welcome to the dark side... is she still taking her bottle well? when do you express in the end?

gin I know what you feel about having a part missing. I crave alone time with one part of me, then muss her like crazy/watch the baby monitor/can't sleep without her when I get it. ffs. I went swimming on sat and dh and kip went to the cafe

Hi all.
I had a growth scan at 35 weeks yesterday and all appears fine. Minimotor's measurements are all within normal range, which is a relief as my bump was measuring progressively small for dates at the last 2 mw appts.
The appt with the registrar got off to a depressing start as she said "right, this should take 2 minutes - have we got you booked in for an induction yet?" It was a bit of an uphill battle, but we have at least got in writing that I will be given the option between drip and CS if still needing intervention if hormonal pessary and gel have not been adequate to kick me into active labour.
I can have 2 membrane stretch and sweep in the community at 39 weeks, and then induction booked for 40 weeks.
Midwife sonographer said that minimotor's head is "well down" and I just hope that I go into spontaneous labour before all this intervention, but I don't suppose there is much I can do to control that. I am drinking 3 cups of rasberry leaf tea, and eating 6 dates a day, as I figure it can't hurt. Any suggestions gratefully received!
6 working days left before mat leave - hooray!

I see that the egg buddies are having a wonderful run of BFPs so hopefully they will join this thread and keep it going.

Love to all.

motor that's great news re minimotor's size and your birth plan!

Pangolina had blissfully returned to her "normal" sleeping pattern on Sunday night (eg 7:30-3, then til 5, then til 6:30) but then last night was terrible - didn't settle til 8:30, wanted feeds at 10:30, 1am, 2:30, 4, 5(I think, she was in bed with me and I was a bit fuzzy by that point) and then a screaming fit at 6:30. Definitely 4 month sleep regression, please let it be over soon. At least all the advice I have read days don't change anything and she will eventually return to her previous pattern.

motor so you have agreed not to gp over 40 weeks? I hope you go into spontaneous labour. as well as sex, do as much walking as you can to get baby putting pressure on the cervix. and are there any newborn heads you can sniff? that worked for me. ooh how exciting. have you stopped work?

great news on the egg buddies. I'll go and have a read. you know them more than me though.

fairy that sounds exhausting. hope it doesn't last. is she learning new things? we has 7.30-6 last night with wake ups 11.30 and 3.30, so feel quite good today! NY experiment with the dream feed just seemed to disrupt her more so not bothering

what a miserable day!!

Hello all

Fairy gosh that sounds like a challenging night. So the 4 month sleep regression isn't a myth! We will all be back to posting in the middle of the night like the old days!

Keep I hope you enjoyed your swim. How were the jabs? Ours were ok. I waited in the waiting room and you could hear the screams. It was awful. The receptionist said ' I hate it when they cry and she is such a pretty little thing'. When DP brought her out she has stopped crying but didn't look happy. I fed her there and she fell asleep and has slept a bit since. Her little thighs have swollen up though.

Motor great news about your scan and plans. Fingers crossed it all works out. Hurrah for mat leave. Once you finish it really will be the final countdown.

Gin is Ginster ok today after her jabs?

Good news re the egg buddies. I hope they join us. I wonder what happened to choco, foody and the other newbies who joined us. I hope they are all ok.

Afm I am still researching antenatal/post natal teacher training. I'm looking at Lazy Daisy or Babycalm and Toddlercalm. I can't decide which. I'm attracted to the accessibility of LD but to the science and behavioural aspect of the others. I think that if I did BC and TC I am would also train in hypnobirthing to offer abit of antenatal as well. All very exciting but confusing at the mo. alongside this I'm still house hunting and thinking about relocation. Do busy busy che shaz.

Keep when are you moving?

Well we are off to a baby class now. It is usually massively disorganised but the mums are so nice and it is fast becoming one of the highlights of our week!

Motor I hope things happen spontaneously for you. It was getting a fright that sent me into labour with dd1.

Shazza if they are not long courses or too expensive can you not do a couple? Or do you have to sign up to one overall ethos?

Fairy sometimes ringlet wants a bottle at 10pm and sometimes not until 3am. I just give in hoping that if she's fed she'll sleep. Hope things settle down though.

Really busy here and really stupid of me to keep doing DIY as it's time I could spend having a little rest. I get fixated on things and the job always expands to ten times the original task. Ringlet has had a couple of dreadful nights too so I'm exhausted.

motor pleased to hear mini M is in the right position! I too went for a walk waddle the day my waters broke. I was convinced I'd be late but they went 1 hour after my DD. I put it down to the walk, but guess the DD was pretty accurate with it being ivf. Enjoy your mat leave.

keep I'm impressed at the swimming! My afternoon off was to eat cake :) Did you say that S had thrush? Has it cleared? Ginster has it but the meds haven't worked. The MW at the milk spot said I'd need treating too so the dr said to apply the meds to my nips too! Hmmm.

shazz pleased Shazzlet is ok. Ginster seems ok too, maybe a bit sleepier and wanting to feed more than normal? I've not yet been brave enough to remove her little plasters.

I too really enjoy the baby group. Am sad i can't go today cos of this evil cold. Am praying G doesn't catch the cold. It's bloody hard looking after a baby when you're sick. I don't know how those of you with 2 kids manage it!

onion I would def choose sleep over DIY! Sorry R has had some bad nights.

fairy sorry bout the sleep regression. I hope she'll have tired herself out last night and sleep well tonight.

Well yet again I need to rant about my bitch neighbour! This morning I could hear her ranting about the 'fucking baby' crying all night and how I shouldn't have had her if I couldn't look after her! G cried for approximately 5 mins last night when we changed her nappy at 6am. Am furious but can't say anything as I overheard it. If she starts banging on the wall again, I'll ring my HV for advice. I think she's just an angry person who shouts about everything and I should ignore, but it's hard. What's she gonna do when G starts teething and properly cries all night?

gin she sounds awful. upset her sleep as much as you can...

yes the ooh dr said kip had oral thrush and we treated both of is but it still looked the same and dh isn't convinced it's thrush. think I'll make another appt with the gp. she's feeding fine and my nips don't hurt so I guess it doesn't really matter. so says nhs website.

just back from jabs. she rarely cries but started as soon as I took her babygro off. I'm sure she remembered from last time she was mental about the oral stuff and went bright red and just screamed. now asleep on me. didn't weigh her as I wasn't booked in the 'right' clinic wtf.