Jan 2009 - these boots are made for walking... lets just hope they stay in sight!

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had to do a new thread as the old one just wasn't pleasing my computer!

My word, my bribery seems to have worked, she has finally done a poo on the toilet, instead of hiding. I hope it lasts! I went mad and praised and hugged her loads and daddy happened to be here to fuss over her too! Wow! She's now out on scooter with H for the first time and very excited about it. No accidents on wee front in 2 days of potty training. Could it be we finally have lift off?

bargain!!!

Sorry! Be quick if you fancy one though, they fly out!

Oh how sweet Tree!

cute

tumbleweed on here today!!

we went to an indoor play centre girls had a great time

'ere whose name changed?

I'm about, but nothing much to say. Been to a soft play with H and that's about it really.

Tink you are confusilating our newest member - unveil yourself you naughty girl!

Hi Tea, how is ds doing now. Hope he's much better.

We were supposed to go to a local stately home with a maze, sculpture trail, adventure playground and by coincidence vw show on today.

BUT ... inestead we've just got back from an hour-long wait at the walk-in-centre.

Ds2 has been teary and out of sorts all weekend, no specific symptoms just very tired and 2 nights of waking up sobbing in his sleep inconsolably but not able to tell us why. Then yesterday he told us his tongue hurt (penny drops, have noticed him doing some strange chewy things with his tongue over the past few days). Got him to stick it out and ewwwwww! Oh dear! I have never seen anything quite like it he has a huge ulcerated sore down the side, underneath and on the top at the rear of his tongue and its a lovely combination of bright red, yellow and green slime.

The doc at walk in said he'd never seen anything like it and wanted to get another doctor to look at it. The second doctor said he is fairly sure its a really bad ulcer of the type you would normally get on your gums, but that its infected and the worst one he's ever seen. Probably viral, possibly hand-foot-and-mouth, but couldn't be sure. Said he didn't want to give antibiotics, as his glands aren't up. Completely ignored the fact that he cried almost constantly for 3 hours this morning and that he's totally exhausted and prescribed ...... wait for it ...... ice-cream! Needless to say, we are going to our own GP as soon as we can get an appointment. I asked about the possiblity of it being caused by him being anaemic to which I got a sarcastic answer about my having "obviously googled too much"! To which I pointed out that I hadn't actually googled, but his brother is anaemic, we are vegetarian, there is the outside chance of coeliacs, he has just spent the best part of a week not eating and I know tongue lesions can be a sign of anaemia! I then got told he couldn't possibly be anaemic as he has pink cheeks, when I know from personal experience that colour is no indication of blood count. What a monumental waste of time!

Anyway, prescribed ice-cream of the special 'drive half an hour to Henley-in-Arden for Henley Icecream variety' has been administered and ds is ok ish for now.

Poor little thing - I can't believe he wouldn't tell me what the problem was, but he says it doesn't hurt, it just gets in his way as its swollen. (Surely it would hurt if it were an ucer? They're normally really painful.)

moose that sounds horrendous! poor thing.

Oh Moose, how dreadful. Yes take him to your GP asap Poor little man! Nice ice cream for him though. When Isabella bite her tongue badly and it got very very sore I used Ibuprofen to take swelling down a bit. But you're probably already doing that. Roll on tomorrow 8am when you can call doctors I take it?

I thought it might be Tink, as she does LOVE to shop

My DS is still grumpy grumpy. I don't know where my happy little man has gone, all temper tantrums right now on anything he can't have his way/ do. Feeling a bit about it all really, as he is getting over ear infection I can tell, chicken pox all gone, tooth isn't causing pain the dentist said. So I have no idea why he's so miserable. Tried to give him more naps today, which he took and defo needed. I dunno. His sister was a bit of a handful at this age but DS is far far worse and I wish I could put my finger on the problem...

Oh dear Tea.

I think its just their age to be honest. Dd has some spectacular tantrums and is really stroppy if she doesn't get what she wants - when she wants it (ie NOW!). With dd very often its definitely frustration at not being able to tell us what she wants and also because she absolutely hates to be told no (although apparently she loves using the word herself - lots! ). I do think she's been worse since she was poorly though and we've had to be quite disciplined with not letting her get away with things and sticking to the rules.

It can get really draining sometimes, there's only so many times you can think of something interesting enough to distract them, so it inevitably ends up in a tantrum at some point.

Its all been a bit of a shock for us as neither of my boys tantrummed when they were little. (Mind you, they more than make up for it these days!)

The best thing I have found to distract dd consistently is bottles of bubbles. It helps that her brothers can blow them for her as well though.

MM You could try bonjela on his tongue too - that helped me when I bit mine very badly.

Have to go and bath a very grubby DS now, but hopefully back later for proper catch up.

Oh yes MissJ I did use bonjela on DD's tongue when she bit it! Forgot about that... Good idea Moose it did help!

Thanks MissJ. The doc did say to use baby bonjela (although not adult version as apparently it contains aspirin and is dangerous for children). We used it before he attempted eating his tea, but its such a huge sore (think at least as big as the top of your thumb from the middle joint upwards) that it just stung really badly and didn't really anaethetise it. He screamed the place down when we tried to apply it as well.

Poor little thing couldn't eat his tea and was crying with pain when he attempted an ice lolly. Then he got what he has since described as the worst cramp he's ever had in his foot (he's prone to cramp) and was curled up in a ball on the floor screaming in agony. We gave him some calprofen and I ended up with him curled up on my knee crying for the best part of an hour until the pain relief kicked in and we took him up to bed.

I am definitely calling the docs first thing. Its such a huge lesion and he is in so much pain, I can't believe there isn't anything else we can do to help him. I'm also worried about the symptoms the doctor didn't taken into account, extreme fatigue, mood/behaviour change, aching legs, increased leg/foot cramps. I have just double checked and I was right, ulcers can be a sign of anaemia (and/or b12 deficiency) and also a sign of coeliacs, which considering our family history is something I feel he shouldn't have ignored, especially bearing in mind that ds1 had a low iron count at his blood test a fortnight ago.

Unfortunately, I also read that they tend not to do anything unless an ulcer/lesion hasn't healed within 3 weeks! 3 weeks! I can't see how he could possibly cope if it goes on that long.

Moose, it may be a long shot but I think tonic water helps for cramps, if he could get some of that down with a straw if it happens again. Maybe you can feed him other foods through a straw? Smoothies? You can put oats and molasses in smoothies.. poor you. I can imagine a bit what it was like. When I got hand, foot and mouth, my tongue was so sore I couldn't eat properly for 6 days (lost 4kgs) but that wasn't even ulcerated. I'm not surprised he is grumpy and fatigued if he can't eat.

Tea, H is also in the grumps. I thought it was teething at first, then I watched how he switched in and out of it when he got his way. Little minx.

My DD was so amazing when I look back and I didn't know, with her being my first and all. She was 17 months when he arrived and an absolute champ!

come on ladies i thought you would recognise me as tink with my new name as i am the resident shopper

mm - oh no poor ds hope u get sorted out @ the drs!!

raining here grrrrrr!!!

no tink, you were completely unrecognisable as there is no way you will ever be shopped out!

Have you tried these.. they are amazing for getting the little ones into the bath and keeping them there. Having said that, DD loves them and it started her taking regular baths again, H is very scared and refuses to get in if the bath is a funny colour!

Hi all, just bookmarking.

I've fallen off most of my postnatal threads except April 2007 which has gone very, very quiet lately apart from worrying about one of our little boys being seriously ill (he's now home from hospital and I assume we'll hear further at some point as there are some close offline friendships on the thread).

Have been reading a lot, celebrating Danny's 3rd birthday, a few weeks late, didn't want to do party either end of election week and there were some clashes the next two weekends, just as well because the weather was crap on 16 May and Danny was ill the enxt weekend. Conor ate non stop, I don't know where he puts it all, I think I have London's greediest baby, um, toddler?

hi Elkie! good to see you. how is your mum? Whose little one is ill? Haven't had time to read that thread for ages.

My mum's having chemo which is making her feel quite ill in itself but hopefully it will be ok. She's planning to come to London and see us in a couple of weeks (as well as doing other stuff) so I'm quite excited.

Joe was in hospital with pneumonia - his mum posted most as EllieK and as PillockoftheCommunity. It sounded awful but they had finally been able to go home after a couple of weeks in there, and I'm hoping CaptainDippy or a couple of the others who know them well will let us know if there's any news.

I've just seen - congratulations to HKZ are in order, but sorry to hear you're feeling so sick. Hope all goes well with Jude's MRI.

Sorry, with Jude's oncology appt.

That's great about your mum coming down.

OMG that is awful about Joe. Poor little thing. Really glad that he is nearly through it. That's the other thread (thought it was the TYG and G&T thread that I was on with DD)

DOG has a thread going about her DS today

Wish I could pop by with brownies for you DOG and give you a break and help watch kids x

Danny was due in April, born in May, Conor due in January, turned up in February.

you just wanted four threads, didn't ya?!