Jan 2010 babies and mummies here.....can't think of funny thread title!

[crumpette]

... sorry couldn't think of a title that didn't mention how to get orange poo out of a white vest, or how to get jiggy post partum!!!

Woohoo, found you guys! The last few days have been so glorious here that I have been outside all the time and not tempted to go online! In saying that, it is stunning again today so I won't be long. Better remember the sun cream this time as I got a little burnt yesterday
While I remember, what is Krispy Kreme? I pride myself in knowing about foodie things, but have never heard of that one...
crumpette and flyingma thank you so much for your reassurances about Cara's tumble, I just felt really bad. My friend said her brother (as a baby) fell off their kitchen table onto flagstones, so I feel a little better!
Wow you guys with babies fitting into big clothes! Cara still doesn't fit into some 0-3 mth things...but I console myself with the fact that her clothes are going to last much longer!
Hello flounder hope all is well with you.
Just had a weigh and am 9lb 10oz, so 1lb up from last week.
We had a night out on Saturday and left DD with friends for a few hours. When we picked her up she had slept the entire time - I left 10oz of EBM and she hadn't touched any of it! I was a bit worried how she would be but after a feed she slept through till 7.30am!
Nice mantra swh, I have a mw coming tomorrow to discuss weaning and I really don't want to think about that just now. I love feeding her and is so hastle-free now.
Good luck with the results new x
OK, I'm going off to the supermarket now to get salad for lunch...how do I break that to DH?

Fraochs! well done for finding us

''what is krispy kreme?'' krispy kreme donuts are the most addictive delicious rings of delectability- so so moreish, rather costly but if you try the maple syrup glazed one (best imo) you will understand why all the hype. You know, they don't sell them where I live but if I hop on the train to canary wharf which is under 15 mins away they sell them en masse in tescos and standalone krispy kreme shops. I am sorely tempted to stick DS in the carrier and go, right now, to buy a box of 12 [really I just might] ...enjoy your salad Fraochs !!

On the size of babies Jacob is still in 0-3 months but he is such a short arse lol
He is just beginning to play now and hold on to toys but his head support is still wobbly.
Can't believe he is 4 months time goes so fast.

Back to school run this morning it was a mad rush to get out the house for 8.30 roll on the next holidays

They are slowly rolling out Krispy Kreme stalls across the country. I remember when it was just the one concession in Harrods. The one in Cheshire opened up around Easter last year so hopefully they will move towards Scotland in the near future then Fraosch can join the rest of us in having the fight of the temptation that is a Krispy Kreme. My fav is the original glazed...mmm...

Re the 8-hour stretches of sleep... well in an ideal world I would be able to sleep 8-hours too but I am on an intensive dairy-cowesque expressing schedule which often involves waking up at least once in the middle of the night to express so really it isn't as luxurious as it sounds. Mainly bottle feeding either formula or expressed milk now but going totally EBM still seems a long way off despite all my best efforts. sigh I can only try I suppose.

CTOFN I cannot believe how much work getting a puppy involves. Our house is so kid unfriendly that it does not bear thinking about. I think come crawling time I might lock us upstairs permanently unless DH dumps most of the stuff in the living room!!

somewhat Snap re the time thing. I find I just manage to feed myself (batch cooked food) and a load of laundry every couple of days. It is slowly getting better but then the time when Aidan is awake, he is getting increasingly high maintenance. Thankfully I have booked us onto loads of courses that start this week so I should have an exhausted baby at the end of each day.

mama2moo Snap re the broody thing. As I see DS slowly growing, I am starting to miss him as a newborn. We're starting to crack open the 3-6mth clothes so I am going through those emotions again and it's worse than going from newborn to 0-3. Like the other day I noticed that he was holding his head up better such that I could clean his neck with minimal fuss. waaaa Problem is, with the battle scars tear, I am quite scared of the getting jiggy bit so unless there is a way to have an immaculate conception, DC2 is some distance away...

newbeg Oh my I hope they get to the bottom of it all soon as that sounds unbelievably scary. I think you are right to make a fuss about it coz at the end of the day, you are his mum and only you will know when things are out of the ordinary.

WMDO I had a talk by my HV on weaning and I think she said 17 was the earliest they recommended that you start weaning although the official guidelines were 6 months.

Another HV at my BF group said that you cannot really judge how ready babies are to wean by their reaction to you eating. They learn behaviour by replicating ours so if they see you chew, they might do it too. Does not mean they want some of the food, just means that they are learning to chew. The only way to know if they are ready is if you feed them. If they are ready, the will roll the food to the back of their mouth and swallow it. If they are not, they will not the keep spitting the food out. Therefore in theory if baby keeps spitting food out when you feed them, they are not ready and you should not do the scoop and re-feed them what they spat out. Hope that makes sense.

Oh wow sorry for the long post. I also meant to come on and ask... do you use sleepsuits during summer?

Yesterday it was really warm in the house which made me think that surely dressing bubs in a vest (sleeveless babygro) and sleepsuit is going to be too warm over summertime? What do you do? Just use the sleepsuit with no vest? Or just do a vest and maybe a shortsleeved babygro?

We don't currently use a grobag.. won't be able to until he stops flailing in his sleep or until he stops rubbing his eyes (instead of sleeping) when he is tired. At the moment I cannot really escape either swaddling or tucking him in firmly.

crumpette I have a load of playtex stuff that Im not using.

Dps mum sent me loads from the States but babymoo will happily use Avent bottles. What do you use from the range? I could send you what Im not using.

I just use a short sleeved vest, flyingma. MMM krispy kreme.. rolling krispy kremes out over the country.. giant krispy kremes.. mmmmmm

OH mama2moo x-posts, thank you for that offer that's really kind. I already have enough stuff I think on the basis that I'm not really using it properly yet, DS always gets his way and gets BF instead, argh, but thank you I was a bit over zealous in my ordering, I got 3 bottles and packs of teats and some of those bizarre liner things which should last a long while.

Quick question though- do the bottles you have have that weird open end? I can't fathom how I am meant to take a bottle out in my bag or something without it being a fully formed bottle, looks perilous

Oh god, I cross everything that this Krispy Kreme plaque does not reach here (Edinburgh) - Now if you are from Edinburgh and know that it is here already don't bloody tell me, I don't want to know.
Im very unobservant so it could very well be here and i drive by it daily without any knowledge.

I used to never eat cakes, dessert at a meal and very rarely ate sweet stuff but since my life was abducted by babies I am a sugar addict. Comes with the job.

ali im amazed at Jacob rolling and grabbing stuff. Only rolling around here is the tyres around Olivia's lazy legs. She does nothing!

crumpette thanks, im going to have a wee look. The Platex bottles will be no good because the teats are too big, she gags with most teats. Will read tips though, thanks

wmdo he doesn't roll he's too lazy he's quite happy to sit and watch the world go round.

He does giggle but we try not to make him as it makes him sick sitting in his bumbo makes him sick too.

ali don't know what I thought I had read, sleep deprivation!!

I just inhaled an Easter Egg of DS's (well, he's not even 3, what does he know of Eggs)!

I don't know what is wrong with me, im nuts.

I started the day thinking right, Monday be good, let's shift this baby fat for the summer.
Then I went to my friends house who provided lunch and there was 3 adults, 3 toddlers and 2 babies and a buffett enough for a party of 60!

There was Kettle crisps, chocolate brownies, chocolate logs and the odd nutritional sandwich here and there. Obviously I had to eat it all or that would have been rude.
Came home thoroughly pissed off with myself so proceeded to eat more rubbish.
After dinner and a glass of wine - I sat down with a cup of tea and ate a whole Easter egg.
It was organic so does that count as one of my five a day?

Tomorrow I have to get a grip, mainly to stop eating dairy again .
Hate not having my cups of tea and not being able to eat cereal in the morning due to rice milk being horrendous.

Feeding Olivia is getting to be impossible again and that's worse than any lack of tea.

My friend told me that according to a friends HV (I know, chinese whispers) they have been told there are new guide lines coming out re when to wean - AGAIN.
This 3rd hand knowledge apparently say's 17-20 weeks is when we should wean because they now think that leaving it any later has more to do with the increase of allergies than waiting.
Has anyone heard this?

Also that they should be Baby Lead Weaned rather than the puree's.

I happy with the first bit (if it's true) but not keen on the BLW.

How did you get on today new?

crumpette If you do run low on anything let me know as I dont actually use them. The bottles are weird because they dont have a bottom but I think thats so that you can squeeze the bag is needed. It took me ages to work out what was the lid!!

wmdo the consultant at the hospital told me to hold off on weaning as long as I can cos Jacob is showing signs of being allergic.
We have been referred to a dietician so we can wean on low allergy foods he said the best things to start with is root vegetables.
Been reading other sites (nosey) and so many are giving baby rice and rusks already Jacob shows no interest in anyting couldn't imagine feeding him yet.

DD was weaned at 3/4 months as that was the guidelines Ds1 was weaned at around 5 months.

Hope you got on okay new

I hope Jacob is improving this week ali, did you manage to get out for the hen night?

I've not heard about new weaning ages, but agree with the nice mantra swh, well DS did, he was practically EBF until 1, hardly ate a thing before 8-9 months! I found the whole weaning stage really stressful for the first few months, planning what food to take out and about, and then him not really eating it, then I gave up worrying about how much he ate as he was clearly still growing on milk alone. I hope DD is not ready for food too early!

Hope Jack's appt went ok today newbeg. wmdo I used a Breastflow bottle with DS, it has a small nipple bit on the top then large boob like bit! Admittedly have only tried it twice with DD and wasn't too successful, she gave it a good go but got frustrated. I think she needs the next stage teat as I have a fast milk flow this time. The newborn teat is really slow. Must get some this week, have sisters hen day next month and need her to take a bottle. Have also heard some babies can use the teat better with the grey inner bit removed. Not tried this yet with DD.

Good to hear babymoo's CO working. I have DD's second appt tomorrow. Hoping not to tempt fate but feel she has got a lot better over the last few days, might not tell CO and see if she can tell from touching her
We took her out with us to a party on saturday and she slept through most of the very loud disco, not waking for her feed till 23:30, by which time I'd had a good boogie Was great to get back out there!

Morning all Sorry I missed yesterday's weigh-in but we had Angélique's godmother/ fab friend over for the week-end and Monday. Anyway I've only lost 100g so let's say same weight as last week.

I'm interested in this weaning discussion as I've been told here in France by several sources - nutritionists, doctors, and midwives - that breastfeeding should be exclusive until 6 months. So that's what I'm aiming for, I think (LO is 11 weeks old now). LO is still very smelly when she frequently breaks wind but her poos are fairly odourless. And that is my fascinating morsel for today!

Confession- just ordered yet more bottles! Ordered a breastflow one, maygirl- will give it a shot. Poor baby will be v confused by all these strange plastic devices when his ordinary milk supply is right there in front of him, but I shall persevere!! Thanks mama2moo I may indeed let you know- the weird bags are single use aren't they so if he does what I want him to and takes the bottle (exasperated mummy) then yes that would be v helpful!

re weaning- I remember DD seeming ready to start weaning a bit from 4-5 months. I gave her some M&S organic mango sorbet.. and she loved it, and she was just under 5 months then. I didn't start proper food til 6 months but she gobbled up any mango sorbet that came her way before that. I saw a family member's baby the other weekend though, and he is only 3 weeks older than piglet, and they were feeding him rusks already! Do not try this at home

wmdo I am currently typing away with a cup of tea made with aptamil (v nice, actually) as run out of milk! rice milk is bleurgh though I agree.. is soya milk allowed?

jardins, damn you have reminded me of the weigh in!

The advice is still to breastfeed if possible til 6 months before introducing solids. (Is mango sorbet a solid??... lalalaaa)

right, weighed self.. same as last week 9stone 13lb.. but I have had lots of aptamil tea this morning!

Morning All

Hope all is well, just a very quick one - DS is beginning to stir.

I did BLW with DD WMDO it was a breeze, so easy to give her bits of steamed veg and the odd bread stick (a great option for the lazy!!). We started when she was 6 months and by her Daddy's birthday 8 weeks later she sat at the table in the restaurant and ate a proper meal. Some of my friends weaned "traditionally" and had trouble getting children to eat anything that wasn't on a spoon.

You do have to be braced for a bit of mess though, but imo its worth it. It makes going out so much easier in the end, we have never had to take food for DD, other than snacks. MiL was a bit off about it, but DH told her to mind her own business, in the nicest possible way of course!

I haven't heard of any new guidelines, but then I have been avoiding the Health Visitors since my visit at 4 weeks!

Will be back to catch up later.

Grrrr Im trying to avoid BLW and it's existance but everyone seems to be doing it.

Im too bloody selfish to breastfeed like this until she is 1. Im amazed im still BF now TBH as Ive always hated it. Had two babies with reflux though and neither have been easy to feed (my excuse).

I had DS 3 yrs ago and nobody was talking about BLW. Who bloody started it the bastard!

As I said on another thread this morning, as long as you lovingly prepared home made babyfood and could pronounce Quinoa, it was safe to go out!
Now I have to read up on this BLW so I can BF like a dairy cow for 18 months while she chews a steamed carrot every once in a while. Nooooooo I can't do it, I won't I won't. (I probably will, guilt will hunt me down)

Errr, what is this BLW of which you speak? Jardins makes note to herself to make more regular trips to UK to keep a little up-to-date and therefore capable of holding down a reasonably intelligent conversation on fascinating subjects such as weaning.

WMDO you make me laugh.... in the nicest possible way, of course!

Herm I accidentally BLW'ed (?) with DD. I was cr*p at making her eat anything pureed with a spoon, so she would just sit there and chomp stuff herself. I fought so hard to make her eat lovely purees porridge rice more purees homemade purees etc etc- but nope, she was very happy with a bit of mango sorbet here and there, a banana in her hand or some cooked veggies, cucumber, and she loved houmous on pitta bread and the occasional panini (and carrot crisps and jaffa cakes- eek) Refused all purees. I didn't realise it was an OK thing to do, I really thought I was a bad mummy as she didn't eat my homemade annabel karmel mush!

WMDO if it makes you feel any better, DD stopped feeding from me at 9 months - her choice not mine and went straight onto cows milk from a cup. She had been having it in food from 6 months so I knew there was no danger of a reaction. I certainly have no intention of BF DS until he is 18 months old, for starters I am going back to work in January!

Some people do a mixture of BLW and purees, I guess it is whatever works for you, I am far too lazy to prepare food twice! I know DD, who is now 3.5 and very keen to help feed DS, is going to be very frustrated that he won't need to be spoon-fed. I think I might have to let her feed him yoghurts!

I haven't seen the other thread you refer to, perhaps I had better go and have a look....

Jardins Baby Led Weaning (BLW) is basically giving babies finger sized sticks of steamed veg/breadsticks/rice cakes and letting them feed themselves. Its a bit messy, but ime makes them independent with feeding far quicker. As I said before, DD was eating "proper" meals at 8 months.

Hello all, it's been a while since I've been on the thread. Hope all are ok, any quick updates?

I see we're doing weigh ins, I've got 1.7kg to shift, don't know what that works at in real money. Still, not far to go.

I've not heard about weaning early, but still at 6 months. BLW - do you start that earlier and any books you guys have been reading you'd recommend?

Just about coping with BFing still, replaced 2 feeds with formula so far, 10:30am and 10pm, trying to hold on to BFing the rest of the feed for a bit longer.

Now call me old fashioned if you will but both my DCs were weaned between 3-4 months (well, started weaning) and I judged the most appropriate time for both of them by them as individuals. I started with the traditional baby rice and pureed veg, fruits etc, petit filous, and very soon they were onto full meals in a puree variety. I never had any problems with either of them. I have loads of allergies (asthma, hayfever, eczema, foods, Carling Black Label ) but they have escaped... all apart from Olivia who seems to have a few problems with her milk. HV said guideline is for 6 months with finger foods and then rolled her eyes at me and said, "you're a third time mum, do what you feel best, but I'm not supposed to say that". So - I shall be doing just that harumph!

Finger foods indeed! CTFN apologies for any offence caused .