Jan 2010 babies and mummies here.....can't think of funny thread title!

[crumpette]

... sorry couldn't think of a title that didn't mention how to get orange poo out of a white vest, or how to get jiggy post partum!!!

Jacob is not well again he had his 2nd set of jabs yeaterday he was a bit sleepy before we went and I mentioned it to the nurse but she wasn't concerned.
After the injections he was a bit grumpy and had a couple of runny nappies but wouldn't touch his bottles during the night his temp shot up and he was very grizzly so he slept with me.
Today he still isn't interested in his milk and has only had 7oz in the last 24hours but the doctor is happy that it is enough to keep him hydrated he has been in and out of sleep all day
The gp said its not the injections but a virus but I'm not sure what to think.

wmdo I didn't manage to breast feed so can't offer any advice sorry. How is she now your back on the dairy?

Ali - poor little jacob and poor you. Olivia was awful on her first set of jabs, temperature, screaming, wouldn't feed properly for about 24 hours etc. However, she was fine beforehand. Therefore, your GP might be right about the virus, but onsidering everything you have been through so far with Jacob, I would imagine your head is about to explode.

WMDO - ooooh, poor Olivia and poor you! Sounds like you are both having a rough few days. Like Ali, I can't offer too much advice. Whilst I BF my first 2 DCs, I introduced bottle by 6 weeks as I was going back to work at 12 weeks with both of them so I didn't experience the difficulty you're going through now. I have to say, the main reason I introduced bottle at that stage was because I had heard it could be a nightmare if left too long and am a bit of a selfish mare sometimes and wanted some assistance . I hope you get some good advice.

Flounder - welcome!

Mama2Moo - no, I am definitely NOT broody again, but some here are !

Didn't get my bath, still ache. Back from surprise party (friend graduated into police force today at age 45!), kids just gone to bed. Cup of tea for me, catching up on this thread and sleeeeeeepppp sleeeeeeepp....

Morning (yawn) Well woke up several times to a moses basket filled with either sick or poo so have a grumpy little man a sleepy mummy and a full wash basket. At least the sun is shining.

I'm meant to be out tonight with my sister for her hen night so hopefully Jacob will get brighter during the day.

Flounder - Hello!!

All these poorly babies. I don't know. Hope everyone is feeling better today.

This is just a quick one. We are off to Manchester today to visit the science museum. Have just packed sandwiches.
We may have to call in a krispy kreme donuts while we are up there. Mmmmm.

morning all. So I've finally managed to do my profile on here and there's piccies too. Nothing recent, but will add more later.

Vanish soap thing works well on poo, you know the one that looks like a bar of soap.in... Oooh gotta go bottom explosion! Tobin, not me

WMDO exact same problem here. I had to go into a meeting a few weeks ago and panic bought every single bottle there was. NO joy. Tommee tippee- no way, avent- hah no chance- nuk- choked and screamed, etc etc.. londonlottie suggested I try playtex drop-ins system. I did, and although completely weird, they've been marginally more succesful. He still won't take it to feed properly but he doesn't scream. With any other type of bottle he screams hysterically. I don't want to bottle feed but there are times when I will need to leave him for an hour or three or so and I need to know he can take a bottle if hungry. I got them online.. but they're not perfect as such but definitely more succesful than anything else I have tried. I guess the solution is to persevere until she gets used to it.

alibobins Hugs to you and Jacob, that poor little bundle just keeps getting set back and it's so draining and upsetting for you, too. Sorry nothing I can say is helpful but, well, I know how crap it is to have a sick child so massive empathy for you. Hopefully he will be brighter today and was just due to his jabs

WELL Costa man has well and truly made me paranoid! I'm less than a sz 12 even, I fit into size 10 sometimes so am firmly an 11. How cheeky was that. He wasn't joking at all either!

I am now wondering if, as I used to imagine I was bigger than I really was, I now have an inverted dysmorphic view of my body and think I am thinner than I really am maybe I am humongous, but I don't think so - hey maybe it's because I didn't ask for a 'skinny latte'- my faux pas

Hey everyone , we're back!

crumpette - i have images of Shallow Hal when Gwyneth Paltrow was huge but Jack Black saw her as tiny, maybe the Costa man had it the other way round. All i will say is that men always like to overestimate size dont they?! I bet he has a little todger that he says is 8 inches long!!

ali - is Jacob doing any better and has he taken anymore milk? How is your DD now with her injections? Enjoy your night out.

wmdo - have you tried cup feeding so that Oliia gets used to milk coming from some other way? Jack can be a bit funny if i use a different teat but i put a bit of milk on his tongue so he then goes to swallow it and starts sucking but sometimes he won't have any of it because he wants the comfort of boobs rather than food, might that be the same with Olivia? Also, do you warm the milk at all or cant you do that because of the Gaviscon?

mama2moo - please don't feel bad about Babymoo. If you hadn't noticed that 1 eye was smaller than the other and you're with her all the time it isn't noticeable and hair will cover her head. I know they are purely aesthetic points but Babymoo is healthy and happy (from what i recall) and surely thats the most important thing?

flounder - welcome

Thank you for all of your thoughts about Jack. He was so good whilst having his EEG, he slept for most of it & whined for about 5 seconds when they took the last couple of wires off. The nurse gave me the impression that everything looked fine but they needed to check it properly so i walked out quite happy.

On the way home though Jack was crying because he was tired and wanted a cuddle but he'd all of a sudden stop crying, his eyes would bulge and his arms and legs would extend and tense. He did it 3 times that I saw so i took him back to hospital who sent us to the ward again. He had an ECG which was fine, they've done a urine test to check his metabolism etc & blood test & he has low iron levels which they're giving him supplements for but that wouldnt cause his episodes. I'm getting his EEG results on Monday but that was after I had a big paddy that i'm not happy with them just saying its one of those things when he's been admitted 3 times in 2 weeks. He just doesnt seem right, he's so tired all the time but it seems like the day after he has an episode he's all happy and smiley then he gets tired again until he hss another one.

Anyway, sorry about the long post. I hope everyone has a good weekend in the sunshine. Hello to everyone else and sorry if i've missed people off, blame it on the baby brain. (How long is that excuse valid for just out of interest?

Glad you are back new Jacob is better than yesterday but has been quite sick sorry to hear about Jack's eposodes Jacob has been having little jerks where is arms and legs go stiff and shake or his arms fly out but the doctor said its caused by the reflux but we've got to keep a diary.

SWH I love the "high five" pic.

Please may I be excused from tomorrow's weigh in. We called in at Krispy Kreme in Manchester. nuff said.

Hope Babies are all doing well today.
DD did really well out & about yesterday. Once we got back she got really grouchy, screaming and refusing to feed. Finally got her off to sleep at midnight, but she hadn't fed since 6.00pm, then didn't wake up till 6.15am. My poor boobs were ready to explode! Boys back at school tomorrow, so should get back into a routine again.

We chose a CO by googling those in area, the nearest one has an osteo who specialises/lectures in paediatrics so we went there with dd1, will go again with dd2.

wmdo will she take from a cup? I had this problem with dd1, we expressed milk to start with and at 2 months flatly refused to take from a bottle despite changing of teats etc. When I went back to work she was 9 months and I expressed milk to drink from a cup, which she flatly refused. I came home at lunchtimes to feed her myself (wouldn't necessarily recommend it, though!). If she's weaning by the time you go back to work could you put some express milk into her food, maybe?

Hi all. I hope you have all had nice weather like us. We have been out and about loads with dd1.

sockmonkey Krispy Kremes are banned from this thread - Dont you know we are on a diet I love them, luckily we dont have one near us or I would be a size 30!

new I hope Jack is ok now

swh Lovely photos

I will get some photos on my profile at some point. Its funny but babymoo doesnt seem to change as much as dd1 did - Is that because shes my 2nd?

Has anyone got anything good planned for this week? Hopefully the weather will stay nice, I cant bear the thought of staying in all day with 2 kids now!

Oh I hate when I try to catch up and there's too much to remember.

mama2moo I so know what you mean about having two and not wanting to push your luck. I do my own head in with this.

I'd be mad to do it again. I had an extremely high risk PG with DS and was taking a risk with 2nd. Olivia's PG and birth went well and I should call it a day at that but noooo, can I stop thinking I should have a third, no I cannot.

ali sorry to hear you are still being put through the mill.

Was this the second or third round of injections?

If it was his 2nd you don't have to rush to get third. He will have enough immunity for you to leave it 6 months if you want. Just for peace of mind. You'll feel more confident of his health when he is an older baby. If it's his third then that's it all done and dusted and hopefully he will be fine once over virus. x

New When do you get the results?

quirky Oh no, wouldn't take any from a cup at 9 months? Im sure my boobs sagged even more when I read that!

I wouldn't mind if I could just feed her ok but it's a constant struggle. Also, each feed takes over an hour still. Will this change when she is on solids or are some babies just like that?

somewhat Tobin is very cute. He looks long, is he? Me and kids are real short arses so probably not!

Anyone - do I have to take into consideration that Olivia was 3 weeks early when weaning onto solids?
She stares at food and watches me eating then smiles, ha!! Just coming up 17 weeks so this surprises me.

Weather was great here fri, yesterday and today. Took DS back to that farm/park with DH and DD today as he had to be brought home early on Friday because of Olivia not feeding/screaming. All made up for now. He had a ball and had his first ride on a pony (DH holding his jeans at the back). Very cute. He is very dinky for his age and the smallest hat still didn't fit him, bless.
DD was a bit moany but we managed to stay out quite long.

With the dairy thing, Im confused.
Her reflux is alot wosre but I think that is because due to BPA in plastics, we decided to through measuring cup out and use a shot glass with the line marked on.
This is for her medication.
On hind sight, I think we had marked it too high as there seems to be more water left over after syringe is full so I think we have mistakingly weakened the dose.

BUT, the smelly wind has appeared again (olivia's not mine).
Don't know what to think and im exhausted trying so many different angles and never getting a conclusive answer.

CTFN I remember you have swapped to Nutrigamin but can't remember why - what happened to alert you to a problem?

Sorry for long post. Abusing the peace and quiet as DH taken DS out to his mums retirement meal tonight. Im using the excuse that Olivia's feeding too erratic and with them all being a bunch of fanny's who scarper when I go to feed her (particularly his dad) im sure they are glad im not there flashing my tits bits!

Oh and thanks crumpette just going to look at those bottles.

Mama2moo. Krispy Kreme's by no means close by... over a 2 hour drive... but soooooo worth it

Ah go for three those of you thinking of it I'm loving three. Three is the magic number... or maybe four is

DS2 would never take a bottle. I ended up BF till he was almost two. DS1 took a bottle eventually but not with a teat on, more of a spout. Boots did them for the stage between bottles and cups, but this is almost 7 years ago now. Not sure if they still make them, so not even sure why I'm mentioning it. I think my brain may have melted slightly... or maybe it's too much sugar... or not enough sugar. I need a donut.

wmdo I didn't mean to be unhelpful was just relating what happened with dd1. Definitely worth pursuing crumpette's bottles now so that you not in that situation. Will she take bottle from someone else who maybe doesn't smell of mummy's milk?

I know exactly what you mean about having no 3. Dp and I decided to wait 2 yrs and see how we feel then. We must be mad...

WMDO - Olivia was screaming an awful lot during feeds, after feeds, as though in pain. She was also sick a lot, particularly a couple of hours after a feed, rather than just an initial posset. It was the screaming that alerted me, so I went to GP querying reflux. She had the sickness from birth and lots of congesion but midwives said it was all to do with be a c/s baby. Finally got the paed appt but had to wait almost 2 months. He said that it was classic reflux and because of my family allergies, it was highly likely to be a cows milk intolerance, hence trying the nutramigen.

I have to admit that she is feeding so much better - I get full 4oz bottles down her and sometimes more now at every feed , although she is still quite sicky. We don't have the screaming anymore and she really is just so happy and content. All in the space of a week. Miracle milk I'm calling it. I have medication too - ranitidine for pain and something else for sickness, can't remember the name. I'm only supposed to use that if she doesn't take the milk (which she does) or if the milk doesn't make much difference. I'm going to ive it a few more days and then perhaps introduce the sickness medicine if that continues. However, I'm considering just ensuring I have a muslin draped over me wherever we go as if she's happy and content, a bit of milk isn't going to hurt anyone .

Right, signing off and up to bed! Night night.

WMDO babymoo has awful smelling wind! Its quite embarrassing when we are out as Im sure people thinks its me!! I have started drinking diet coke again and my mum is convinced thats causing it!

Babymoo is now in 3-6 month clothes and some of it is quite tight - She is only 9 weeks old! She is a little bruiser!!

I cant recommend CO more. Babymoo is already using the other side of her head more and thats after 2 sessions. Her head is a very odd shape though so hopefully it will sort its self out now.

I don't know what to think CTFN. You know what babies are like, Im guessing all the time and don't know which is causing what IYSWIM.

What do you think....her reflux was getting worse just before I went back to dairy so even though she is crying more again, being more sick and feeding is going down hill again im not sure if it's got even worse because of dairy or if it was going that way.

She is definitely more windy and her wind smells again and her poo has that curdled look. Now again, there's been a change in diet so should I expect this anyway? Argggghhh,

Weigh in - excuse first then I will reveal my poor effort....

When I got the green light to eat dairy I ate my body weight in chocolate with the excitement so I weigh the same which is a relief (9 stone 10 lbs). Need to curb the dairy overload now!

There's another fatty who should join Fat Club - Olivia! She has always comfort fed with her reflux so even though she is dinky in length I think she will be well over 14lbs by now!!
This morning she is in John Lewis age 6-9 months shorts and a top and fits perfectly!!(4 months old - I think we have our official fatest member !

quirky you weren't being unhelpful at all!! I want to hear peoples experience so I know what to expect and can decide if I want to keep forcing the bottle. x

moo thats great re CO. Mine was good too but didn't help with reflux really. Would still recommend though.

ali - how are you and Jacob doing? Has he had anymore jerky movements?

wmdo - is every feed still taking an hour because of the reflux? If that's not the reason as you say Olivia is probably comfort sucking which may also be a factor in why she doesnt want a bottle. Jack was the same and i've managed to get his feeding time dpwn from 2 hours to 20 mins but I have had to give him a dummy .

mama2moo - good news about the CO. How many appointments are you having?

So, I stepped on the scales this morning and to my relief i'm still the same, 13 stone 8lb which i'm happy about because I'm a true comfort eater and with everything with Jack I might as well buy shares in Cadburys with the amount i'm eating

We are back at the hospital today to get the EEG results so fingers crossed they definitely have them and it's good news.

I have not stopped eating all week.
I have put the 2 lb back on that I had lost.
Back to 10st 12
bum
I'm hoping now DH is back at work and the boys are back at school I will not feel the need to snaffle around the fridge.

Good luck at hospital today New

Morning all.

So weight today is 11st 7lb, which is a drop of 2lb from last week and a gain of 1lb from orginal weight. I'm ok with this as I've stuffed my face with biccies and chocolate and done zero exercise (bit of a backlash from the 4lb gain last week).

I've got no idea what Tobin weighs, although he's at the tail end of the 'up to 3month old' clothes in length (he's 12 weeks) which is roomy in width with 3-6 month socks getting a little tight....he really is an odd shape. Everyone comments on how little he is, I'm not sure if they mean small for his age or whether they mean he's a baby .

I read a great little mantra the other day of the weaning site... Food is for fun before year one. That breast milk is enough until they're a yr old.

New really hope you get some answers today
Jacob still struggling with the virus/side effcts from the jab so definatly going to put the others on hold until he gets a bit stronger.

Not sure if he is still having episodes or its just the way he goes. His reflux is still quite bad and I've been reading that babies can't handle pain very well and it can cause spasm type movements. I'm back at the docs on Thursday.

Not weighing this week as I've eaten my body weight in food Hopefully be back on it next week.

I refuse to weigh myself today will do so tomorrow

WMDO I got the bottles from this website they were brilliant but it seems they've buggered off on holiday. Tbh I still haven't got him used to them so I am newly inspired to try and express some milk each day and try and give him it each day (??) says she typing on MN while BFing

Also all BF babies can generally cup feed a bit but that's not very convenient if you're not with them iyswim, but in the event that you'd like to give it a try, look here about halfway down it gives tips

alibobins I was so sorry to read about Jacob, tis one thing after another. I know nothing about reflux so I can't comment fairly on the movements you describe, but DD had those movements- dystonic movements/dystonia- with her, she cried afterwards as if it caused her pain. If it is not due to reflux, they are many ways of helping and children are totally cured of it sometimes with either drugs or physical therapy. Also there are some wacky ways to deal with it like botox. BUT of course for Jacob it may be reflux so being on the other end of a computer I cannot comment fairly and it would not be right for you to worry, but please do keep on taking him back if you are concerned- really trust your intuition. RE the vaccinations you do not have to have Jacob vaccinated, and you can choose to wait until he is a lot bigger for the third set.

Good luck today Newbeginning but it does sound exactly like Jack was fitting in the car? What a worry for you. Again a neurologist will help and there are many drugs if necessary if there is a problem. Well done on the weigh in.