June mummies 2 - the gangs all here!!

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one crisp new thread!

Sorry I haven't been around - fell asleep on my sun lounger and got a nasty sunburn. Forgot there was at least one Spanish speaker on here...saw your message Lua and couldn't stop laughing. No idea what it said though

Trib, great photos of Toby, what fantastic hair he's got. I've replied to your CAT. I'm very impressed that you'll be bringing your own babysitter when you come up north.

Lippy, how frustrating. Hope you've got your DP up and busy helping out now. DH came home from work on Friday saying he'd been busy all day and was suffering from a headache so he took himself off for a nap for half an hour, leaving me with a toddler who was exhausted from his three hour tantrum, and a hungry sobbing baby. I wasn't civil when he finally got out of bed.

Tessiebear, I honestly don't know how you cope. Has your DH got any holidays he can take so he can be at home more?

Have a lovely time in Berlin Berolina.

Welshie, I really hope your DS has a better night tonight, you must be knackered.

Well DS2 has had two massive feeds in the space of an hour so I'm completely emptied out and have got my fingers crossed that it means he'll sleep for a bit longer than three hours.

hi all

I'm off to the docs this afternoon in a bid to see if all is well with Ds. We were up from 3am to 7am this morning with him groaning (in pain? he sounded uncomfortable) trying to pass wind. This is after using dentinox and getting some burps. Maybe I'm wrong, but surely it's not normal to be sooo windy all day and all night?????? Even the midwife was surprised at the level of wind that he brings up - sounds like grown up burps and farts.

glad to see mums of 2+ all finding it hard work. I really miss spending time with my Dd gonna try and work something in so we have a bit of time together. Good news is I CAN express milk this time (not a lot but 3oz is better than last time!) so should be able to get some baby free time.

redhead-we're having the same problem here with burps and bottom burps.ds sounds like a man too.he also(after burping!)twists his face and looks like he's in pain and really distressed.i asked the hv about this,this morning and she said it was normal.i also asked whether perhaps he had more wind and was told if he had wind then his top lip would be blue in colour,so i'll look out for this next time.also mentioned ive been using infacol and she said you HAVE to use it every time or you'll go back to square one.was also told it takes about 5 days to kick into their system.

trib-toby looks absolutely gorgeous!!!

kvg-im also convinced oscar is smiling.he was 5 weeks old yesterday.he isnt didnt it very often but im sure its a smile and not wind.
i read somewhere its normally around 6-8 weeks when they start but i guess,like everything else they're all different.

had the health visitor here this morning to measure oscar's head and its gone down by half a cm so thats good news.she didnt weigh him though,so looks like ive got to wait another week to find out how much he weighs.

also off to the hospital tomorrow to see the specialist about his feet,so fingers crossed it all goes well.

hope everyone's well.xxx

I can report a high level of farting and burping here too - from ds - although curiously I tried raising the head of ds' mattress last night when he seemed to be having real trouble settling and it worked like magic - so it won't tonight for sure
Let us know what they say Red.
Glad OScar's head is getting better bubb
KVG - if you think they're smiling at you then they are - that's my rule, we've got to the whole face gummy grin stage here and it's just SOOOOO sweet.
xxx

Lynny - I have a premaxx sling for popping to the shop with. I couldn't wear it out on a long walk as the distribution of weight hurts my back.

Not much happening here - been away for the weekend. I am so behind on the thread I don't know what is happening with anyone. Though I did catch something about breast feeding problems. Honestly even when it going well its so difficult. Its really physically demanding.

anyway I'm off I'll catch up another day.

all's well here

dd1 finished nursery for the summer today but at least dh is home to, so lovely family summer for us.

we're around most of the summer, in france from 11th-20th of aug, with mum dad my bro and his wife, so 6 adults to 2 children great.

have also booked a flight ti italy for dd1, was only going to take dd2 with me but my babysitter couldn't defineatly make it so its me and the girls sorrento bound!! thankfully mum is coming too!

It is quiet isn't it.
Anyone else feeling slightly out of control?
This go with the flow approach to motherhood is really testing me, I feel like I make no 'progress' towards any sort of predictability at all. I did tell myself that I'd do it until 3 months and then take stock, it goes against my personality though.....
That said ds had his best night for wind for ages - just wanted to feed ALOT and I'm knackered.
Hope everyone is doing ok and getting some kip,
Welshie
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Hi gang

Hi Welshie, I don't know about feeling 'out of control' describes my life atm. I do sometimes feel that my life revolves around doing the 'basics' to get through the day. Any jobs or chores take at least 10 days to get started or complete, from small things like phone calls to large things like 6 loads of washing Dd2 is still only 3 weeks, so we aren't contemplating a 'routine' for a while, also going away next week so definitely no routine will happen then. Perhaps when one tries to establish a routine that's when one feels less in control, because benchmarks and targets have been set, which, if not met, can leave you feeling like shit and a 'failure' - which of course, we are NOT !!!

I know that I am feeling like a feeding machine, I remember it so well from dd1. But, I wouldn't change it for anything, it works so well for us.

We're all in the same boat, all sliding along from one end of the scale to the other on any given day, from good to hellish!!!

Speaking of hellish, dd2 is going through what I understand a 'cluster feeding' period SO I have to go!!!!

xxxxx

hey mums hugssssssss

just a quick message william is settling better now
top up feed has deffiantely worked hes goes 3 to 4 hours during the nite which is heaven lol.

Midwife been today and he now eighs 7 1b 11 nearly his birth weight so i know ive done the right thing for both of us.

ok got to go baby crying love to you all and thank you for all your kind advice xxxxxxxxx

It is quiet around here at the moment, although I did see one of the June 04 mums talking about our threads the other day, and she said we'd already posted more in a month than they had managed in a year

Redheadmum, how did you get on at the doctors? I hope they were able to help out, you must be at the end of your tether by now.

EYM, good news about William!

Welshie, sorry things are getting on top of you at the moment. I don't know if this will be of any interest/help but I have tried to start a bit of a routine for DS2 - the day time sleeps are completely random but I'm not letting him sleep after 5pm, then I try to put him to bed after a bath and big feed, about 8pm. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't (last night for example he didn't settle until 9.30). He then feeds approximately every three hours until morning. It's helped me feel like I've got a bit more control over everything (only a bit mind you, it's still pretty chaotic here). DS2 isn't suffering with wind to any great degree though, so I'm sure that makes things more straightforward.

Lippy, you are so right about the sliding scale - unfortunately in the early weeks it doesn't take much to knock us back to 'hellish'.

KVG, it's so good to read you sounding much more cheerful.

Well DS2 is also smiling now and it is wonderful - it makes me want to cry every time he does it

Have to go now, DH has come home from work early for a change.

KVG - just down to Cardiff to catch up with some friends and the little man have a slobber fest with his aunties.

I have a constipated baby he is now very upset because he can't seem to do a poo It is quite tiring going from a baby who whimpers to one who out right cries because he is straining so hard to go to the loo. We are off to the Dr later. what can they do for newborns with constipation anyway? He goes from happy to very crazed a few times a day. he finds it really distressing.

I don't ever really think I'll have a routine routine. As long as he knows the difference between night and day thats me satisfied. I've never had a rountine myself. I just get up for things when I need to and slob around the rest of the time. I acknowledge the morning but don't like to go out till after the Wright stuff on 5.

Not many people around at the moment. Its tiring and whole days go feeding and changing nappies so the puter takes a bit of back seat. Keeping up with the thread used to be a full time job on the antenatal thread.

Hope everyone is feeling ok

hi - y so long to get back but you know how it is....

the doc was v unsympathetic she said that her 1st did nt sleep for 3 months so she was the wrong person to ask........prescribed infacol and told me to return in 2 weeks. i guess that really I think the anti biotics have stripped his intestines of all his good bacteria which is exacerbating his wind, but what do I know eh? the doc did say this was possible, but I have to live with it....maybe I just want an answer so i get some sleep......anyway will see how it goes. WM I sympathise, cos I really wanted to go with the flow etc etc, but this becomes harder when sleep deprivation kicks in. I'm starting to feel confused and lack confidence in how I put ds down to sleep now. I'm trying to take a deep breath and start again before I feel it goes completely pear shaped

on the smiling, thing I'm sure it's around 6 weeks but like anything your baby can do stuff 'early' and 'late'. I think my Ds has started smiling, and who cares if its wind!!! He looks absolutely adorable when he does and that's enough for me!!

on routine, I'm gonna start the bedtime routine at 2 months. I've got a book that says this is a good time. I'm looking fwd to doing the two together. At the moment the put down is absolute chaos as Ds is always v unsettled at bath bed time - v difficult to have a screaming baby and read calming bedtime stories!! Anyone else doing the 2 on their own? what do you do? am thinking of sticking Ds in the sling and seing how that works.

forgot to ask, do you give infacol at every single feed or just the night feeds? I've just been d oing night feeds but should I do all?

ds is not at all keen on it - spits it out!!

mrs w-also feel like a want to cry everytime ds smiles at me,plus the fact i still cant quite believe he's here.

not only has he had the accident to contend with but he had his appointment at the hospital today about his feet,and they've put his whole leg in plaster.
got to go back every tuesday for it to be changed and to see the consultant in 6 weeks time.he might also have to wear special boots for a bit afterwards-we'll have to wait and see.

hi pink-sorry to hear about the constipation.hope the doc's given you something for osiris to take.

rhm-i was told infacol had to be given before every feed otherwise you break the cycle and your'e back to square one.ds also spat it out in the beginning,but persevere and he might grow to like it.

Oh Bubb, that must be really hard for you to see him like that. Poor little thing. The only good thing is that he won't remember this at all (and at least he isn't trying to walk yet).

Pink, hope you get the constipation sorted.

Well, I've taken my first steps to tackle the baby weight and have been to a gym to do circuits. An hour later and I'm still bright red in the face and I'm already starting to seize up.

Redheadmum, DH usually does bed time stories for DS1 but when he isn't here it is a struggle because DS2 is usually hungry at the same time and it's really hard to feed, read and turn pages at the same time.

evening all

hugs all round!!

we don't have aroutine yet but from about 6pm until 9ish DD2 feds and naps then one final feed and sleps for 5-6hours!! yeah!!

KVG - were going to La Touquet just outside calasis

well i've spent the day reading The Da Vinci code which was great.

DD2 started smiling bang on 6weeks and now has a full spectrum of different smiles, some lopsided ones and some full on beamers!

Morning all, sorry i've not been on for a while. My pc was playing up.

Bubb, sorry to hear about your little boy. That must be so upsetting for you to have to see him like that. Like someone else said though, he wont remember anything about it.

Pink, hope you sort out Osiris's constipation. One of my friends was shown by her GP or MW a way of massaging her DS's tummy to help move everything along. She said it worked well for him. Dont know if you've tried massage already though.

Katz, The Da Vinci Code is fab, isn't it? I've finally started my Harry Potter. I'm so excited!!!

Its such a relief to realise once again that we are all going through the same traumas. It makes it slightly more bearable when i take DS for yet another evening stroll to help settle him (doesn't work. He starts crying the second he's back home), that everyone is having constant feeding/crying/no routine issues. I feeling a bit despondent at the mo, however I suspect its more to do with the fact that i'm having him circumcised in the morning and I'm quite worried about it. This isn't looking for comment really, just looking to winge. Sorry for the "me" thread. Hope you all have a good day.

morning all,

thanks for your messages.

everyone's sadi the same about ds not remembering any of this when he's older,but im sure right now he wishes he was back in my tummy where he was nice and safe.think he's certainly going to be a tough cookie when he grows up,after everything he's already been through.

jonah-sorry your'e feeling a bit down at the mo.oscar was crying the other afternoon so i took him out for a walk.we were out 2 mins and he was asleep.we stayed out for about an hour and as soon as we got back he woke up and started crying again!!
dh even took him for a drive to romford and back the other evening-that worked a treat.
im sure the circumsision will be fine-my little brother weed all over me at his!!!

hope everyone else is fine.

bubb - sorry to hear about yr little one - its so hard to see them like that....hope all goes well

thanks for the infacol advice - must put in practice now!

glad to say we had a much better night last night - a whole block of sleep!!!!!!

routine- the routine is there is no routine. I remember this did my head in with Dd as I never knew where I was, now Im much more in tune with the chaos of baby time and try (I say TRY) to go with the flow a bit more. It's much easier though once they start going down at a regular time - no idea when that is though (can't remember!)

any other mums thoughts on putting down 2 at the same time??

Gosh, I haven't posted for so long this thread has fallen off the "threads I'm on" link

Jonah, hope the circumcision goes well. Are you having a party/celebration?

Bubb, poor little Oscar. Hopefully he'll be fine though. My niece had to be in plaster on both legs when she was considerably older (hip problem) and it was not nice. I had a momentary flash of what it must be like for you when you fell down the stairs - I managed to trip over Toby's vibrating chair when I was carrying him, fortunately I fell on to the sofa so other than being a bit pissed off at suddenly landing face down on the sofa he was fine. I was a complete WRECK, however, cried for about half an hour (he cried for 5 seconds). I seem to have managed to jar myself quite badly, which is an achievement for falling on to a sofa. Still, we're all well.

RHM - at your doc. Not very helpful, is it? Infacol at every feed is our watchword.

Pink - my book "Kidwrangling" says one possible remedy for constipation is a tiny amount of sugar in water - I think. I certainly wouldn't advise trying this without talking to your hv first though.

KVG - I can't see Toby's fontanelle anyway as he has too much hair! (Obviously can feel it to see if depressed or raised). Bulging is bad, that I do know.

Welshie - if I were feeling only slightly out of control I would be v happy As it is, I feel constantly on a knife-edge. But I'm sure it will get better. I think having dh at home means I haven't had that 'baptism of fire' that most first-time mums get when their partner goes back to work.

Routine - no chance here, although Toby sleeps pretty well, so we're not complaining. However, last night he didn't have his usual colicky episode in the evening and I suspected we were going to be in for a 2 hour session in the night ... which we were. In such circs, would people advise trying to get him awake in the evening for a bit? (He is 5 weeks today). If so, how?! At the mo it seems like he will just crash out as and when it suits.

Hope all are well! I wonder if the ante-natal group will manage to beat our record. The final thread was about 800 messages long, however, so I think technically we should have gone to a new one at 500-ish and be on 17 threads, not 16