June mummies 2 - the gangs all here!!

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one crisp new thread!

lippy-have you tried sesame and pumpkin seeds also? they always get things moving for me.also find peppers and peas do the job too.

welshie-hope you enjoy your hols,you lucky thing!

coop-im with you on the walking.im not exactly the fittest person or use to exercise but we've been going to the park at about 8am every morning which is a fair distance from me.lets hope the pounds start to drop off soon.
our travel cot btw is a graco contour electra.it even comes with a changer and a hood with 3 dangly toys which is great!
great news on the potty training-sounds like your dd is managing to master it ok.

mandy-ds is the same.he used to fall asleep straight after each feed but now he seems wide awake for so much longer,which can be really frustrating sometimes.

trib-cant offer any wise words on the reflux etc,but the screaming fits do throw you a bit.we were out today when he decided to scream the place down.luckily my mum was with us so it wasnt too bad.dont let it stop you taking your ds out-it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks or if you get funny looks.babies are allowed to have off days too!
re the moses basket,ds didntt cry when in there-he just wouldnt go to sleep in it.he also likes to fidget and stretch right out which he couldnt do in there.

jonah-LOL at your ds's bath "moment" .

ds went for his first lot of jabs today.he was so good and didnt cry for long.think he's starting to get use to needles! the nurse told me to get some calpol,just incase he gets a fever afterwards and boy am i glad i did.
we were out all day getting his legs re-plastered and shopping and as soon as we got home he screamed the place down and just wouldnt stop.i also bought one of those head thermometers but it showed his temperature was normal even though he felt very hot.i left him in just a nappy and gave him some calpol and he went to sleep virtually straight away,so i dont know what that was all about.ive also noticed ds pulls his ears alot and someone told me that babies do that when they're teething.obviously he's not teething at 8 weeks but maybe he had a headache-who knows?!!
he's sleeping now and feeding fine so he cant be feeling too bad.

got the health visitor coming around again tomorrow to measure ds's head,so hopefully thats also on the mend now.

hope everyone else is ok.xx

Trib, I was reclining on the bed with my head leaning back between two bars of the iron headboard...not comfortable in the slightest! Let's hope we all have a better night tonight.

I don't think I ever sweat as much as I do when one of the DSs kicks off in public, it's awful. Most people who have kids themselves are very sympathetic, although some of the older generation seem to have forgotten that babies do actually cry on occasion. Grrrrrrrrr. Does Toby like being pushed around in his pram? Is it just the car seat he's taken a dislike to? I know it's easier said than done, but try not to let it knock your confidence too much - babies do cry, and you do get to the point where you just carry on regardless. If nothing else, you will get served quicker in shops etc

On the moses basket question - DS2 would fall fast asleep in my arms, not stir in the slightest when DS1 was shouting right next to his head, but as soon as I put him in the moses basket he'd wake up instantly. DS1 was the same.

Well done to your DS Jonah! Some boys seem to start early and if DS1 is anything to go by, once they've found it they never let go

Cross-posted with you Bubb. Ear-pulling can be a sign of tiredness, same as eye-rubbing. Hope he is ok after his injections. DS2 had his first lot a couple of weeks ago, and also had a big screaming fit about 4/5 hours after he'd had them, then fell asleep after calpol. He did seem very under the weather about 5 days later too.

Uwila, hope things are going ok back at work.

Haven't heard from KVG for a while - is she on holiday?

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thanks for that mrs w.he does actually rub his eyes also,or more like poke them when he's tired.

lynny-good luck with the new windows.im sure they'll do a great job and you'll really notive the difference,especially in the winter.

Own cots in own room? Gosh DS has been freeloading in my bed for ages apart from I want my bed to myself. He is too big for the moses basket and I am reluctant to put him in his own room as he often Posets (sp?) and coughs getting a little choked up. I have had to clear his air ways when he is sleeping next too me so I'd be terrified to have him next door.

I have to re arrange my furniture so the cot can fit in my bedroom. at the moment this is a big task as there isn't much room around my bed because of the two wardrobes. also badly placed plugs mean I won't have a bed side table to put a lamp on for my all important bedtime reading.

I haven't read any baby rearing books since pregnancy. DS seems to have a routine now that fits in with mine. He sleeps between 9 and 10pm and wakes for one feed in the night. He just seems to fit in with me. To be honest I am not fussed with books - how did they find out what they know anyway? I'm quite confident I'm not emotionally damaging my son for life. infact I am rather Blase for a first timer, I rather think I should be more stressed.

Coop - I'm walking for at least an hour a day and it is doing nothing as walking used to be my favourite exercise. However the pregnancy has taken such a toll that I need to do strengthening or my back is going to be weak forever. damnit

pink-i also havent read any books since ive had ds.i did read loads of pregnancy books though while pg

Afternoon ladies

Welshie - probably missed you, but hope you have a good time in Wales.

Welcome Blackheathmummy

Mrs W - lucky you on the why? front - irritating just doesn't go far enough to cover it! Sorry to hear you (and Trib) are suffering with up all nighties...dd isn't quite that bad but she firmly believes that 5.30 is the time to wake up and play, snuffling and thashing about in her moses basket until we pick her up, and then she greets us with a heart melting smile as she knows we won't be able to be cross then!

Coop - definitely sounds like you're cracking it with dd1 and the potty training. As far as going out we took the plunge and left off all nappies once we'd started in earnest (had a few fasle starts when we combined pull ups and pants, but this just confused him). As far as naps were concerned we used to put a pampers throw away change mat under him once he'd fallen asleep to save the furniture

Pink - read?...books? I haven't been able to do much of that since ds was born! Mind you glossy gossip magazines - always have time for those

Trib - is Cambridge too far for you to go? I'm about 40 mins away from there, so if you fancy a break and change of scenery and to compare notes and moan together drop me a line

Oh Lynny - upper back ache - count me in that group! Dosn't help that I'm the worlds worst sloucher either

DD is still in her moses basket in our room but will be moving to her own room and cot in the very very near future - hopefully that way she can amuse herself gazing at her mobile at 5.30 in the morning, he he he!

Hello gals and the occassional guy

Not such a bad day here. The night wasn't brill as I let dd2 sleep through from 9pm, instead of waking her for a 10 ish feed. Hence she woke at 2 and I think 5, instead of just the once. Never mind, it could be worse.

We're going to a wedding on Saturday, so I am going shopping for a suitable bfing, hoick-up-able wedding top. Joy. I have a skirt, shoes and crochet cardi already to wear, just need a decent top.

Pink, I didn't read many books on how to bring up babies either, except Gina. But, at the time, I had no idea what she was like, if I had I doubt I wuld have bothered. In the end I took bits from her routine, but not much else. If I look at it now I just get freaked out and pissed off because it's so difficult with a bf-ing baby (I find) and another child running around!!!

Love to all xxx

wow I wish william would sleep through the nite

hey Junies hugsssssss

Hope your all coping in this heat, sounds like the wakeful baby has started, william is the same 5 30 this morning think we ll start going to bed earlier and start getting up earlier.

baby wake chat laterxxxxx

Hi All!
Wow, it has been so long since I had time to post, that I feel like a foreigner!

MrsW, you are indeed lucky if you don't get the "why? s", it is absolutely maddening. My sympathies to you tea! I regret to say that my DD hasn't given up yet, even though she has been at it for 2 months now! Every now and then it works to tel her - why not? but usually nothing works... because I said so, is met with: why?

Much sympathies to RHM too! DD hasn't verbalized that she is mad with me, but it is 5 tantrums a day! So we are looking into boarding school!

Much respect to all of you doing exercise! I keepplanning on at least walking with DS. But so far, have not done it ! This is mostly due to the fact that not only DS does not have a rtoutine, but I don't have one either... It's been a bit crazy lately, with me supposedly being in maternity leave, and thus DH think I am perfectly capable of taking care of DS and house. On the other hand I have things to do at work everyday, which they also expect me to do.... Arghhh!

Megi - Hope you are ok! Drop a line when you can.

Sorry, I know I am neglecting lots of people and news,but I am really far behind. Hope all is well!

Tea - ds has had exactly the same approach to life for the last while. 5:30-6:00 is the optimum time to wake up and PLAY. (When my MIL complained she never got to see him awake and asked what the best time of day to come round was, I very nearly suggested she come round and entertain him at this hour so I could get some kip).

Imagine our trepidation when ds awoke for a feed at 5:30. What were the odds he would go back to sleep ... well, he did, and we all slept through til 9:30 this morning, what joy! Now he's had a major kickabout on his playmat (interspersed with throwing up, obviously) and let's hope will not be too grumpy when we got to baby clinic shortly.

Cambridge is about 40 mins for me too, meeting up would be lovely if you have time. I will CAT you.

MrsW, hope you had a better night, or at least somewhere more comfortable to rest! The only thing we've found to calm ds down from one of his major fits of crying is to be quietly in our living room with dh, which is what is alarming me about taking him into town, on foot particularly (to my shame, I still can't work the car seat on my own) as it would take me c. 45 mins to get home again, don't think the nerves could take it. He doesn't much like his pram either Really he is a happy baby but only as long as he gets his own way in absolutely every matter. (Not dissimilar to his mother in that respect).

Lynny, thanks for the tips. I think we will have to get him a cot and see what happens. We prop him up in the same way in the pram to stop him from sliding downhill, so I know what you mean.

Pink - you definitely shouldn't be more stressed. Sounds like ds is a winner!

Lippy, amazed you're managing to bf with another one charging about the place!

oh...
Coop - Gina is here (and she is horrified....)! Thank you!!

Jonah - Just came back from Sainsbury (by your house) and thought, humm.. wonder if Jonah is here?
We should plan to meet for coffee next time we are due for shopping!

Ha ha ha Lua - you just reminded me - we get the same answer to 'because I said so'...but I have found when you really can't take any more ask them 'why do you think?' that usually stops the onslaught...well for 10 mins anyway!

Trib - fab will check out my emails later tonight when dh can have the kids, he he he! BTW have you tried a sling - dd is much more settled in hers and nearly always sleeps the whole time she's in it (of course I've just jinxed myself now! ) And re the cots - just remembered one of the baby catalogues does some lifts for the feet of cots to raise baby's head...this may help with the reflux? will seek out the link later for you

...got to go dd crying and Lynny - I think she'd give Jessica a run for her money in the loud cry stakes!...x

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lynny-you've got me worried now!
ds sits in his swing quite a bit,as he loves it.
we've also got a big playmat and we try and alternate the two,so he's lying flat some of the time,instead of being in an upright position.his head is also a bit flat at the back,but it was VERY flat afer the accident so i dont think the swing has caused it-at least i hope not.glad you've mentioned it really-maybe i'll try not to keep him in there for too long.
he does come out and sit with us though.
we went out for a carvery tonight and he slept the whole time we were there,but he's just woken up,so i better go and rescue dh from the crying

tea. I've just CATed you so it may be tmrw before the message arrives.

1-handed typing so excuse spelling!

Lynny, how is it possible the hvs have only seenm this child once?! I think your most tactful approach might be to say how great it is to see the hv regularly, anything that might encourage your sil to take her along. Then they can sort it.

Although this lack of stimulation is delaying her develop,ent, will she catch up? Obv it is not the same as Leona's problems but v worrying nevertheless. I'm sure you feel that they will reject your advice because you can't make a direct comparison as Leona was so different. Could you ecen give them a playmat or something, so poor bean could lie flat? Or invite her to yours so yu can swap babies for a bit? I would worry about a baby of our little one's age getting so little stimulation, never mind an older one. I do leave ds on his playmat to play on his own, though - he kicks away happily. I feel bad if I watch telly whilst feeding him Will ensure tmrw I engage him in stimulating conversation at all times!

Good to see you again Lua, I was wondering where you were. Must be tough having to think about work so early, my brain has turned to mush recently so I don't know how you and Uwila are managing.

Lynny, your poor god-daughter. Do you share the same health visitor by any chance? She could perhaps step up her visits after a quiet word from you. Or if you don't have the same one, perhaps yours might be able to contact hers?

DS2's cough has become a cold as well, so he was up coughing, snuffling and sniffling for a couple of hours last night as well, and decided against napping today too. I'm not going to complain (too much ) because the sun was shining here today so I took an old duvet out into the garden, put DS2 on it in the shade whilst I lay down with him and read my book. Felt like being on holiday, even if it was only for half an hour

Better get an early night, busy day tomorrow as the in-laws are coming. Also I've got to try on the bridesmaids dress I'm wearing for my sister's wedding in a few weeks - must go to bed to stop me eating any more tonight (I'm never going to fit into a 'small size 12' as she described it).

Anyone heard from Charleypops? She had a hospital appointment last Thursday wasn't it? Or is it tomorrow? See, brain turned to mush!

Sorry for such a rubbish attempt at a catch-up, hope you all have a good night's kip tonight.

HI all Had a horrendous time shopping, but dp saved the day I ended up walking round Debenhams with dd2 on my boob feeding madly

God, I can't believe some of you are going back to work??!! good luck to you!

Trib, it's really hard to bf with another child demanding attn as well. But for us it's the only way.

Sleep well everyone xxx

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Evening...just a quickie...

Trib - have emailed you

Lynny - don't envy you the decision...liked the idea of inviting her around and swapping babes...you could just put her on your lo's playmat etc and play with both of them iyswim without making it too obvious what you're up to??? Difficult one.

Trib / Lynny the cot leg risers link is here - may help with the reflux and also for others when lo's have colds and you want to raise their heads safely

Right must go am shattered and have been going to bed to have an early night since 9.30!!! Catch you tomorrow hopefully ds/dd allowing . Nighty night x

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I have just realised I haven't posted at all on this thread - how can that be??

I hope you're all OK - have had a quick scan but I don't think I can catch up on a full month's worth! Big sympathies to everyone with troublesome big brothers/sisters - ds is starting to act up a bit too. I think the honeymoon is over a bit - he's still full of the hugs and kisses for dd but he's hugging just a bit too hard and yesterday he yanked her head off me to stop me feeding her (so he was dragged off to the naughty step kicking and screaming, and dd was screaming because her feed had been interrupted, and I still had one boob hanging out, and that was the exact moment that the estate agent rang the bell).

DD is doing fine, feeds like crazy and is about 3 inches off filling her moses basket (she has to stay in it for another 2-3 weeks until we move as the cot is full of stuff, so I may end up folding her up to go in it ). And (whisper it) she sleeps - if I can keep her up until 9.30 or 10pm then she sleeps until morning. I know that this will probably change but I am enjoying it while it lasts, particularly as dh has started his new job and so is away Monday-Friday. We're all moving down there in a couple of weeks - have finally found a rented house to move into, no joy selling ours yet but then the school summer holidays was never going to be a good time to do it. Will be sad to leave here but I think I will be so pleased not to have to be on my own all week that it will take the edge off it.

Have my 8 week postnatal check next week - am hoping I will be able to get some exercise after that (am v impressed by those of you out running). I've got to the point where I've stopped feeling thin after the initial weight loss and now I feel blobby again. Was planning to deprive dh until the 8 week check too, but it's his birthday on Saturday so I think it would be cruel for the sake of a few days (particularly as I can't claim lack of sleep) LOL.

OK, will stop waffling and do the online Sainsbury shop that I really should be doing while dd is napping. I will try to keep up better from now on, I promise.

Morning - just a quickie as I have to pack a lunch for a picnic today with my mates nct class...have successfully infiltrated their group (their lo's are 7/8 months old) and am treated as something of a sage as they're all 1st timers and I already have ds...they'll find out soon enough you don't know it all just coz you've had one, two etc, but it's great to be considered old and wise, rather than just old

Lynny, the link info is with the emoticons, but basically for the link I gave you I typed \ link {###\here} - (no spaces when you do it tho!) the ### is the http or www address and to make it easy for me I bring up a session with the page I want, then copy and paste the addy into the bit where I have ### - hope that makes sense...it's easy once you try, honest - has to be otherwise I wouldn't be able to do it

Trib - have replied to email

Mrs F - hello nice to see you again...we have similar with ds, lurves his sister unless I ask him to do something to help like pass the muslin, pick up the bottle, amuse her whilst I get the bottle ready, etc - then he turns into a right sulky sally and NO is the word of the moment. LOL at the moment the estate agent arrived, sods law eh! Hope you get a buyer for your house soon, will keep fingers and toes crossed. Oh and completely agree with the feeling blobby bit again, you're definitely not alone there

Morning All - Trying to catch up on the thread, had a really ropey few days, with horrendous headache - finally worked out yesterday that it was sinusitus, so am now on antibiotics. Lovely DH has taken day off work today to look after dd (all except the feeding as she has decided to ignore the bottle when we try her on ebm). They have just gone for a walk to the shops, so I have 45mins of me time! Also DH slept in with DD last night, so I wasn't woken by her sleeping mumbles & grumbles, just to feed her at about 4am . If only I can persuade DH that this is the way forward, but he has to get up at 6.30am for work, so I would think chances are slim.

Lynny - don't envy your dilemma re GD. I think health visitors sometimes look at certain mums and households and make assumptions, they see a nice house, an intelligent 'sorted' mum and just assume that all will be OK with that baby and don't schedule any more visits. My hv came twice and then just said to call if I needed or book a visit to her at clinic, but then as in your GDs case, she won't see her in the home environment, so won't pick up on any concerns.

Lipstick Mum - re: feeding in Debenhams, I haven't bf in public yet, I have scoped out the decent feeding rooms in town and just bolt for them if dd needs a feed.

Mrs Weds - We have inlaws visiting for the weekend - do you try and step up the housework before their visit? I feel I should, as I don't want them to think their dil is a total slut (in the housework stakes), but frankly don't have the energy to do so - maybe I will just spray some cleaning products around just before they arrive and hope they don't look in the corners . They have offered to take dd out for a nice long walk in the daytime and then dh and I are going for a very early meal out on our own at a local restaurant - 7pm t 9pm which will coincide with dds grizzly time - not sure they know what they are in for!

Trib - is your ds settling any better for naps now? I am trying to catch dd on the first yawn, but she won't sleep in my arms, has gone off the swing, is less keen on the bouncy chair, so we have now resorted to the buggy, either pushing in the garden, or up and down in the hall. dd also has a mad scream most days at about 8.30 pm, and the only thing we have found to stop he is taking her out for a walk. And we live at the top of a hill - fine going down, but a bugger coming home!