June mummies 2 - the gangs all here!!

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hey

thanks for all your messages - so nice to hear that I'm not alone! I've just been feeling awful cos she's been so hostile towards me, and of course I can't help but be a bad tempered old witch at the moment!

I think it really will be a question of when she feels she can accept the new attention levels. I agree I NEED time out. Am planning a swim for friday (if I can get there for 10 - a challenge to say the least) and a swim on a Sunday morning too. We're giving Ds the bottle to try too so I'm gonna plan an evening out.

welcome to blackheath mom! I used to live in se london and often go to greenwich park am over the river now tho!

goodness I've picked up there's some friskiness going on...we did well in the early days,,,but so not so good now I"m sleep deprived and a curious toddler......say no more

Jonah - DS3 has been in his big cot from 1 week as he never settled in the moses basket.
He sleeps in his own room but i sleep in there with him (in a bed obviously)
With DS2 he went in his own room and own cot at about 3 weeks and was totally fine. I think you have to go with your instinct - as long as you use a monitor or your room is near his room it is as good as being in the same room i would think.

jonah-ds outgrew his moses basket at 3 weeks-he also hated it!
because we didnt want him going into his own room yet,we bought a travel cot which he sleeps in,in our room.its really roomy so he can a big stretch in there and the one we bought also vibrates,plays music and has a light which is fab for checking on him when things go quiet.
also,we're going on our hols in a couple of weeks,so we'll be taking it with us which is greta.by the way...its got 2 heights which is fantastic as you dont have to bend down!

hope you can make sense of the spelling.must be tired

Hello everyone

Well dd1 had her first day at nursery!!! I took her in at 9 and we walked around and looked at everything and then I said to one of the staff, "so, I should just go shouldn't I??" and she agreed. I kissed my gorgeous baby and she was taken by a staff member in hysterics Fortunately, I had a hectic morning and didn't dwell on it too much. I called later and they said she was "fine" (is that the nursery workers equivalent of the mw's "3/5ths??") Anyway, when I picked her up she was sitting at a table eating her lunch perfectly happy!!! I was so happy too!!! Another mum had been there all morning with her dd who was starting too and she said my dd was the most beautiful girl and so well-behaved So, I was mega-chuffed Mummy

Jonah, thanks for the running advice. I can't be arsed if I'm honest, so now I have a real excuse!! Going to the gym is easier as a starting point, I just have to join, then I can watch crappy music video's and Pimp My Ride on MTV

Lots of love xxx

PS. By the way, any of you exclusive breastfeeders managing to not feed on demand??? I find it impossible, hence routine fck ups too heavy sigh

Welcome Blackheathmum
and welcome back Tessie

Not sure I have the wherewithall to make the south meet. The girls are being Christened the following day so I should probably be at home, we'll see.

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lynny-and...i found out the spare DOES have one of those locks so im even more pleased with it now! sorry to everyone else-wont mention the car again.

Lippy,
I too like to run. I got the all clear at the six week check.... but whoa is my fat lazy arse out of shape... or is that in shape.... the shape of a beach ball!

I've only been a few times, but slowly I'm getting back into it.

Megi,
If you are reading this please post and let us know how you are. Are we still on for lunch on Friday?

Hi lynny70 - dd continues to be deeply scrummy.

I have a pile more photos, of which maybe 5 or 10 are especially nice, and I'll upload those to the albums within the next week I guess. Need to sort out 'brag books' for the grannies !!!

lynny: I have blindness regarding all that is womanly on MN. In one pupil, out the other with no visual processing at all. You are safe. Do continue....

Speaking of nappies, I met up with Giraffeski the other day and she was kind enough to give me a whole PILE of things to try out. I reckon we'll make the move within the next month (famous last words ????)

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My mac has a system where you can order TINY booklets (3 X 2 inches or something silly) so I'm gonna see if I can keep them sweet with those (doubt it)... they'll want 12 X 8 MONSTER prints probably, LOL.

PMSL @ farmers r us accusations. I imagine your dh shares my exquisite disgust at the iron - an appliance created to do nothing but waste time. Tell him he must one day buy a Brooks Brothers NON IRON shirt in New York (FIL bought mine)... they look GREAT out the tumble drier. Takes EXTENSIVE wear but always looks GREAT. Mine will soon be threadbare.

Giraffeski is an absolute jewel. She gave us some Imse Vimse, some Tots, some other ones I don't recognise, a pile of unused 'testers' to try prior to her NCT teachings etc. etc. The day was a bit of a blur as we were supposed to do a picnic in a local park, but the weather turned sour and then dw turned ill and Gski and Giraffelet had to tube it back home which was rather un-friendly of me in the extreme. Also, all the nappy talk went way over my head as there was so much to take in. I will do a brain extraction later in the week on her.

Go easy on the trampoline, you hear ?

Hello all

DD1 safely ensconsed at nursery, still crying, but she'll love it. I have dd1 crying and am about to go and bf for 45 minutes!!!!!!

Anyone else, still, ummm intermittently (sp) using the lactulose I am, plus heaps of bran and linseed and Lord knows what else to get things moving along.

Have good days all xxx

Lippy - a couple of things. I used fennel tea - supposedly to help with ds's wind and my milk supply but the side affect was it got everything moving again very gently and I really think it did sort out my digestive system nicely.
I'm also bfing and resorting to it whenever I need to to quieten down ds - I'm hoping he'll need it less and less as he gets older. He's going through a real grumpy stage at the moment and it's driving me barmy. I'm taking him to the cranial osteopath in a few days - am hopeful of that.
I'm going back up to Wales for 2 weeks tomorrow so I won't be around. Will miss you all ladies (and occasional men), hope the new babes continue to settle and the older ones turn on the charm.
Have a great rest of August
xxx

Hello all
Both dd's are asleep so it is my chance to jump on here.
Welcome Blackheathmum. Glad to see you. DD is still waking 3-5 times a night from 10pm but we live in Cyprus at the mo and so I am sure it is down to the heat making her thirsty. I hope so anyway. Seem to feed alot during the day too, on demand like you Lippy. On that note Lippy do you think you are perhaps a bit dehydrated with all the feeding and that is slowing your system down? I am having to drink loads and my system is still def slower . Have you tried Fybogel or equivalent. I read that sometimes this solves the problem more effectively than Lactulose. Not for everybody though. Hope your dd has fun at nursery. She will be loving it, but won't let you know .
EYM - Nam bottles are the only ones they seem to have out here. I never used them but I have two friends who swear by them and bought teats in bulk to take back to the UK as they hadn't seen them for sale there.
Hi Uwila,
Pink - Hope you can fit in some exercise time. I am just intending to walk and walk and walk, when the heat subsides of course
Grrr for you Lynny about AF. I am bf dd and was under the illusion I wouldn't get a period for ages. I guess I was wrong. I haven't really been ready for it so had better get prepared I guess. Did you have any of the breakthrough bleeding they talk about when you had the coil fitted?
Tessie - 8 hrs sleep wow. I can only dream of that.
Hi Hub - Hope you are all well.
Jonah - DD is in a cot in our room. We moved a chest of drawers to the corridor to make room (DH's obviously). She has been in there since we got back so from 6 weeks as she was too long for her basket too. Our mattress has only had 2 wks use. It is a shame no-one else will want it..
Red - Def have your time out.
Bubb- Your travel cot sounds amazing. Who is it made by?
Well we had one accident from dd1 yesterday and so far two wees and a poo in the potty today with NO promting from me. I am amazed and feeling very proud. We had such a good day yesterday. Both dd's on such good behaviour ALL DAY, which was great esp as DH was out for such a long time. So far so good today too. We went to the shops this am for food. First time with both of them. Thankfully I had a list as we had to be quick but dd1 was brilliant helping me and we were home by 10. Hooray.
DD2 is still feeding lots and lots because of the heat. She is not settling well for her naps at the moment either. It is so humid as well as hot that the fans are just blowing warm air around. My NEXT catalogue has arrived too and I am longing for all these lovely cardigans and jeans and boots that I can't wear out here until the end of November lol. I am not really complaining though as end Sep - Nov is lovely.
DH is home for lunch and taking the cover off the pool for me so hopefully dd2 will nap this afternoon so that dd1 and I can have a splash around. She deserves it as she is being unbeleivably good ATM. Kiss of death for this afternoon now lol.
Take care all.

Hi Junies - LOL

Have been AWOL over the weekend due to dd suddenly becoming even more high maintenance . She will only nap if rocked, joggled, buggied etc to sleep and then only for about half an hour or this morning for 5 mins at a time . Anyone elses 8 week old suddenly 'woken up'? Overtiredness is causing grizzling (both of us)! I just feel really hopeless when I can see her getting more & more tired and just not closing her eyes and getting close to meltdown . DH came home from work early yesterday, because I was crying before he even left the house in the morning, 'cause' I was scared of what the day would bring. Sorry to moan as I know some of you are dealing with this plus toddlers etc - don't know how you do it!!!

Still in dressing gown, but have a mate arriving shortly, so will get a chance to shower & wash hair .

Having said that she is a good sleeper at night, and last night went from 11.15pm to 5.15am without waking . Then back down for a couple of hours, but I was so excited, I struggled to get back to sleep myself.

Lipstick Mum & Uwila - running!? wow, I'm contemplating a yoga class tonight - can't imaging attempting anything aerobic, but then I've always been a lazy mare.

Welcome blackheathmummy - I'm originally from that neck of the woods - Lee Green, although no one knows where that is, so if asked I always say nr blackheath (much more posh!). Mispent my youth drinking bottles of cider on the heath in the summer, visiting the Prince of Wales, The Railway and the Hare & Billet. Up in notts now, but still have running argument with DH about south of the river being best (he's a north londoner).

Bye for now x

Mandy - I think this is exactly what has happened to my 8 wk old dd. She didn't used to fight her sleeps at all and now does the old startled rabbit stare in an effort to keep her eyes open.
Having been there before all I keep telling myself about everything like this is it won't last forever.......We will get through it. Chin up, you are not alone and you are doing great! It is much harder with the first one, at least it was for me. With dd1 I just kept telling myself that it would be easier next time round lol.
Take care.

Afternoon ladies, just popping in to say hi to all. Things are okay here although I am increasingly tired and thus unhappy - same old same old unfortunately.

Reading another thread yesterday, I am convinced ds has reflux, seems only able to nod off if propped up on my shoulder (hence I have been awake since 4, which is always fun). Gradually I can then lie him down more but am convinced if I put him in his Moses basket he will wake himself up because he needs to vomit He will sleep for short periods in his basket during the day but is a lot more restless than if he's on my tummy. Downside is that I am thus pinned down to the sofa and I can hear the Baby Whisperer in my ear saying "you will live to regret this you know".

Not sure what to do other than prop his Moses basket up even more to keep his head elevated, this doesn't really seem to work. (Really enjoying having bought a lie flat car seat for him now, I can tell you!). We don't actually have a cot for him, but maybe he would be happier in one, even though it'd be harder for us to prop up the mattress ...

He also had a massive paddy when we were out yesterday, fortunately just very locally but it's knocked my confidence back about taking him into town on my own

Lippy, glad to hear nursery is going well. Coop, good news about the toilet training, I was v impressed to read you'd got dd2 started as well

Right, gotta go, think I will put dh on notice that he will have to cook tonight as I am just too flipping tired (and it's his fault we can't get a takeaway like normal people!).

Hugs to all xxx

Ah, Welshie, we'll miss you too while you are in Wales, I hope you have a lovel trip home. Fennel tea makes a face how does that taste??? I may try some if I ever get to the health food shop ever again.

I too am pacifying dd2 with the breast/demand feeding. It's not something I ever wanted to do, but it seems to be the only way for various reasons.

One of the things I am doing Coop is drinking loads, about 2 litres a day. I try to anyway, but also on advice from my mw who said it will help with milk supply late into the evening and during the night. I hate fyboel, but I'll give it a go sticks out lower lip I'm trying anything and everything right now. Still, it is only 6 weeks post natal, it will go back to normal in time Im sure.

Dd1 had a good day at nursery, brought back her first paintings; one on a fish shape and the other painted with wool and string

I haven't actually done any exercise yet... I will let you all know when I have!! Oh, apart from the physio stuff they give you on discharge from hospital. Getting tum back in shape is mainly all it is, stop it blobbing over my jeans

I am starving atm, waiting for Sainsbury's to deliver. We also had a massive delivery of wine today, and i am looking forward to glugging down a nice Claret this evening!!

Trib, dd2 loves to fall asleep over the shoulder like Toby. She doesn't have reflux, but is quite windy. It is a drag. I can't stand to read another book telling me what to do, every time it doesn't work I fell like crap. ALso, doing all this stuff is nigh on impossible with another child to look after!!! Aaaarghhhh!!!

Welshie, hope you have a lovely holiday.

Trib, if I'd known that another Junie was sitting up at 4am with a baby draped over one shoulder I wouldn't have felt quite so lonely and pissed off. Are you going to see the doctor about the reflux? Really hope you can get it resolved. Just on the cot thing, you can prop up the mattress by rolling up a towel and putting it underneath. Have you thought any more about going to stay with your mum? It sounds like you could do with a rest and someone to look after you for a while.

I'm speaking from experience on the towel in the cot thing as I did it last night for DS2 who has caught DS1's nasty cough (hence the 4am sitting up with him) and is really struggling when he lies down for any length of time.

Lippy, the fennel tea smells like aniseed, so you'll be ok if you like that. I went to buy some after reading Welshie's success with it but sniffed the packet and realised there was no way in the world I could drink it.

Hiya Blackheathmummy. My DS2 is also 10 weeks, goes to bed any time between 7-10 but usually around 8 and I am giving him a feed about 11 - he rarely wakes up properly so I suppose it is a 'dream feed'. Not sure of the value of this really because he doesn't have much but I daren't risk not doing it now.

Tea, the 'whys' haven't started yet but I am dreading their arrival as I've seen one of DS1's little friends doing it and blimey it is irritating. I think 'because I said so' will be used a lot in this house

Jonah, DS2 is in his cot and has been for about 6-7 weeks as he didn't like his moses basket. It's next to our bed but I am tempted to shift him into his own room soon.

Tessie, blimey 8 hours!!! I am Glad things are settling down a bit. Will it get easier when the school holidays finish?

Can't remember who asked but I am bf and still going it on demand but the gaps between feeds are definitely getting longer.

Off to try and have a snooze with DS2 - DS1 is at nursery so all is quiet, and me and DS2 are knackered after being up for hours in the night.

MrsW, I shall send you positive vibes if we're both up tomorrow morning at a similar time. Poor little ds2, hope he (and indeed you) feel better soon. Do you have anywhere comfortable to semi-sleep in an upright position? We have what I call "Joey and Chandler chairs" so if I wasn't so rubbish at co-sleeping I could have probably got some zzz's in one of those - only problem being you then have to sort of hurl yourself out of them from a reclining position. That was bad enough when pregnant but with ds in arms, definitely not easy.

Btw, my top tip to those of us up for hours with shoulder-draped little ones: a hard disk recorder. Ours has a 120 gig hard disk so I have hours and hours and HOURS of telly to watch without having to leave the sofa. Not as good as sleep, admittedly, but a godsend when you don't have satellite or freeview.

Still undecided about visiting my Mum. She has really done a huge amount of grannying this summer and deserves a break. Plus I don't know how we could get there without me having to drive on my own with ds (there's no way dh could drive us and then come and fetch us). Definite feelings of trappedness and hopelessness I guess.

On top of which, MIL is having a stressful time and so is desperate to do her usual, i.e. phone dh and offload all the stress on him. So far we are just not answering the phone.

We prop up the mattress of the Moses basket with a towel, to no avail. How did those of you with babes in cots know the baby didn't like the Moses basket? Cried when put in, or kept waking up?

Evening All,

Thanks for all the advice re moving DS out of his moses basket. Glad I?m not the only one. I definitely think we?re going to move him into a cot in his own room in the next couple of weeks. I asked the HV if there is any reason how it could affect the risk of cot death and she said not. Plus, he is the noisiest, gruntiest little man and its beginning to prevent both me and DH sleeping.

Welshie, hope you have a lovely holiday!

Trib sorry to hear you?re having reflux issues. Its awful when they have a big paddy in public, it makes you want to go home and cry. I tend to find that people just give you looks of sympathy rather than annoyance. DS kicked off in sainsbury?s last week and a lovely young man let me go in front of him in the queue, telling me he knew what it was like! It did restore my faith in human nature somewhat.

Mrs Wed, hope your DS2s cough is better soon and you get a better nights sleep tonight.

Well, my funny story of the day has really shocked me. There DS and I were, having a lovely bath together, when I looked down and saw (whispers) that DS was standing to attention IYKWIM . I had to stare for AGES to check I wasn?t imagining it. He?s 8 weeks old!!!!!! How can this be????? Just to confirm it, he kept lifting his legs and hips up and trying to reach down with his hand. OMG!!! The male infatuation starts early, doesn?t it!!!

Jonah, it IS normal, I have read about it in one of my books! Goodness me. Explain a lot about the male psyche, doesn't it I think it was in What to Expect, but will have a look and advise.

Re: public paddying, Toby did attract a lot of attention today. Someone in Tescos advised me to take him out in the car (except he hates this, so we didn't) and on the way home, some random dude with a wheelbarrow (!) stopped and informed us he thought Toby was hungry. Because obviously that would not have occurred to us Anyway, he did also say Toby was bonnie (for my Nana, this is code for 'fat' but I think he meant it nicely) and that he has a 16-week old grandchild, so it's all good. Yup, no-one did what I would have done pre-pregnancy and make faces and say "god just take that child HOME", people are somewhat more sympathetic than you would think!

Re: cots, my littlest nephews were all put in their own room from a v small age due to general snortiness, they are all fine.

Trib, good suggestion. I?ve just had a look in What to Expect. I quote, ?Such erections require no particular notice on your part?. Easier said than done, when its staring you in the face . Glad people have been quite sympathetic to Toby. Like you say, you can tolerate their unwanted advice, as long as there are vaguely nice to you. However, lol at Toby needing to be fed. And there you were, wondering why he was crying having not fed him for 3 days. Duh??.