June mummies 2 - the gangs all here!!

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one crisp new thread!

hi there- my ds born on 22nd june too!

glad to read about the spots ds got lots - I assumed heat rash as he's not showing any other signs of illness (except his cold...)

had some good news - went for the scan of ds kidneys and we got the all clear!!!!! just have to see the paedatrician and check all ok.

glad I got a couple of 6 weekers on here as I was gonna ask - you got any kind of routine as yet? ds seemed to be vaguely setting but that's all gone to pot, he seems to sleep all over the place (sure that's been a 2nd baby too) and last night wouldn't go down for ages. Feeds in the night have gone from a blissful 2 to 3 or 4. This the same for you guys?

having a nightmare with dd - poor love is really suffering the attention deficit. we are trying our v best but she is incredibly tearful and naughty......

ps on nails - got a great pair of scissors that won't cut skin - much better than clippers. Just try Mothercare etc

rhm-brilliant news about the kidneys.

RHM, fab news.

From another 22nd Juner, yup, ds' nails have been growing like mad, we use a pair of scissors from Mothercare. Fortunately so far the toe nails haven't needed doing.

Routine - no chance. Although Toby is going through a phase of eating every 4 hours or so instead of his 2-hour habit last week. The night before last we had an excellent feed at midnight, feed at 4:45, followed by sleep til 9. Last night we had feed a midnight, feed at 4:45, followed by being awake til 9 I feel bloody awful now.

Actually, on that subject, what would you have done? Ds had fed and had a nappy change (as he was still awake) and quite content lying on the bed with dh (who had gone to sleep again). Would you have bothered staying awake to keep him company, or crashed out until he cried? I think I am physically incapable of sleeping whilst he's awake though, unless I know he's out of the house I guess.

Thanks for advice on nail scissors - I have a baby pair from boots, so I will give them a try when she is asleep .

Great to know there are even more 22nd June babies - Tribpot, interesting about the 2 hour feeding for your dh last week, we have just had about 4 days of this, but today has been more like every 3 to 4 hours, I had heard that 6 weeks was a growth spurt time. Regarding sleep, dd sleeps in her moses basket (or Jesus Cradle as one of our friends called it - until I pointed out that this would be a 'manger' biblicly speaking) . If she is awake after the feed in the middle of the night, I put her in her basket, switch off the light and leave the room to grab a glass of water, slab of chocolate etc to give her time to settle and then creep back in. Also, she often gets restless without properly waking in the wee small hours and makes funny snuffly whingy noises, but unless she properly cries, I go back to sleep .

RHM, As mentioned above, think dd has had a growth spurt, so feeding has been more often, but nightimes work out as: 1 feed at anywhere between 9.30 to 11.00pm, 1 at between 2.30am and 3.30am and 1 between 5am and 7am (if she has a 5am feed she normally wakes for a topup at 7am too). Feeds are approx half hour long, then winding and changing, so awake for about an hour each time. Hope that helps .

Sorry meant /tribpot re: night routine

am going mad - rhm you did ask about routine, - mummy mush brain strikes again.

thanks MM - v helpful always good to get detail. Incidentally, do you have a 'bedtime' and put baby down? (sorry but is this yr 1st or 2nd?)

we've had similar type of feeds here except his first one is slightly earlier.....

trib - I would have crashed out if at all possible....BUT when our ds was doing something similar found it impossible to go to sleep. I think we are wired to be awake and check they are OK.

glad to see there's no routine for others....I just can't remember what dd did at what point. Guess I'm just longing for that elusive sleep.

am gonna check out the swimming pool creche tmw. They are meant to take babes from 6 weeks. Thought I'd try and chuck both in for an hour and get a swim it might keep me sane. As mentioned previously having a nightmare with dd and need some respite. BTW anyone else read 3 socks, 1 shoe and no hairbrush? (or whatever it's called) about 2nd time around?

Evening all!
pheww! What a weekend! The weather was nice and we spend dome nice time together, but my goodness DD is just impossible! Sympathies to you RHM and all second time mums that actually have to deal with this all the time! DD is just going from one tantrum to another! What happened to my dear DD?!?!
I have also been fighting some kind of mastitis, locked duct or something... very painful! I thought the toe curling on the first weeks were bad... ouch! this is so much worse!
Of course these thing always happens on the weekend - so hopefully GP will sort out tomorrow!

RHM - glad to hear baby kidneys are ok!

Trib- I fall asleep all the time without knowing if DS is awake or asleep. As long as he is safe in his crib, I'll sleep until he complains!

BTW, DS has misteriously, and on his own started to sleep longer after week 8 - so here is hope for all of us that they do all fall into a better sleep routine on their own!

RHM -
xpost!
I havent read, the sock, brush, etc. Have you? Let me know if any good.
I have been desperately trying to get reading material on dealing with toddlers. Just got the baby whisperer solve all your problems - and found some useful sugestions!
Hope you manage to get a nice swim!

hey Lua

thought the book was OK, just skim read it as find it too much to sit and read all of it.

i guess it 's useful the sense that it says mums of 2 + do find it hard and the firstborns are just awful. I wouldn't reccomend it particularly unless you don't have honest 2nd time mums to talk to. I guess it was useful to clarify why my first is being such a pain in the arse and to help me rise above (well....) I kinda think MN is better! as we can all say how we are reaching the end of our tethers.....I honestly don't think I really lost it with my first, but I can see that I have the total potential with two. Ive been in tears at the hands of my toddler.....

will hold out for a week and half and see if there's any change then Lua!!

as for other reading material on toddlers....I think I'm gonna try and get some stuff about siblings

btw anyone else gonna be toilet training soon? I left it with my dd but it looms on the horizon

Hi again all,

I think the full line-up for 22 June is: me, charley, Coop, mandy and RHM, an impressive day indeed. I like that everyone else is completely routine-less as well, I have been feeling like we should have done more by now, even though I also think the fact we are all still alive is quite an achievement. Definite growth spurt happening, btw, for the bottle feeders ds was taking 3.5 ozs when first born but then went to c. 1-2 ozs per feed for quite a long time, but still put on weight. Now he is actually taking virtually all of a 4 ozs feed each time. He weighed 10lb 8 last Wednesday.

Re: changing at night, I hope I am not being an awful mummy when I say I don't change unless there is poo. Normally I change before the late night feed and then not again til morning, so as to keep the little tyke as close to sleep as possible in the night. In my defence, I have read this in books

Lua, MM, I might relax if ds would sleep in his moses basket/Jesus cradle/other biblical figure's early sleeping venue. But he co-sleeps with dh, so I tend to worry extra if small boy is awake but big boy is asleep as it probably means dh has become too tired to respond to ds if necessary. [Bear in mind dh is not 'normal' in this regard, although I believe all dhs have selective deafness when it comes to the baby crying!]

Problem with the moses basket is that ds hates to sleep flat because of his colicky tummy. I know we need to tackle this but am awaiting the arrival of The Baby Whisperer before trying to do anything now! Ds has been allowed to sleep on one of our laps all day for the last few days - although has also gone down nicely in his pram for an hour each day when we've been out. As this involves being manhandled down 2 flights of stairs en route to the pram this isn't bad.

Lua, hope you can get sorted tomorrow. I know I work for the NHS and all but really I do wish it didn't completely shut down at weekends. Obv would be alright if my bit did But I find the inefficiency in not making more use of evenings and weekends incredible.

hello all
busy weekend doing not much more than looking after baby, she just over 9wks and when we last had hot weather she had a nasty rash wich cleared up just fine without treatment and left no marks.

still amazed at amount of fluff which accumulates between toes and fingers.
re nappy change, i dont change unless its poo.
i was co sleeping on her first month, thought
cot to huge for the little mite. got her to sleep there during day and transition was painless. still usually takes 2to4 goes till she settles. always tired

Hello all - I missed you! We're just back from a week in Wales. Whole family have colds/coughs - pretty crap really - especially for my new boy.
Megi - so sorry to hear about your bloke's behaviour - they can just be so shitty - hope you're bearing up - thinking of you.
Charley - don't worry a jot about what other parents tell you. I believe in baby karma - if they're 'really good' in one way they're bound to be really crap in another
Welcome to sfxmum - I'm a bit late I know
Sorry to have to admit this but at 11 weeks ds still doesn't have a routine really - so hard to fix this with being on holiday and we're away for another fortnight soon too so I've decided to let it slide until Sept and then see where he and I are at.
Will catch up more soon - sorry if I've missed something important. x

Hello all
I have just ordered some beach shoes for dd2 so thought I would pop over and see how everyone is.
22nd was a very busy day!! According to my calendar it was a full moon but I don't think this is actually accurate.
Red - Great news about the kidneys. I have exactly the same kind of non routine as you. I remember trying to get dd1 into a routine was really hard work (tried Gina and failed) and I hated it. I am letting dd2 dictate at the moment and then I will encourage her routine if one seems to emerge.......so far nothing apart from a 2-3 hr sleep at 1200 which is wonderful and as dd2 is still napping at this time it is my Mumsnet moment!
DD1 has been OK but we she has had stacks of attention while we were in the UK. Our main problem is that now we are back she will not leave dd2 alone! Wants to hug/kiss/feed(!)/ rock/stroke her all the time. We keep dd2 with us in the evenings when dd1 is in bed as it is our chance to have her to ourselves. So different from when dd1 was born when we tried to get her into her crib in the eves so we could have each other back!
We are very lucky at night though. I change dd2 and give her a feed when I go to bed (between 10-11pm) and don't change her again until the morning (although I would if she pooed). She is in a disposable over night as well (cloth during day). She wakes several times overnight but I am very lucky as she literally feeds and then goes back to sleep again. Sometimes I am awake for 20 mins but sometimes just 5. I am also very good at getting back to sleep very quickly. I think this is a second time mum skill though as I could not do it at all with dd1.
Trib - I would have slept if he was quiet as long as dh knew he was there. Only second time round though......
Hi Lua and SFXMum.
I have bitten the bullet and gone for toilet training despite the bad timing. First day yesterday and we had one wee in the toilet right at the end of the day. I was ready to give up but was totally thrilled when dd managed it. No luck today though as we have had one accident so far and now dd is in bed so has a nappy on again. She is very excited by her big girl knickers though so I am hopeful if not confident. Good Luck.
Today is my first full day with both dd's alone (DH's long day). So far so good. We made it out to the Post Office and shop walking with the pram and toddler seat. DD1 sat and walked some of the way. Have managed to put washing out, wash up and cook a bolognaise and have lunch and get on computer so I am feeling good at the moment. I know it will all go to pot this afternoon though as I run out of energy and patience. I love the mornings and can get lots done as long as I don't stop. Once I stop that is it.... I wouldn't expect me to be so chirpy later in the week. DD2 will be very bored as it is really too hot to go out and I can just feel that tempers will begin to fray... Take care all.

Hia,

I've just joined Mumsnet, and I don't know what the eticate is for joining other people's discussions, so please let me know if I am intruding and/or I should be posting this message somewhere else. My dd was born on 7th June and I was just wondering if i could call on your expertise... I have been giving her Colief (4 drops every feed) since she was just over a week old as she was suffering from colic and infacol wasn't helping. She is now nearly 9 weeks, and I want to get her off it primarily coz I'm worried about giving my child the lactase enzyme (which is what Colief is) constantly at such a young age in case it affects her ability to break down lactose herself i.e. have a lactose intolerance So I have 2 questions:

1. Does anyone have similar concerns about Colief?
2. Does anyone have any tips about the best way to stop administering Colief - just stop giving it, or wean them off it slowly?

Morning mums hugsssssss

We had a better weekend william seems to be settling with breast feeding and yesterday he slept from 1 30 pm till 6 pm lol now we just have to get him to do this for nite time.

On subject of nails were the same we used file at the moment not to keen to use sciccors although if u can get baby ones might try that.

ok be back later hope we all have relaxing day xxxx

Morning!

Lol Lynny at your Minnie! Mine's also known as a noonoo

My ds was also born on the 22nd - That must've been the most popular day on our thread - I think I posted before that I reckon it had something to do with it being a full moon - It definitely was, I remember fixing on it during contractions whilst doing the hospital dash in the car

Those spots that some of your babies are having - mine had tiny little ones too for a while, they just disappeared after a few days. I probably made sure I kept his face extra clean, just using water.

Keeping their nails short - I bite ds's - seems like every few days they grow so fast. He has one long toenail(!) which I keep trying to chew off, but so far he's been too wriggly.

RHM - congratulatioins on your all-clear, that must be a huge relief I'm also feeding ds 3 or 4 times in the night - it's because for some reason he screams and screams through his last feed of the evening (usually about 7.30), and either doesn't take anything, or very very little, before he falls asleep hungry and exhausted. It's horrible. I thought it might be reflux as he arches his back away and I can hear his poor tummy gurgling, so he's been having Gaviscon in each feed since Friday, which I think is helping because he had started to scream/arch etc during the day too.

As for routine - there is a bit of one in that he goes to bed at about 7.30-8.00 after his (attempted) feed and sleeps, then in a morning he has always enjoyed a good snooze from about 11-11.30. Other than that I haven't noticed one unfortunately. I do bear in mind the Baby Whisperer 4 hourly thing, so I guess I'm (very passively and ineffectually) trying to get him into that...

Today, I've put him back upstairs in a darkened room for his morning snooze - I was a believer in having them sleep in natural light, but this meant he'd only ever sleep in the day for no longer than 45 mins tops. So far today, apart from giving him a quick slurp on the bottle 40 mins in, he's been asleep for 1 hour and 10 minutes!!

You're so lucky your swimming pool creche takes babies from 6 weeks. Dh has told me I can join our David Lloyd gym unfortunately they won't take babies until they're 3 months And I SO need to go

Lua - I'm pleased for you and encouraged to hear your ds is sleeping longer. Hope by the time you read this your mastitis has been dealt with.

Trib - I think you need to grab sleep whenever and wherever you can! Sometimes it's harder to sleep when you should because you get so exhausted (which means you get stressed) I am so pleased you posted what your ds is eating - I have been worried that mine doesn't take the whole 4oz everytime like it says he should in the books! He was 9lbs 6oz on Thursday.

Weshie - welcome back!

Coop - lol at your dd wanting to feed dd2 Good luck today being on your own - sounds like you're doing really well - and good luck with the potty training too

Hi Mojo and welcome to the Junies. Can't help you I'm afraid, but go to Archives (you'll see the link at the top of the page) and put in your keywords and see if you can find your answer there. If not, just post a thread in the Feeding section, there's bound to be someone about who can help. Otherwise I'd ask you Health Visitor or Doctor, it sounds like a pretty good point you have

We're thinking of having another baby already - now or never as far as I'm concerned. Do you think I should try to get my figure back first? Would this help get it back after the second baby? I'm a stone over my pre pg weight still which is a lot considering I was under 7 stone to begin with.

Might post a thread on it...

Thanks for advice Charley. Ps - my brother is called Arlo!

Really?! Wow - I've never met anyone called Arlo. Your parents obviously have very good taste!!

When I tell people my brother's names they always tell me what a beautiful name it is.

Hi Coop! Wanted to let you know that I emailed you regarding your offer on Gina's book, but I keep receiving my emails back after a few days. So I'm assuming you hange addresses... I would be interested on borrowing if it is not too much hassle. Don't worry about though if you never get to the post office. You must be incredibly busy!

Charley, Arlo must be a fantastic baby if you are already thinking about #2! . But I think you re right.... I think is better sooner than later. If you hit the terrible twos you will never want another one! But I'm really happy with number 2. SO I am glad I did it!
in regards to figure, I think is all up to you. \getting your muscles back in place would be a big plus. But weight wouldn't necessarlily concern me... I never quite got in shape between the two, and am now in better shape than I've been in a long time - although still have jelly belly! Of course is all on acconut of diabetes and super feeding the porky little guy...

So... GP visit was crap! there was a male substitute for my usual great caring GP. I don't know who was more embarassed to talk about my breasts, him or I. actually I do - him! He prescribed an antibiotic, but I don't feel he answer any of my questions, so still don't know if I should take or wait. I am mainly concern that DS can react badly to the antibiotic (heard some stories of horrible diarhea!), so don't want to take unless I really need to. Anyone else have any experience with mastitis, blocked ducts, etc?

Hi Mojo! Welcome to the junies club!
I don't have any personal experience with colief, but what you are saying make a lot of sense. many digestive enzymes are produced on demand. Now, whether to go slowly or cold turkey, is a hard one. Hope you fid something in the archives for someone that actually knows! If it was ignorant me, I would try stopping and watching if all hell breaks loose, IUSWIM, if it does I would add back in and start giving less at each meal.

What, Charley! Another already?!?! You are crazy. How many threads do you think you'll start on double buggies then?????

As for routimes. Well, I haven't got one either and go back to work in 7 days. He does sleep through the night and I've been putting him down around 8:00 or 9:00. But then sometimes DH feeds him at 7:00 so then we get him up again at about 11 for another feed just to make sure he sleeps through. So I can't really even call that a routine. I'm sure though that he'll settle into a routine when I start work again.

Well, new nanny arrived on Saturday and so far all is well...

Welcome Mojo!