Discussion amongst Mums with babies born in December 2008

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Hope you all can find it, Moms title was perfect I thought.

hello
Ah lovely daisy welcome back! So pleased to 'see' you again and hear how you are. Sorry you have so many things going on in your family - please let off steam here whenever you need. So glad you're back
Ladyt congrats on the Scan of Good News. Hope you have a fab time with your family tomorrow - do you think they'll guess you're pregnant?
Syb so sorry about the row How are things now?
Beans your labour tales are so entertaining I did my first public burp in my office today! My old colleagues were quite used to it, and I've been very self-controlled thus far in my new job, but today a little one sneaked out The others just laughed at me!
WG how are you feeling now? I can understand the envy thing. I think having LOs is such a major transition - it affects everything...your marriage/ relationship, your social life, your finances, your day to day routine, your holiday options and choices...and your childless friends are there advertising the Life You No Longer Have. I have found there have been times when I have longed for our old life, and times when I've felt so grateful that I have my gorgeous girls and feel so blessed and lucky compared to friends who don't have children. I think it's ok and natural to feel like that and you musn't beat yourself up for it. And your comment about burying your issues...have you and DH always been reluctant to air your troubles or has that been a post-dd change? It's a hard balance isn't it, between putting your head in the sand and addressing every issue that comes along - I think it's healthy to discuss things and for you both to be aware of each other's feelings, but I also believe there's a place for showing humility and allowing the other person to 'win'. Not easy. Sorry I appear to be rambling!
Rubs as others have said 37 weeks is considered 'term' so I'm sure your LO will be fine at 38+ weeks. It wouldn't be offered to you if it were a concern.
veggie gutting about your bikes. You seem very accepting and calm about it - must be your zen-like state
I'm loving the kids' comments - dora that's hilarious about God on the tannoy! And the Easter thoughts - such precious comments - you should write them down!
zj sorry you've been verging on man-flu. Hope you feel much better soon. I didn't get the press but I'll check out your links - thank you
jolly - are you ok?
effie glad your mum is doing well. It must be a relief for you. Have you had any more ds-inflicted injuries? How are the pox?
mom how bizarre about your one faint line?! Really hope you get a positive result soon
katie that's awful about the bullying. I agree that it's a good idea to chat to the teachers. They are ususally very hot on anti-bullying and would probably be keen to address it if they know you're serious. Did you get a response to your note?
Kiwi so sorry about the verdict. That must have stirred a lot of emotions for you - glad your mum is alright. At least you can in a way have some 'closure', even if it is not in the way you wanted.
Has kayz been on FB? Anyone know if she's ok?
aub has there been any resolution with the Finance person yet?
Sorry for those I've missed - I only missed a few days and there's been so much chat...
see you again soon x

jb cross posted with you - there you are! I'll excuse your recent absence now
poison so pleased about your brother's scan. Hope you're having a good holiday.
spot those pesky seagulls sound very irritating. Are they there all year round or are seagulls seasonal? I'm rather ignorant on the subject! DH got pooed on by one in Brighton when we were at a wedding, walking between church and reception. He was so cross and I found it really funny Naughty me!
wg I forgot to say try not to worry about the long cycle thing. Before I had Lucy I had only had about 5 periods ever, about 1 per 18 months/ 2 years! I was convinced I would never conceive and in fact managed in 5 months. After having her I got more regular (every 3 months ish) and it took a year to conceive P. Since P it's about every 6 weeks, but am still BF so don't know what effect that's having. I know it is obviously concerning and there are blood tests etc to check hormones and ovulation tests, but sometimes things happen despite our apparently mal-functionning bodies -and you have done it with Madam so I'm sure it will happen again.

I think they start up at daylight as they scream all day too but it doesn't bother me in the winter as it doesn't get dark til at least 7. Maybe I should persuade myself I'm a farmer. Either way, looking forward to clocks changing.

How are you, Trace?

Hi Trace, lovely to hear from you, you are so lovely you responded to everyone there but you didn't say much about yourself, ex the burp that was funny.

Spot I thought you were being very sagely with your advice for Jolly, then you said you got it from a book, made me laugh.

here is the link to my Moederfiets. The man in the shop was going to try to get it in ASAP but I think it won't be with me til after Easter. I am missing having the bike. We got the childseat for DS2 that is in the picture, which means we won't need our weeride anymore. Rubs how have you got on with yours. I think the new bike will take some getting used to as it's quite upright compared to what I'm used to with MTB and road bikes but i think it'll be fun.

hello my lovelies - yes, spot, i am here, but you guys chat so much, i can barely catch up. thanks for asking - much better! and i will happily shoot those fucking seagulls for you!

daisy - yay, yay, yay, you are back! we love hearing from you - so sorry to hear about your grandparents.

oh, and yay for poison's brother's scan.

i went running again on wednesday -it really is the way forward. have now bought new shoes and gear, so must keep going.

trace - interesting about your long cycles (way longer than mine). i think i'll wait for the next period (now on day 45 or so), and i might make an appointment with the gp. i will also go and see the accupuncturist again, but at £50 a session and a session every week i fear i may bankrupt myself. but who knows? also, having sex more than once every fortnight might help!

long story, but the girl from bloggate last year is due to have a baby in may - she is being insufferable about it - wanging on about how well she is eating, how much yoga she is doing etc etc. a mutual friend had a baby two weeks ago and it ended up being a c-section. bloggate girl is now telling everyone that mutual friend had the cs because "she panicked and if she'd only calmed down she'd have had a natural birth". makes me wish an unplanned cesarean on her. i am not a nice person, am i?

lovely weekends to you all.

Happy birthday Effie! Your poor DS1, I hope he?s not suffering too much with the pox? Those knitting patterns are gorgeous, I was only discussing with someone last week that I wish I could knit and create things of loveliness. If I could knit, I?d try this, I saw them at a craft fair and they are the most gorgeous things ever ? but many hundreds of £££?s.

I?m sorry to hear about the row Sybil, so awful, and I sometimes think the dwelling on it the next day is even worse. Poor you

Beans I?m with you on the feeling vulnerable when sleeping in the buff ? but strangely from the minute I got pregnant with DD I found I couldn?t bare (no pun intended) to wear anything in bed, but as soon as she was born I was back into my cosy pjs (much to DH?s disappointment). And grand news about the house offer, assuming this goes ahead, have you found somewhere yet or do you need to start hunting? (sorry if this is going over conversations I missed). I have no idea about finger nail cutting, I?m just letting DD?s break off at the moment as I just can?t get her to sit still for it. My friend does her DD?s while she?s asleep, but I always manage to wake E up when I try that

How exciting about the interview Invisible, good luck with it! It does all sound like an exciting prospect for you

Katie how difficult and sad for you and your DS, I hadn?t even thought about the prospect that DD could be bullied, and it is a very upsetting thought, so must be much worse to be in that position. I can?t offer anything practical ? but reading your posts it seems that you are torn between possibly offending your friend or leaving DS to suffer further ? if that is the case, then I?m sure your priority will always be to your DS, and hopefully your friend will understand this too. Saying that, I hate confrontation, so I don?t know what I?d actually do

Kiwi how horrible for you to get that outcome, when you least expected it, I?m so sorry

Summer did you plan a home birth last time (or am I making that up)? Are you hoping for one again, if you decide on VBAC, or is that not allowed bearing in mind the emergency c-section last time? I am just loving all this pregnancy symptoms and birth planning on here ? I?m quite jealous, as I?d love to be pregnant again, I?m just not ready for another baby yet so I?m enjoying pregnancy through you all

Aubi your DD?s plans for her bonnet sound hysterical (and prize winning IMO), I wonder what the other Mum?s would?ve made of that if you?d gone with it!

Hi Daisy, great to have you back! Sorry there is so much chaos around you at the moment

Friday tea in this house was not so exciting as Veggie?s, or Beans, or LadyT?s ? DH is out for an end of season meal with all the farmers who?ve helped him this winter, so DD and I had salmon and polenta, and shared a yogurt, as bad planning meant we only had one pot left in the fridge.

LadyT I am with you on keeping your secret for a while longer ? DH and I were a little sad to start sharing the news, as it was so lovely to have a secret

Jolly how funny about your DB asking to leave to the wall, but so sad he isn?t with you to remind him and poke fun of him for being so amusing

Trace I saw a post from Kayz on fb tonight ? she was out with friends, I think she?s happy

WG I would also wish the same for bloggate lady, I?m sure she will learn

I?ve just found out tonight that my cousin is expecting her second (her first is only a couple of months older than DD), and also we are waiting patiently for another cousins first to be born (due this week) ? even though I wouldn?t say my cousins and I are close, I just love the fact that a new generation of the ZJ family is being created, its so exciting and happy. I imagine my Gran will be bursting with excitement

Oh, and a very nosy question ? who?s RL initials are GM? I keep getting a friend suggestion for you on facebook, and all the mutual friends are Dec 08 Mums ? but you?re not in the fb group. You can ignore this question, but I do keep wondering who you are

evening everyone, I am feeling super tired and knackered today. Was very grumpy all day at work and then on the cycle home I realised it was because I am totally knackered and have no energy. DH packed off to pub with friend, me in bed with laptop. Much better.

JB MIL is like that about behaviour, and it winds me up as DH gets all paranoid about DS's behaviour when we're seeing her too and starts telling him off for throwing food on the floor, etc. And then makes out I am soft, just trying to bloody impress his mum. GRRRRRR....oh and not to mention when MIL feeds DS she won't let him do anything in case he makes a mess. GAH!!! He's fussy, let him feed himself and make his own mind up and throw stuff around and make a mess, that is how they learn. Anyway I am off on a tangent now. I did laugh at the wall thing!

ahahahaha, you are a perfectly nice person wg. I wish a c-section on her, and I don't even know her, hahahahahaha. And the phrase "wanging on" is just wonderful. Please can we have a hint where to find this delightful blog, go on I promise not to write rude comments, just to have a laugh (don't put link though or it will show her where it's come from in her stats) She will learn, even if she has a natural birth she will find out it's not all about a bit of nice breathing and not panicking (says she who was whipped in for an emcs within a couple of hours of being induced, so knows sod all anyway) What was bloggate about again? She was bitching about you going on about babies or something wasn't she? She sounds objectionable.

welcome back to daisy. I knew you'd come back!!!

veggie wowweeee to your new bike. That looks ace.

ladyt I too am excited about finding out the name when your no 2 arrives! I hope you get your way . We already know what our no 2 will be called if it's a girl, but boys names are still undecided.

Whoever was asking about kayz she is on facebook a lot and seems OK. I get the impression her RL friends are looking after her a lot and getting her out of the house, so fingers crossed she is ok at the moment. I am sure she will be back soon.

trace i am amused by your public burping and the restraint you have been showing until now.

Evening, we had what is known as "ovenables" in our house for dinner, along with apple cake and custard. (it is friday)

wg i dont think you are bad to feel like that, well if you are bad then I am evil...!

I have just joined FB, how do the groups work - and is it private from everyone else ?

Am sad but we are going to be making our own easter eggs tomorrow (plastic cases from lakeland, £3:50, bargain)

Wow WG it seems your bloggate lady has got to the bottom of all those pesky birth problems that require emergency c-sections. She should really talk to a gynae about that. She has surely found a way to stop unpregressing pregnancies, just stay calm, of course! .

zj x-post there, yes I did plan a homebirth last time, but they made me go to hospital because of meconium in my waters. Not keen this time, because of the small risk of scar rupture, I think it would just freak me out a bit to be that much further from hospital. My midwife (v pro homebirth) did actually say I might be able to have one if I asked for it, which I was surprised by, but that I categorically won't be allowed in the Midwife Led Unit. Which is weird. Anyway I may ask about both at my appointment. I only really wanted a homebirth as a) I fancied labouring in water, bought a pool, and this wouldn't be guaranteed if I went into hospital and b) I didn't fancy an overnight stay in hospital if possible. Oh and also the Midwife Unit kept getting full and turning people away, and I really didn't want to go to the main hospital bit. waffling again, but I wasn't particularly dead set on a homebirth last time, so I wasn't that bothered. And if I was to try at home again this time then I'd want to buy another pool as i sold the last one having thought there was no way I'd be allowed a homebirth after c-section!

Helloooooooooooo Daisy! Glad to have you back!

Lady - yes pick my birthday!!! What a great date to have babyLadymark2 will be almost exactly 2 months younger than babyrubes. But how on earth did you know when that was? Oh wait, it is on FB isn't it! I have a really strong feeling I know the name you like Lady, but I won't say, in case I'm right! I think you mentioned it eons ago when we met up. I will ask you another time hehe

Jolly / Trace and again to everyone else thanks so much for all your input on the section dates. I'm very happy with the timing now, and I am actually a bit that I doubted dates the consultant actually offered! As if they would offer to do it too early!

Dora I was killing myself laughing at your tube ride announcment / query from the little one!!

GM- Aren't those the initials of Poisondwarf ???

Well done BabyZoe!

Trace - you sound in good spirits these days - nice to hear!

Bloody hell Veggie - I've already had dinner twice tonight (once at work and just now) and now I'm hungry again - Indo T/A yum!

Preggo ladies - can I ask a sick question that will be actually right down Beans' alley? Anyone have any 'leakage' - and by that I mean I'm not sure what kind of leakage and it's usually after a pee so I'm thinking it could be just that (ie didn't finish properley lol) I don't remember it last time, however it may have happened last time but not sure if it's just becuase my frined had a little scare with a leakage problem hich turned out to be amniotic fluid and is now kind of being monitored... Mine might be just nothing as it's way less than she described, but every now and then it makes me just kind of go "oooh better double check what's going on etc" lol

NJAN I like ovenables. NJAN I think Kayz has to let you into the group we have on there. I mention my first name earlier my last name is K H O look me up and when we become friends I'll introduce you to the others. I can't remember what our group was called. Make sure you tell me who you are when you do the friend thing.

rubes I get leakage when I sneeze sometimes . already! What am I going to be like at 9 months?!?!?

Sorry I haven't noticed anything after a pee, but I did have some ahem leakage that wasn't while sneezing, etc, I was a bit worried that it was fluid but it was only a bit and then it didn't happen again, so I stopped worrying about it and thought it was probably just discharge (nice).

hmm summer it happened again just now and I'm thinking it's discharge and not from the pee channels at all -charming! Any comments from our Beans?

SL - you have tempted me... you could try putting the word picky and the word foodie into google and seeing what comes up - she is has now moved from the initial blog to doing this foody/health business. ooh, i am evil, aren't i?

Morning all - I usually squirt out a bit of pee when I sneeze or cough too hard. Have had heavy discharge this time too - grim eh?

Kiwi have accepted friendship on FB - shall we meet at 3 at Costa at CJ? I'll be the one with a blond little girl in a Bugaboo!!! and with the big tummy - that's probably more obvious! Then we can head back to my gaffe for a cup of tea!

You preggers ladies are so funny!!! Have just snorted cornflakes over the keyboard! I do seem to remember being rather 'damp' a lot when pg with DS. Tena lady girls??

wg can't blame you for wishing an unplanned cs on bloggate girl. See how bloody condescending she is when she hasn't slept for a few days, baby crying and she looks like shit. Well that was mefor the first few days anyhow

zoe lovely news on the new babies

trace how are you? You always say such lovely things to everyone but you didn't say how you were getting on.

According to Grandads Dr's last night they suspect he has lung cancer. But my Grandad has said as he is almost 80, how long do they think they are going to make him go on for? He is quite knackered in general tbh(nowhere near as fit as my nan) and does not want to go through what she has, so he is home and simply says 'God will call me when I'm ready and I can't do owt about it!' Gosh I hope I have lots of their traits in me they are so calm!

We are off to the zoo today! We aren't telling DD its a surprise. Can I also just take this moment to say how totally gorgeous DS is being. I could eat him up!! He has also started to say mama but usually only if he is crying, tired or hungry. DD has also been much better with her behaviour. And dare I say she has been a beautiful little girl of late. Right thats their cue to be horrors all day now!

beans, kiwi and whoever else is meeting have a lovely time

Kiwi - just to let you know - DD is fine, but she has bundles of snot - really gross. But it's seethrough, so I'm guessing it's not serious. i hope you still want to meet up, but quite understand if not!

also, kiwi - just checking - are your initials KC? And if so, will send you my mobile number and could you message me yours on FB in case we need to speak??!

awww kiwi and beans. beans my little quirts are def not exertional - it's just random and haven't had any at all since last night - weird. I'll keep monitoring though.

WG - that bloggate woman is my worst nightmare (had a little google) I want to gag. Sorry I loled big time at the 'drugless' bit - I've nothing against the odd bit of holistic stuff, but give me strength, there comes a time when modern medicine is essential! In my case fairly often You are not evil at all - i'd be wishing far worse!

Fingernail cutting - Jeez don't they just grow at the speed of light! Fortunately ds has always been fascinated watching me trim them so no advice there

I have buggered my shoulder playing solitare on my blackberry while slumped down in bed now v v sore and have to rest it or face an injection wish I had a different way I buggered it

or squirts rather

Beans - saw on FB - you are right about Kiwi's initials

WG - I agree with you. And I have to say, just let her wait til she goes through childbirth! I hope it's a breech!! Hahah! My GP said to me before I had mine - don't forget, epidurals were invented for women in childbirth - take full advantage!!!

Rubes - thanks for that info - will FB kiwi now. And I rather like the word "quirts"

x

Oh knickers, just did long post and lost it Will quickly dash out what I was going to say but in less detail...

JB - "please may I leave the wall"

Spot - the gulls, the gulls - earplugs? I know they only muffle...and a blunderbuss is what you really need...

Trace - my family won't guess I am pregnant as I look the same. DP has invited a friend along and I am a bit annoyed as I was looking forward just to seeing my family, and now everyone will feel they have to be on best behaviour. Also my littlest nephew is painfully shy and the presence of a stranger means he will barely talk at all DP is so unthinking sometimes.

Veggie - your bike looks very grown up!

WG - oh no, the bloggate woman is a nightmare. If it's the blog I have just found, and she used to be a tv producer, it reads like a Private Eye spoof. Hmm, Gwyneth Paltrow did the yoga/holistic stuff with her first pregnancy, believing it would lead to the easiest pregnancy know to humankind and anyone else was just doing it wrong. I think she had rather a nasty vb and then an elective for number 2. A cautionary tale.

ZJ - you had a very healthy supper for a Friday! I enjoyed mine, possibly because I didn;t cook any of it.

SL - don't set me off about MILs, mine is like a 1950s relic. I know she is always telling DP's sister to smack the kids, so she'd better not try that tack with me. My Mum, by contrast, thinks the sun shines out of DD's nappy I am not even allowed to have the tiniest moan about DD. Mind you she is like that about me so I can't really complain.

NJAN - making Easter eggs sounds nice! Yes, the Dec 08 group on FB is private and Kayz has to approve you as a member I think. Hope you can find it.

Rubes, you actually mentioned when your birthday was when I was round at your house, as I wsa saying my cs might be around end of Sept. Wow, did I mention my best girl's name? I know I told you my best boy name. I didn't think I'd mentioned it to anyone but who knows...If I did, yes, please keep schtum!

Oh Daisy, your grandparents are quite inspirational I think.

Kiwi and Beans, hope you have a lovely time today.

Right, DD is creating havoc in the dvds as usual. This mobility lark is nothing but trouble!

WG I had a look at the website and I don't mind her belief in holistic health, it's a growing area which has well documented success, esp in the area of what you
eat effecting your health. What I don't buy is that she 'listens' and uses a 'non judgemental' approach. I think her having a child will hopefully help towards her becoming a little less judgemental, and I don't think she needs to go through a difficult birth to get that, what she needs is to be truely honest with herself after the birth. I'll honestly say I didn't feel I needed anything more than gas & air and with DS2 not really even that. But what I will admit is there comes a time where you feel so out of control of what's going on that is scares the living crap out of you. I'm obviously talking about a regular straightforward birth here. I'm not saying there isn't a need for pain relief. But I really feel strongly about those who sprout off about what other people experienced or should have experienced whether it be positive or negative, based on there own experience (or lack of). I do believe natural was better for me and my boys and I will fight tooth & nail anyone who tries to stop someone having the same experience if they want it. However, I would also deck anyone who denied a women a C-section or critisized them for it.

I'm rambling aren't I and have completely lost track of what I was actually talking about. Anyway WG however our babies come into the world is good as long as they come into the world. I hope she had a good birth in that her baby is safe but I also hope she learns something about herself and all the other mothers that have gone before her, the births of which she feels so qualified to judge.