Discussion amongst Mums with babies born in December 2008

[Veggiemummy]

Hope you all can find it, Moms title was perfect I thought.

Verso hello, and oh thank-you! That's 38+1 so I feel better was dd an emergency? And you too Veggie, thanks - glad you said the lungs are fully developed by then! I was thinking all these horrid things like the lungs need to cook longer etc I'll ask about that cord cutting ddelay thing - I'd actually heard about that. I do feel better so thanks. I'd actually wondered if a lot of it relates to emerg sections as he did ask me if there were any probs with the first section and when I said no, he didn't seem concerned about dates at all.

Lady what did your consultant friend not bat an eyelid at? were her sections done around 38 weeks too? I wasn't sure what you meant.I think I'm happy enough now - after all these consultants have been doing it for years so I'm sure they wouldn't do anything they were half concerned about.
I'm going to take a look at H&M again soon at their newborn stuff for unisex

I second the fussy eater thing. I have already been firm but it doesn't make a scrap of difference here! He's young still I guess

Sorry Rubes, was rambling I meant vaguely that she just seemed to keep having them and not worrying about it - how that related to you I honestly don't know. Maybe the hormones are starting to melt my brain...

Hi Verso, I remember your elective section as it was of course the same day as mine I think it was just Beans and Kiwi meeting up so far, I can't make Saturday as it's a bit short notice for me but another time, another time.

Oh yes - Mom - SURELY if you have had one faint line you HAVE to be uppa de duffa??

Oh right Lady - don't worry I'm there too! -all over the place!!
yeah MOM!! C'mon test test test again

Lady i forgot to say I got a little teary earlier as had a vision of you with you 2 beautiful English roses in little dresses pig tails and ribbons. Also I thought that was so lovely of DP to surprise you, I bet you were so happy to see him. I hope he enjoyed his hot choc.

Hello Verso how are you? Are you TTC yet, you talked about it?

I'm about to watch the panorama thing about chocolate, is that a bad idea?

Evening ! Seems all the illnesses have died down which is good. Here is to some warmer weather....

I'm crap at keeping up, so apologies, but has anyone heard from Kayz, is she OK ?

Good news about everyones scans, I love hearing about preggers stuff. I can remember nothing about mine already, sometimes I wonder where the children came from ! Especially the older one who seems huge now...

WG I sympathise with peoples shit words, but the thing is I am a hypocrite because I was a massive judegy pants before having children, AND I often put my foot in my mouth when I dont mean to. I'm surprised I've fed DS2 for as long as I have - glad I am though, as he is on his 4th lot of antibiotics for an ear infection and burst eardrum. His poor belly has been in a bad way and I think may be worse without it. Also, I think children put so much strain on a relationship, I wanted to divorce my H last week quite seriously but it is tricky to find time to have some fun together which is really all we need. I try to be spontaneous and not too anal but I do think its hard when the small ones have such immediate needs, mine seem to be pretty inflexible beings. I think at the end of the day you have to do whats best for all of you even if it doesnt look like that on paper. And yes, a lot of the reason I still BF is I cant be arsed to get up in the morning and deal with a perky baby without the extra 10mins rest in bed.

Gosh I am really tired now. Sorry to hear about your bike, Veg. I hate it when things get nicked but then I do get attatched to inanimate objects. It gets my goat to think about people riding round on/using things that dont belong to them.

Right, off for a drink...

Wow, you lot are chatty tonight. Just a quickie from me as I have loads of meeting prep to do for tomorrow.

Rubes DD was an Elective CS at 38+ something weeks, she was due on 21st December, born on 3rd, you do the maths, I can't! But I was assured that this was absolutely fine developmentally.

Lady, yay, another girl, I knew it

Mom, come back and give us an update

I am leaving DD at the Childminders tomorrow for the first time as I have a meeting and I feel totally sick about it. I don't have any choice but I am absolutely petrified that she will do what she did with my friend, ie. scream her head off for hours, and that I won't be able to do anything about it . I must get a grip I know.

Right, work, then bed. Night all x

Good luck, katie, I hope things go as well as possible.

Beans and LadyT, I realised why your references to Barbara and Beryl seemed so familiar, I recently read Spies by Michael Frayn, is that where you got the names from?!

katie - I hope it goes ok - let us know.

Lady - hurray - another girl. GOD I hope I have another girl! Sorry, am not dissing boys, I promise, but I wouldn't have a clue what to do with them!!! I mean, they've got willies! What on earth?! I've got 2 sisters too, so really no experience of boys at all as children! It's great to hear from you again and sounds like things have been busy and lovely and I'm really pleased your book is progressing - can you tell us the title and we'll all buy it! Sending it to the top of bestsellers list, of course!

Kiwi and Verso - Saturday sounds lovely. When's best for you? pm probably best for us - say around 3ish or something? Does that suit? We can meet outside Costa Coffee if that works? It's within the station, just next to the ticket buying bit... But if you want to do morning instead, then we're happy with that too! Probably around 10 or something? Which is best? I'm just a bit more flexible in the afternoons, if you know what I mean? Am I being bossy? Yes, probably!

I've just had 2 friends round for supper, which was lovely. We had terrible giggles about birth - mine mostly. I hope you dont' mind if I tell you lot, because it was v funny. Basically I'd been having loads of contractions and we'd rung the hospital and they'd said I wasn't regular enough. 30mins later, I was on all fours upstairs shouting my head off and pushing and DH came up (he calls me Burger - not sure why, it's horrible!) and he said "Burger, the neighbours!". Oh my God, it makes me laugh so much - like I gave a toss!!!

Then when we got to the hospital, I was SO worried about doing a poo during labour and kept saying to the midwife that I thought I was going to do one. She finally offered to look up my bottom for me and I accepted! When else would you ever actually want someone looking up your arsehole???! HA!

Anyway, probably not so funny on here, but have been cackling away this evening. One of my friends was saying that when she was in labour, she was just walking round the room, peeing as she went and didn't care a jot - ha! Hilarious!

Embarrassing prebaby misconceptions - that BFing was gross and unnatural! I'm still not bothered either way as think BF or FF both absolutely fine, but found BFing vile. Then did it for 7 months. V weird!!

Katie! That would make her 37+3! Did you mean she was due on the 14th? Or has my preggo brain kicked in again? Either way, thanks for the reassurance! Good luck at the childminders tomorrow

spot - no, they're just two of my favourite worst names, IYSWIM. I hope I'm not offending anyone who knows someone called either of them or are actually called them, but they are just good comedy names!

PS I didn't have any poo up my bottom, the midwife discovered. In case you were waiting with baited breath for the response. I'd had such bad squits in early labour it had all gone. Gave myself piles through squits rather than pushing DD out!

Rubena, I think you're right. Originally I was told EDD was 21st, then they changed it to 14th , still makes it 38+ something though doesn't it?

I've given up on the meeting prep, it can wait until the morning

beans are you a bit squiffy?

I'm not, but feel like I should be. Am revealing all sorts of stuff! I wish I was, but have only had 2 glasses of ribena. But I do have hiccups.

Beans you are so funny!!

I came home tonight (Weds afternoon, DH's day with him) at 6:30 and guess what?? DS had just woken up from a nap. Ha ha, EVERY TIME, poor boy. He had been taken to the park and swimming and was exhausted.

Rubes I thought babies were considered full term at 37 weeks, I also thought 38 weeks was standard for planned sections. My friend definitely had hers at 38+ something but not sure how many days.

ladyt hurrah for the scan, and the likely girl, and also the book! What a lot of good news. Oh I have to say I would like to punch the woman who said that about kidnapping your DD to feed her. What a horrible bitch, I BET you remember her posting name don't you?? Seeing as you like to remember those who have slighted you on t'internet .

Re misconceptions - veggie same re eating, tee hee. My friend is very fussy as is her mum, so I thought she got fussiness from her mum, and was convinced this would subconsciously rub off on her daughter (born a couple of weeks before DS), and obviously my offspring would scoff everything because I love food so much. Obviously her DD scoffs everything in sight, and DS is a pain in the bottom. I also thought my offspring would be grumpy and scream all the time and throw tantrums though, but I was pleasantly surprised in that respect!
Breastfeeding I didn't think was gross, but I was quite shy about it....for about 5 minutes, I was soon feeding him everywhere while out and about once I got the hang of it. I have to say while I quite liked breastfeeding at the time, I am not really looking forward to it again. All those sore boobs and hard boobs when they don't feed at the normal time, and milk squirting everywhere and nasty milk marks on your top. Bah!! And DH not being able to do it (though it is quite handy to HAVE to sit on the sofa while he cooks tea sometimes)

Oh and hello verso!! Nice to hear from you!

Cambridge meet up - when?? How about a weekend sometime in May? Not a bank holiday one as people likely to be away.

Right, off to put bins out and then go to bed.

Sleep well lovely ladies. Look forward to reading late night posts in the morning at work. x

Hi WG, I?m pleased that today has been a better day for you, you sounded really sad in last night?s post. Since I stopped BF, we discovered that DD drops off again quite happily in our bed without the boob (but not in her cot annoyingly), I think she?s just happy to be near us. But then I do miss the cuddles and closeness of BF (still, 6 months later) ? so its up to you to weigh up the pros and cons. And as DH said to me at 5am this morning ?now is not the time to be a hero, just lets all get back to sleep as soon as possible for a better day ahead?. Sometimes he?s a very wise man

My preconceptions were: BF beyond the little baby stage, co-sleeping, veering from a strict routine, parents who don't get their LO's sleeping through quickly, parents with LO?s who misbehave in public (BTW I now can?t wait for DD to be big enough to respond to bribery!), etc etc etc

Veggie what an absolute pain about your bikes, when you use them so much. And you sound so matter of fact about it, I?d be furious

Well done to Katie?s DS ? a future in after dinner speaking beckons him!

Grand news about your brothers scan result PD

Your DD sounds such a cutie Kiwi, kissing all the boys! MIL took DD to toddler group last week and she (DD, not MIL) gave one little boy a big cuddle, who promptly scarpered, terrified (she?s another clingy one when she?s with me, but clearly sheds any inhibitions when I?m not there)

Your scan day sounds lovely LadyT ? I have the sweepstake saved somewhere, will hunt it down for you. And WT? about kidnapping your DD to BF her!

Beans hysterical at preferring someone looking up your bum to doing a poo in front of them!

Rubes if I remember rightly from ante natal classes, anything from 37 weeks onwards is classed as full term and everything should be just fine from then on

I?ve had today off for a hair cut and colour this morning, and then this afternoon DD and I met up with a friend and her DC?s, who I?ve not seen for ages. A lovely treat, but I?ve realised that yet again I?ve chosen to use my holiday for time with DD when DH is away, when actually it would be even lovelier if I?d taken a day off when we could have had fun as a family. So I?m already planning another day off soon.

Trace did you get the York Press today? Should have mentioned this earlier, but today there?s been a voucher book given away with it for a whole load of good shops in York. If not, try this website or the Press website I?ve been quite involved with this at work, so am quite excited by its launch and want lots of York people to enjoy it!

Beans I think you have a new vocation writing "The truth about pregnancy and birth" for new mums, you are hilarious. Seriously, I wish I'd had information about wind, sweat, poo and piles the first time round

Ooh, smashing, lots of posts! And funny ones as well, which is good cos have just been watching vair vair po-faced French film with Kristin Scott Thomas in it about a woman who has just come out of clink after doing something awful and here is Beans talking about the huge embarrassment of pooing in labour but yet inducing the midwife to shine a searchlight up her bum just in case Oh my goodness.

Summer, please don't worry about the nutty lady on my behalf. (And yes OF COURSE I remember her posting name, ha ha, even though 'twas aeons ago). It made me feel really horrible at the time as well as hucking furious but as the thread went on it became apparent that she was (in my opinion) just mad and not bad. Thing is though, some people never learn to respect other people's choices (whatever they are, not just feeding) and I know I definitely have, and I think that is the great lesson on the wider MN.

Veggie (and others) I think the feeding one has deffo bitten me on the bum too. My littlest nephew ate about six things until he was 8 and I used to carp on to Mum about how it was all my poor sister's fault So now I have a toddler who eats bread and butter and fruit and zip all else. Ha. Good old karma, always ready to slap you around the chops with a wet fish...Yes, it was lovely of DP. I was really impressed and incredibly pleased to see him, it was lovely to have the support and so cool when he opened my cab door.

Aw, good luck for tomorrow, Katie, on all counts. And you'll be fresher for the prep in the morning!

NJAN, good to see you but so sorry to hear you have been having a hard time with your DH. Are things a bit better this week?

Spot, you are far too literary for me I've only read Headlong by him, about the Brueghels.

Ooh, what did you have done hairwise ZJ? I need to get mine done as well but have been growing it slightly again.

Oh, and Beans, the book is called Read Me Well, it is at the moment, but if a publisher buys it they may well want to change it. I've got one sister as well, and my Mum has got tons and no brothers. However, I have always surrounded myself with an entourage of blokes (Queen Bee Syndrome, my best friend calls it ) but I must admit that in recent years I have really really prized my female friendships. Er, don't know how I got to that - rambling again...

Oooh, DD is being awful with her eating again. Most vexing. Every mealtime is a blinkin' battle to get her to take the most minute amount of food. Should toddle off to bed now, I'm bushed. Sweet dreams all.

Oh, and talking about having grand resolutions before having kids, mine got eroded in the hospital! DP had the option of staying in my room on a camp bed with me and the new baby. He didn't fancy this. Before I had her, I thought I didn't want anyone looking after me or her apart from him and was furious that he wasn't all that keen to stay. When it came to it, I felt pretty rough and was very happy to wave him off for the night, and not just him but DD Oh dear. I was so barmy on the morphine after the epi didn't work, and had mixed feelings about her for the first three days and it was a blessed relief for the nurses to wheel her off to the nursery for the night, which makes me sound AWFUL

Loving living by the sea and seagulls waking you up at 5.30. Not. Really encourages marital bliss and harmony. Not.
In a proper grump this morning, will come back later when in a better mood.

Oh dear Spot. I was woken by DH going for a pee at 5.30 which promptly woke both boys up. I fear I said some unflattering things.

LadyT: wonderful news about the scan and your nce day with DP. Would you mind awfully if I sent you a girly knitted beret nearer the time? I have a most cute pattern I'm dying to try out. Will try and post a link - please say eeeegh no! if you hate it.

Beans I love your posts! Have been watching the last series of Skins off and on (did anyone see the final episode? Fantastic) and you seem to be channelling Pandora! Which is a good thing as she's one of the few later characters who doesn't annoy me. If anyone needs cheering up, I recommend the bit where she is escaping across the garden on a space hopper shouting 'I'm not mental!'

Poison: have a great holiday and happy birthday to DS1

The plum pudding beret here

www.englishyarns.co.uk/sublime_book_612.html

in fact just about anything in that book as they are all lovely!

Hello everyone

Sorry for no personals, but am feeling miserable. DH and I had a huge row yesterday when I was plastered, lots of horrible things said and all a bit shamefaced this am. I suspect the neighbours heard most of it - will apologise to my mate next door but do you think I should say anything to the elderly couple on the other side? Very embarrassing.

Congratulations on the 2 girls ladyT. Lovely news. Rubes, I have had 3 CS at 40+14, 39w exactly and 38+4. All fine. If you were in labour, the Cx at the start are not likely to be so frequent or painful that it is hard to get the spinal in, as it is generally slow to start with and they put the spinal in in stages. You are also slim so they are not going to struggle with the local first. I had my first epi put in in labour when things were really bad and you can lie still enough for long enough to get them to do it. I really would not worry, but why not see if you can have a word with an anaesthetist nearer the time to put your mind at rest?

Must go and sort myself out. Back later.