Dec 08 babies are nearly one - PARTY TIME!

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As I accidentally filled up the old thread I thought I'd better start a new one

LadyT you could still get the morning after pill. They work up to 72 hours. I know how you feel about the weight thing though. Sometimes I think why am I bothering to lose the weight to just put it back on with DC3.

LadyT I am not sure, with testing doesn't it not work until your AF would be due, but then I guess how do you know when that would be with a haphazard cycle? But don't feel shallow, if you don't feel ready you don't feel ready, that's nothing to apologise for. I would be exactly the same in your situation, although admittedly that might have to involve that thing, what's it called again, oh yes, I dimly remember, "sex". Haha.

ps Mom Welcome back! Sounds much like our nights recently. DD also seems to sleep much less at nursery during the day (I should say EVEN less as the longest nap she's taken in the last month was 45 minutes..) Too much to look at and do, I guess!

I thought carefully about the MAP but I am worried about that toxic sounding high dose of hormones.

One thing is for sure - if I am not pregnant it highlights the fact that the weightloss has to be top priority.

If I wasn't carrying this weight I'd be far less worried about the other matters.

I think it's a case of waiting to see.

LadyT Not that I'm jumping the gun for you but if you ARE pregnant there's a lot of info recently about pregnancy and exercise, I think there's a new book/dvd/site or something coming out. So you needn't think of it as a weight-gain sentence! But anyway, as I say, jumping the gun.

ladyt I would have thought logically the pg test would show up after the fertilized egg has implanted, and your body starst making hormones? Wouldn't this be usually 2-3 weeks after ovulation? Or can it be longer if you have a long cycle? I always assumed if you have a long cycle then it was taking a long while to ovulate iyswim and that the travelling down and implanting took a similar amount of time whatever.
Anyway I would wait two weeks and then test, and then another week and test again.

But I also would have thought it is too early to be having symptoms?? So I wouldn't worry on that front.

Also LadyT you can join slimming world when you are pregnant to avoid gaining too much weight.

Anyway I'd better go back to boring work!

Also LadyT you could look at it another way re the weight, which is that if you get no. 2 out of the way, assuming you only have 2, then once you have lost the weight after no 2 you won't have to go through it all again?

I think Summer is right about the symptoms taking a while to come through. Maybe you are feeling the symptoms because you are worried.

Thanks girls. I know it sounds ridiculous to have any symptoms when it is this early and my grasp of biology isn't the best.

But I only get breast tenderness about 5-6 days before my period, usually. When I was pregnant last time, I had breast tenderness not long after ovulation and basically it didn't go away. In fact, that was what made me do a pregnancy test.

I didn't go mad with eating when I was pregnant - for one thing I don't have a sweet tooth, and obviously I was off the cheerfulness. But I did drink gallons of orange juice, which, apart from the Vitamin C is just like drinking sugar water.

Anyway...on all fronts, what's done is done

Oh LadyT - don't worry - I put on so much weight in last pregnancy and am determined not to do it again in this one, so am being healthy as I can. Although the odd giant chocolate button has made its way past my lips.

I wouldn't worry too much as one pump (or 4 depending on partner!) does not necessarily a baby make. I would try not to worry for the next couple of weeks, then do a test towards the end of the month. I tested far too early and got a not pregnant result and 2 weeks later, I was pregnant according to test, so no point doing it for a while. To be honest, I'm not sure there's ever a good time to be pregnant and not sure I'll ever be ready for this 2nd one - am terrified about 18 month age gap. But feel like I'd like to just get on with it anyway and get it all over and done with for the sleepless nights etc. Plus if you are up the duff, it'll be lovely for the nippers to be so close in age and be pals.

Anyway, I am totally jumping the gun on this, it may be nothing - just try to keep calm and breathe deeply! And just hang on for a bit yet before testing!

xx

Hello all, I've got so much I wanted to say but cant remember it all and i'm shattered after having a melt down over my parents and their priorities, then lack of sleep because of it(long story and I won't bore you all with it ) plus we've also had vistors...

Swine flu - dh, ds and I all have had it. they did say it hits the babies pretty hard if they're unlucky enough to get it. Ds seemed to have no after effects but dh and I both had aching sore arm for about 3-4 days, but thats all.

Lady - I hope you get the negative you are hoping for. If it's not the result you want, keep this in mind - the older you get, the harder it is to lose weight so you could look at it that way, and maybe it will be easier to shed weight at 39 rather than 40 iyswim? Also, it is significantly harder to fall pregnant in late 30's so perhaps it's a good thing. I took 5 months and I gave dh so much grief as I thought we'd left it too late and I was all dried up etc . I'm 35 and got pregnant the minute I went off the pill first time, but this time seemed like forever despite the fact that 5 months isn't long. I did the OJ overload last time round too (up to 2L a day) so much so that I was tested for diabetes or whatever it is as the sugar was spilling over until they found out what my diet consisted of. This time I haven't bought any so resisted temptation plus I think the nausea has come to an end so hopefully it will be better than last.
Anyway, whatever the outcome, I hope it works out.

Kiwi can I have the info on that book? Lol

LadyT: sorry you have the worry and the wait. I would agree with Beans that there is rarely an ideal time to have children, esp with no. 2, but that's not a huge amount of help if you're worrying about it and are likely to keep on worrying for a few weeks.

x-post with Rubena: feel free to rant, we can wave a few virtual pitchforks at whoever has been upsetting you

on a slightly different note. oh my god. I'm at work and I cannot get myself to give a toss. It's terrible. They're all talking about various deals etc and I have no idea what they're on about and I don't care enough to research it. Terrible me!

Rubena - when's your scan? x

Oh and regarding the pregnancy tests. It depends on the level of mIU sensitivity in the test. It can't be detected at all until implantation which I think is about 7-10 days after ovulation occured, and then it takes a couple of days to build up enough of the pregnancy hormone. If you get a test that detects as little as 10mIU then I think it can detect about 2 or 3 days before your missed period, however if your cycles are irregular I would say test about 12-14 days after you think you ovulated. The clearblue ones detect about 25mIU I think. If you haven't tested positive by about 14 days after you ovulated then it's unlikely you are pregnant. Trust me i'm an expert on theis

ladyt - sorry you are having a panic about it. i agree with SL that this is probably way too early to feel symptoms. they only start when the fertilised egg implants which should be 2 weeks after ovulation - until then it is a ball of cells floating around and your body doesn't even know it's there.

who knows? we are all on tenterhooks now...

i am wavering (or is that waivering???) between enjoying madam so much i could burst and wondering what the hell we have done to ourselves. one of those days, i'm afraid.

another of my questions... what do your babes eat from midday onwards? madam has been having lunch at 12.15 - a massive bowlful of something plus yoghurt/fruit, then at 3pm a 9oz bottle of milk (doesn't always drink all of it), then supper at 5.15ish, then some boob from me at 6.45 then bed at 7.15. she hasn't eaten much supper these past couple of days and i asked my dad's ladyfriend about it. she suggested cutting the bottle, feeding supper/tea at 4.30 and then boob before bed. worried she won't be getting enough milk. also i can't imagine having my evening meal at 4.30pm.

also... should these babes be getting a snack before bed - biscuit/toast etc? ladyfriend mentioned giving some milk and a rich tea biscuit, but i presume in these modern times that is a no no and you have to give millet macaroons sweetened only with the purest organic papaya juice or something. ladyfriend is admittedly baffled at why i am my continued breastfeeding, so she did say she had no knowledge of that and how it woudl affect eating times/schedules. any thoughts?

sorry rubes - x-posted and, my, you are knowledgeable about this. good on you!

ladyt - your periods sound like mine - have they always been like that? how easy was it for you to get preggers first time round - it took us a while, regardless of the miscarriages, and that's why i ended up charting my temperature as i simply had no idea about when i was ovulating - oh yes, you said you felt mittelschmerz.

what with feeling a little down, having been poorly myself, now with a poorly husband, feeling a little overwhelmed at the handful madam can be, i cannot imagine having a second. i'm desperate to, theoretically, but i'm getting older, tireder, poorer (never want to work again), blah blah blah... roll on spring!

WG - my routine (for what it's worth) for Whizz is as follows:

Lunch at 12ish (no morning sleep any more - boo!), then bed about 12.30 and wakes around 2.30. Then she has 6oz cow's milk/formula mix (4.5 cow/1.5 formula). Then usually a bit of a snack mid-afternoon. Sometimes it's a special organic baby biscuit. But more often than not, it turns into being a bit of my biscuit or my piece of toast! Then supper at about 5.15, then bath at 6, then 6oz milk (same mix as above) at 6.30 in front of In the Night Garden. Has to be finished in time for the group dancing section of ITNG, so she can join in while leaning on the table! And bed at about 6.50. Don't give her any further snacks after supper.

She's still not walking, although cruises with the best of them. Can stand on little wobbly pins unaided for all of about 5 seconds then plops down onto her big ass! V sweet.

Oh Effie, it's been ongoing for years now as my brother has thought this way and now i'm experiencing what he means. Skip over this if you want people....
I'd like to start spending at least every 2nd Xmas with my family and the other with dh's (I know we are talking Xmas and it's only Jan) so after hearing about WG's new years plans I had this big idea to get my family over and organise a big fam Xmas reunion type thing with my side and dh's side and dh's side that are in the States. Assuming the whole clan would jump onto it in a heart beat, it seems my side won't be coming at all. My brother is not the problem - he desperately wanted to come but had already had a trip planned for Spain in July which we were suppose to accompany him on but then I got pregnant and will be 37 weeks so now he will do half Spain half UK for the month which is great, and when he looked at the cost of coming over with 3 kids twice in one year he just couldn't do it. My parents on the other hand are a different story. They have a 7 month trip planned back home and then mentioned awhile back that altho I am having the baby late July, early Aug, would I mind if they came over in Sept - not a problem I said. Then I got the idea of this Christmas thing and the rest of the UK gang and US gang have run with it full steam ahead so I asked my parents to delay their trip over here until Dec and come for Xmas etc as we wll be renting a massive manor house / mansion for a week over Xmas and everyone just has to chip in just over a hundred quid a head which is bloody brilliant if you saw this place! They started adding up the costs and then said they probably couldn't afford to, but may be able to do it but only if I give them the free of charge tickets to get here. Now let me just explain my ticket situation. I get only a few freebies (taxes only) per year and then unlimited service charge only ones which still works out about a quarter of the price of a full internet ticket. For 10 YEARS I have lived overseas in both the US and UK and they have visit 8 times every time for FREE and everytime in business class, so when I said I can't guarantee the FOC tickets this time as some are allocated, but they are welcome to my unlimited service charge ones of course they said they can't do it. (I'll be giving some to my brother for his July trip over and we want to keep some for ourselves and they know this) so I got into a bit of a discussion we'll call it - on the phone the other night (all on speaker phone via Skype) while my sil and bil listened on in amazement! I asked them (parents) if I never worked for the airline you pretty much would not have visited me ever, and they went on and on about how they've been over 8 times (which incidently probably adds up to one full ECONOMY fare ticket) They have a total bee in their bonnet about the fact that we rarely visit their house. Well they moved to the middle of freakin nowhere, where you need to take 2 flights just in the country to get to or one flight and a 4 hour drive!!! They didn't even go to my brothers to see him and his 3 kids at Xmas just gone, as they felt it was time he came to them!! I don't have to tell any of you whether it's easier to travel with 3 kids under 10 or a couple of their own who have no commitments!!! And that aside - they have money - not a great deal, it's just that they are spending it all on these trips around the country in their campervan with their friends who all think the same rather than with their grandchildreen!! And then when they DO come over here cheap if not free they never want to do anything and say EVERYTHING is too expensive probably cause they've spent 10 grand on bloody fuel and on the road traveling expenses surrounding their trips back home Oh I could go on and on but I'm getting worked up thinking about it. I get it now, why my brother just doesn't care as he dealt with this dissapointment when his kids were really young.
I've probably not explained it very well at all, but it's hard on here. Sorry for the long long ramble but I'm and all at the same time (hormones don't help I know, but I don't think I am over reacting, am I? I swear when they get too old to be doing these camping trips they will have done far too much damage and alienated themselves far too much from myself and kids that I just won't care anymore. Sad but I think true as I'm seeing it in my brother....

Oh and Beans - I'm going to chase up the scan date today.... now infact! Will let you know!

Rubes - that's really tough position to be in, especially as you've got them so many virtually free flights in the past. I don't think you're over-reacting at all, I'd be furious too. I don't really know what to suggest or say, but I do feel for you, absolutely. So lovely of you to try to organise a family get together for all and it probably feels a bit thrown back in your face. Grrr. I'm with you on the and parts too.

xx

Thanks for the all the help and kind words (and science, Rubes - wow!)

Actually WG, my periods have always been irregular as I have polycystic ovaries. I had always been told I would probably need Clomid to conceive. As it was that turned out to be complete Horlicks as I conceived one month after coming off the Pill, after psyching myself up for a 12-18month wait. It was all a bit of a shock!

Rubes - you aren't being unreasonable, they are, very much so. Trouble is, though, they aren't going to change and so, upsetting as it is, for the sake of your blood pressure, you are just going to have to purse your lips, shake a fist at them and accept it as they probably won't change and you will get yourself in an upsetting froth to no good end. They don't see it like you do. So many people, when they get older, sort of lose perspective and start living in a bit of a bubble. What about writing them a really gentle, careful email or letter, setting out your points (even though you feel like ranting and I know I would) and explaining it all? Would that help? Anyway, tons of sympathy....

Routine - 8oz/240ml formula around 8.30ish, followed by large bowl of porridge. Nap around 11, for 1-2 hours. Another 7 or 8oz or formula around 1.30 and a bowl of something or other, plus bits of fruit. Another nap around 3.30 or so, then more formula at 6.30 followed by another bowl of something or toast and hummus or whatever. Bed around 7.30.

Oh Rubes . It is frustrating when you feel like you are making all the effort. I have this a bit with my parents only without the same distances - I keep getting snarky comments about us never going to visit them when a) we don't drive b) we have two young children and c) they live an hour + bus ride away from the nearest train station. We could just about do it with one child, given lifts, but no way with two on public transport! So they come to us, but moan about the food that we cook for them, and moan about the car journey and how tiring it is to visit us . Oh and they're visiting to see THEIR GRANDCHILDREN not me of course! Honestly I feel like I'm dealing with stroppy teenagers sometimes. Maybe we should stop expecting anything of our families and they might pleasantly surprise us?

Having said that, am totally up for them enjoying

I love hearing the different routines - find it really interesting.

Wise words, ladyT for Rubes. You are so good at putting it into words. I am totally incapable.

One other quick point - has anyone else completely lost interest in shagging? My husband is quite a keeno on that front and I always used to join in with gusto, but in the last 8 months or so my interest has dwindled to the point where I do a courtesy one about once every week or two, to keep him happy. And I'm so sad about it. But the more I think about it, the less appealing it is. We've always had a really nice sex life. not been wildly exciting, but pleasant. But now just couldn't be less interested. I know I'm pregnant, so am tired more often, but feel now I'm in 2nd trimester I should be back on form. And actually this has been going on for quite some time now - longer than pregnancy. Feel quite sad about it, but the lethargy is such that I don't really want to do anything about it. I don't even "sort myself out" if you know what I mean. Just no libido at all.

So sorry and hope that wasn't too much info, but it's making me feel a bit sad/worried. DH is a good good man, despite his numerous faults (haha!) and I do want him to be happy, I just don't know how to jumpstart it all, when I don't really have the desire to! And I love him so very much.