Jan '09 'All we are saying is give peas a chance....and carrots and broccoli and cumcumber and........'

[hongkongzoe]

...here we go ladies, right I'm off to catch up!

Tree and EachPeach, I mentioned the NCT's advice on bf and swine flu yesterday, here' the link again

www.nctpregnancyandbabycare.com/info-centre/information/view-117

Their recommendation and apparently the government's too is that it's probably better to carry on breastfeeding at this point if you already are - it passes on immunities etc. I would think under the circumstances you're not going to reduce the risk of passing it on by not bf given the contact you already have with your baby, and bf might actually help so it's a good idea to carry on if you're breastfeeding even if you or the baby are ill.

I saw that thank you elk, and all the other info sites say the same. Keep feeding, feed as much as possible. I just don't know what to do about the medication. That does pass through the milk, which could be good - extra protection, or bad - untested unknown medication. It passes through in tiny iny amounts so I'll probably go with them.....maybe.....maybe not....Argh!

But the message def was keep bf to keep immunity up.

Yes Moose, have been looking out for you. Hope you are relaxing in sty bed

Oink. Have fluffed up the straw in my own sty, and dh is bringing turnips to temp my ill self.

Hi all, I'v done it again! I havn't been online for a day or so and have lost track of the thread. Will try to catch up. I think this may be a regular thing! Sorry if i miss anything whilst skimming.

Having terrible nights at the mo. DD hasn't been wanting her evening feed and has therefore been feeding at random times through the night, and because I don't know when she is likely to be hungry i can't always tell what it is that she needs. Often by the time I've figured it out, having changed nappy, offered feed etc she is really awake and wanting to play!

managed to give her an early dinner so she did want supper but she is still unsettled.

AND I think its my fault. I'm so exhausted and i got really frustrated and cross earlier and I shouted at her to stop crying. I'm sure I've traumatized her.

Am gonna try to catch up with the chat now.

Not the medication (I'm not ill (yet) anyway) but I mean the virus... can it pass from me (were I infected) through milk to DS? and if it can, then anything I pump will be infected...

I can't see how it would - viral fragments are known to, but that would be a plus,, as it wouold kick start any immune response required int he child. Like an antibody.

this seems to back up my fuzzy logic.

We need TikTok! But I personally would not bin the ebm - I'd view it as a sort of vaccine against the blasted flu! Just the same as all flu's and illnesses.

kitty sorry for your horrible nights, is she teething? Ours have just started to get better as 2 MORE teeth have broken through, Yes he now has 6 teeth, what a monster. The basic summary of the thread at the moment is:

Tree, Moose and her DS, EPPM's Dh all have suspected swine flu and we are comiserating with them and mopping their virtual brow's, and fluffing their virtual pillows

Yes Kitty sorry for your stressful nights. You haven't traumatised her, not one bit. Only yourself

MAybe take the 2 of you into a nice warm bath and have some serious shnuggle bonding time?

Mine has a big grumpy head too. Its hard haaaaard work. Am knackered myself, so I hear ya!

Thanks so much. its hard not to feel overwhelmed at the moment. very much appreciate the support

bum to swine flu! I hope all of you feel lots and loads better soon.

DD is teething, she has 2 teeth already. Its so cute when we brush them because she thinks its funny!. She also has really bad cradle cap which must itch like mad. I would be unsettled if I were her. Its hard to stay calm and sympathetic though at 3am. Is that awful?

Wow mega catch up for me. Had to make notes!
Dog- lol at unicorn grass. DS1 eats anythng as long as it's 'sausage'.
Lenni - PMSL at smoking holes. STILL crave a malbro light every time I have a glass of wine despite not smoking since I found out I was pregnant with DS1.
Moose to ds recovery
MissJ always had a good bedtime routine with both of them as on my own most nights at bedtime so need to be consistent for us all. Most important part is either wine or chocolate waiting at the end for me.
Lenni I have bought and tried every dummy under the sun and he refuse point blank to take it. MIL advice was to coat it in something sweet which I will not do so have given up. Was a godsend for ds1 despite swearing my children will never have dummies blah blah blah
Dog & Tree I used to be the envy of all when ds1 would fall asleep on my lap and I would lay him on the floor. God I was so smug - it's come back to bite me!
Tree not sure if its the wine but no idea what you are taking about re fleece nappy thing!
HKZ just call me doctor Qumps! Actually think that aqueous cream is their answer to everything so if it doesn't work make sure you go back as there are lots of other things they can try.

Rang HV in desperation as had day from hell on Friday. Huge row with DH at 5am and then ds1 sat on step crying love you mummy, cuddle me mummy while s was trying to cry himself to sleep yet again. She said cc was the only way to go. Have to admit I was thinking if he was crying in my arms it wouldn't make much difference him crying in his cot. So after long chats with dh, parents, mil we decided to give it a shot for a week. I know you might not all agree but I am at my wits end and have to try something. Anyway he only cried for 7 mins at bedtime but cried for 30mins at 12, then around 10 at 3,4 and a big shouting session at 5. We agreed to pick him up anytime after 6 but I heard him laughing at 630 so went in and he was all smiles. He has been on great from today and doesn't appear to hate me so am going to try to stick it out for the week. Have to admit not much more sleep for me last night as tore at my soul and had to do things like empty the dishwasher at 3am to get through it but hoping that a few days of pain will result in long time gain. Any comments welcome.
Awesome family trip to legoland today. So much fun.

sympathy kitty- ds has beewn too tired for his pre-bed milk, so he's been having it around 9 this week, but it;s such a faff. 3am is no fun though...

elkie thank for link. according to that normal flu can pass through your milk to baby, but there are no known cases with SF... BUT surely thats because the numbers are lower?

And boo to swine flu. Get well all!
Yes to meet up. I am London but have lots of friends Cheltenham way and places to stay if that helps.

missj I took DD to see my grandma who also has alzheimers. It was really amazing, she normally has no reactions to anything but when DD was sat on the arm of her wheelchair she smiled at her. My mum placed her hand on DD's arm and she stoked her. She also reached out to her, picked up her dummy ribbon and passed it to her.

I know it's so hard to see someone who you love be so changed but I think babies and animals can provoke some instinctive response in people.

qumps I think you have to do what works for you. You have tried other techniques and they havn't done the trick. Maybe this is the way forward for you, even though its hard.

I know other people that have started trying it and they have had similar results to you so far.

I hope you have a better night tonight!

Glad you had a good day at legoland.

tree I totally agree that a bit of bonding is in order.(almost typed bondage then, but that is something completely different!)

maybe the later would help relieve some of this tension though! will have to suggest it to DH.

Aw qumps he will get there - I know it is so hard going through it though.
Legoland is ace isn't it?

Qumps so sorry you have gone through this, hope it gets better. Sounds a horrific night by all accounts. No advice, we have never neede (yet!) to do CC crying at night but I do leave Zach to cry for about 5-10 mins sometimes when I put down for day naps, he is usually so tired he never needs more than this. So no judging from me, I am sure that if it benefits in the long run and you end up with a happier, healthier family then it may be the way forward for you. If, on the other hand, a few nights down the line it is still just as traumatic (for you.....doesn't sound like DS was too bothered!) then it might be time to reassess and try a different approach? Just some ideas

Lets push for a Cheltenham meet-up, very easy for me, hee-hee.......[totally selfish emoticon].

kitty thats so sweet about your Grandma

Qumps - oh love. It must be pants. Wait, it is pants. This is my life too!
My only comment on cc is to listen to the cry. There is the moaning chunter cry that I am happy to let wind down to sleep, which it can [in babies other than mine cos my babies will not cooperate in any way shape or form] and then there is the escalating panic and fear scream, that I don't think there is any point to. But that is my comment and so I wouldn't wish to pass judgement on the whole cc thing at all

Bless you x

Thanks for the support. Was a bit scared to come back on and check incase I was hated by all. Agree about listening to the cries. His is more rage and then moaning I think. It is against all my natural instincts though DH is cruising through it. Decided to do it these 3 days as he is at home and think I would have buckled on my own.
Oh another naughty thing I did today - I taught ds1 to lie!! He really wanted to go on the diggers at Legoland but as he is only 2 he wasn't supposed to. The lady was asking all the kids thier age so I prepped him the whole queue telling him he was 3 today (he is only just 2). The people in front of me thought it was hysterical and said we would never pull it off but he performed like a star! Maybe the sportstar plans are off and we should be sending him to drama school? Just have to convince him tomorrow that he is 2 again...

Sorry just reread thread. Kitty have been there. Don't guilt trip yourself, you have in no way traumatised her, just yourself. You are doing a brilliant job and things will get back on track.
Repeat my mantra, its a phase, it will end, I will have time to myself again, (added today) I will not always have bags under my eyes in photos that horrify me.
Moose off to check your out and then bed.

Thanks qumps My DH is better when DD crys as well. I don't think it affects them in the same way. Its kinda phyisical for me when she cries. Can't really explain but I'm sure you know what I mean.

Am feeling much calmer and happier now. Thanks all .

I may even attempt sleep soon

One last query, does anyone think 24 weeks it too young to give a soother? We have one of those small teddy blanket nu-nu thingys that takes on scents. Am wondering about sticking it up my top so it smells of me ( mmmm yummy) then giving it to her to cuddle. Would she smother herself do you think or am I uber paranoid?