October 08 - Chit chat

[CantSleepWontSleep]

That's us with the chit chat, not the babies!

10th Sept (Due 1st Oct) - loulou33 - Boy - Joe Louis David - 6lbs 12oz - Induction due to rhesus sensitivity, G&A.
16th Sept (Due 8th Oct) - Ksal - Girl - Emma Rae - 6lbs - Just beat induction for PE!
21st Sept (Due 5th Oct) - myjobismum - Girl - Naomi Caitlin - 5lbs 10oz - Fast and furious hospital birth.
22nd Sept (Due 10th Oct) - Lozza70 - Boy - Sander Gene - 7lbs 5oz - Em C-Sec due to raised BP and high ALTs from liver.
2nd Oct (Due 12th Oct) - star6 - Boy - Quinlan - 5lbs 15oz - 36hr labour, ventouse and stitches.
3rd Oct (Due 26th Sept) - purpleflower - Girl - Rebecca Jill Erzsebet - 8lbs 10.5oz - Homebirth with paramedics due to meconium.
4th Oct (Due 30th Sept) - Aubergenie - Boy - Stanley - 7lbs 12oz -
5th Oct (Due 4th Oct) - hedgepig - Boy - Oliver - 6lbs 3oz -
5th Oct (Due 29th Sept Oct) - CherryChoc - Boy - Ryan - 6lbs 11oz - 3 day labour with natural birth in hospital
8th Oct (Due 6th Oct) - ronshar - Boy - William Dexter - 7lbs 11oz -
8th Oct (Due Oct) - RedElsie - Boy - Daniel - -
9th Oct (Due 17th) - Marthasmama - Girl - Martha - 7lbs 10oz - Elective c-sec
10th Oct (Due 1st Oct) - CantSleepWontSleep - Boy - Duncan Elliot - 8lbs 4oz - 4 day induction with 1 hour established labour!
12th Oct (Due 4th Oct) - pistachio - Boy - Thomas Fraser - 10lbs 2oz - Homebirth.
13th Oct (Due 15th Oct) - mum2jakeyroo/jrsqueak - Boy - Joshua - 7lbs 2oz - Delivered in car by dh!
16th Oct (Due 17th Oct) - rowanmac - Girl - Anna Ruth - 7lbs 2oz - 2 hours ARM to placenta delivery.
16th Oct (Due 11th Oct) - heather1980 - Boy - Alexander James - 9lbs 5oz - Homebirth
17th Oct (Due 10th Oct) - pepperrabbit - Girl - Jessica Rose - 7lbs 15.5oz -
17th Oct (Due 27th Oct) - Rhian82 - Boy - - - Episiotomy and ventouse.
24th Oct (Due 29th Oct) - Ekka - Boy - Matthew - 7lbs 15oz - Home water birth with gas and air.
26th Oct (Due 20th Oct) - jenwa - Girl - Phoebe Jasmine - 9lbs 2.5oz -
28th Oct (Due 23rd Oct) - RachieW - Boy - Jack - 7lbs 4oz - hospital birth, epidural, stitches, 24hrs start to finish
28th Oct (Due 31st Oct) - Jojay - Boy - Edward Alexander - 7lbs 7oz - hospital birth - gas and air, 2nd degree tear. 7 hrs start to finish.
1st Nov (Due 22nd Oct) - SmudgeyDoodle - Girl - - 8lbs 2oz - Hospital water birth.
5th Nov (Due 29th Oct) - Honeymoonmummy - Girl - Poppy Grace - 6lbs 15oz -
5th Nov (Due 30th Oct) - MamaG - Boy - Harry James - 10lbs 9oz - Em C-Sec. Back to back and knotted cord around neck. 24 hours of labour first though, and don't you forget it!

morning all.
marking place as 3 days to catch up. took sore wrist to drs and got sent to hosp and have splint thing for tenosynovitis, should have gone 6 mths ago....splint is metal so really can't move, can take off as held on velcro - seem to have bibs stuck to it a lot... dr said comlete rest! have 3 kids - what planet?
really diff to type!.
got period too so def all synch.
DS1 is 5 today DH playing with his new scaletrix
DS1 party was sat. in garden so thank goodness weather ok - 17 children, only one evil one so good result really. my jelly boats were a triumph
family over today, then original PN group tomorrow.
star - hope sleep improves.
MM glad day went well.
shall catch up on rst now

i have one of those wrist supports as i get a ganglion in my wrist if i use it too much. Its really annoying and the often i don't bother wearing it as it gets in the way but my gp says complete rest too but its impossible...i also haste the fact that its a horrible beige colour - why don't they come in nice colours?? hope your wrist is better soon

Myjob - glad N is getting better eventually. glad i made you laugh, but don't like drinking through a straw, i prefer my alcohol intravenously - much easier . Was buying beer this morning in tesco and i was asked for ID as they now have to ask for ID if you look under 25? WTF?? i'm 35 btw...didn't have phtoto id but my work badge and the woman got the manager (young bloke about 20 years old) who took one look and said, yeh she's fine - charming

kids out in the sun with PIL whlist i work in dh's gallery - ho hum

Sorry for the thread crash again - you lot are still showing up in my active convos due to me stalking MM (), and I'm too nosy to ignore a drug reference (pharmacist).

Honeymoonmummy - Mefenamic acid probably best avoided when bf(see here), but ibuprofen fine (mefenamic acid probably actually too little in bm to be harmful, but best to err on side of caution!).

Hi all
pepper poor you and your wrist and to the 'rest' advice! Did the doctor kindly to agree to look after your children for you then Glad you had nice wetaher for your DS b'day. We had a bbq and it was fab weather. Also the home made burgers and chicken satay from the annabal Karmel book went down a treat, they were much prefered by all to the tescos finest

star hoping Q was ok last night and you had a better sleep, I do feel for you. I hope he is not poorly and sleeps well for you.

loulou under 25!!! I never knew that. Have they changed the drinking age then or is that just there policy? Surely if you can drink it when your 18 you should be able to buy it! makes you feel good when they ID you though they did it to my sis awhile ago when I was there then looked at me and did that "oh yeh she is fine" I even think they thought I was my sisters mum! She is 2 yrs older than me!!!

Well, had a long sleep today, was shattered after bbq so DH let me have a nap (3 hrs!) and now he is asleep, so is dd1 but Phoebe grizzling in cot, she slept late this afty so not sooo tired but I wanted wine so have put her to bed and hope she falls asleep soon. Was nice though as DH and DD were upstiars and me and DD2 were on the sofa watching PS I love you and cuddled up.

Bleeding hayfever annoying me though today! I have to keep washing my face to make it better so have no make up on and look like the living dead

at 3 hr nap jenwa - that's a full night's sleep for some!!

They will sell you alcohol at 18 you daft thing, but because some people can look older than they really are, if they ID people who look under 25 then they should manage to catch all those under 18 and refuse them.

Have no idea what tenosynovitis is, but sorry to hear that you have it pepper - it sounds like a right pain. Happy birthday to your ds1 though .

MM - yes I do give nurofen to ds, but just because a drug is ok for a baby to take doesn't mean that it's ok for the bf mother to take. Antihistamine is a good example of this - it's in medised, and I'd give piriton (once he's 1 of course) if it was needed, but I wouldn't take antihistamine myself, because it can dry up milk (in the same way that it dries up the mucous membranes). Anyway, it appears that I can take it if needed in future, so hurrah for that!

Only 1 nap for ds today, so he was awake from about 1:30 until 7. Hopefully that means he'll sleep soundly tonight (he has woken once already, but that's v common when too zonked to realise he's going to bed initially!). He did have 2 night feeds yesterday, but hadn't eaten so much during the day.

at 3 hour nap Jenwa.

In fact I was going to ask you about D's naps CSWS and whether they'd got any longer now that he's sleeping better at night. Presumably not, by the shound of it.

Star - As others have said, I really hope you got some rest last night. How are you today?

sound obviously, not shound. I'm turning into Sean Connery.

Sorry I just went to rest on bed for half hour and then woke up in a blur! Dh was sweet for not waking me though.

Sorry about the alcohol thing, I just thought it was odd to id you if you look under 25 when its 18 but I see your point csws and at the 'daft' I quite like that word, makes me not feel sooo stupid I am going to try it now to see if I get ID and know if I look an old hag or not

I dont know what D is like csws but sometimes the longer they are awake the more they dont seem to go to sleep as over tired but hopefully once he is alseep he will sleep well

No aubergenie - his naps are actually much better. It was rare for him to sleep more than 25-40 mins before, but today he slept for about 2 hours, hence being able to manage with just the one nap.

interesting CSWS. There really does seem to be a connection between daytime and nighttime sleep doesn't there. Have you been focussing on naps as well, or has it happened on its own?

Star poor you. I hope you and Q are better today.

Aubergenie, S is a proper little man isnt he with the wind!

Pepper happy birthday to DD.

Myjob yipee to N being almost back to normal.

CSWS my aunty-in-law kept saying to me, when I was moaning about W not sleeping, that sleep breeds sleep. She told me to try and get him into his bed to sleep during the day then he will sleep better at night. It did almost follow the rule when W went into his own bedroom. I was more strict about his daytime naps and he slept at night.

MM sounds like you had a great day. Love that M isnt keen on mil

Rhian, babies are so funny when they meet other babies. I wonder if they can talk to each other??

Sorry Pepper I meant DS.

ronshar I was going to say the same re sleep breeds sleep. That what I kind of meant re not sleeping so much means they are more likely not to sleep re overtired but when they do sleep lots they sleep better in the eve. It sounds daft though but tru

Watching Britains got talent now. Looking forward to Flawless although Diversity were fab too and rather yummy

aubergenie - we've applied the same strategy to naps as we have to nights when we've been at home (which we were today), but tbh I tend to feed him almost to sleep for his morning nap anyway, so there's usually v little (if any) crying involved. He had, I think, started to do an occasional longer nap just before we changed the method of putting him down, but the big improvement has been since. Now I can sometimes hear him stir at the times that he would previously have woken, but he goes back off by himself.

bah! Ds not settling after third night feed.

Grr, looks like 5.30 is the start of our day then, which I'd mind less if I thought that he wasn't tired any more.

Feeling a bit better today. Q slept in the cot (with several wakings) between 7.30pm-12.30am.
Then tried pick up/put down when he woke screaming at 12.20. This lasted until 1.40... when he was STILL SCREAMING every time he was put into the cot. I then fed him, then put him on the bed next to me and he wriggled around a few minutes, then fell asleep. He stayed sleeping until 7am (well beyond when I had to get up at 5.30).
DH is on holiday this week so Q is home with him. I'm not on holiday this week because it's an American system calendar - we break up for summer holidays on 17th June, so no holiday this week for me. It was nice leaving Q at home, but a bit watching DH try to juggle things. I'm certain I will come home to a huge mess. Already about it. ha!

So..... I know I screwed that sleep thing up TOTALLY. Any advice on how to fix it now or is it beyond the point of no return? I want him in his cot all night.

So glad you're feeling better today Star. I'm sure you haven't screwed the sleep thing up. You will probably need to just go back to whatever method you're using and apply it consistently. If DH is off for half term, perhaps that means he can help you tackle the sleeping issue, so you can get through the worst first nights while he's off?

I've been trying to sort S's naps out, with varying success but I think I should really focus on that this week and put him (and me) to bed at the same time each day and see how it goes.

Pepper - I meant to say yesterday, sorry about your wrist. t I've not had it fortunately, but I know that tenosinuvitis (sp?) is agony.

Myjob - Is N back to her usual self today?

Where's MM? It's quiet without her...

LOL at dh sorting sleep, aubergenie. He'd be worse! He can't stand to hear Q cry. It's too heartbreaking for him. He would have him in bed with him, too.

How often does S nap right now, aubergenie? Q naps twice (from 40 minutes - 1.5 hrs... sometimes 2, but rarely now), once morning, once afternoon.

Loulou - you had advised the pick up/put down, right? Or was that ronshar? I think I'm doing it wrong. Surely after an hour in the middle of the night it's not working, you just give up? Or no? What do you do? I know I shouldn't have given in... he's learned nothing. he's only learned to cry now. But I don't know how to fix it. I refuse to walk out of the room and let him scream for 2 hours (will lead to insecure attachment as baby just learns to "give up"). If he wants out and into my bed or arms, he just screams AS SOON AS his head hits the cot. Sometimes he's soothed for 30 seconds or so by me patting his back/bum or belly (depending on how he's lying - he sleeps either way now) - but then he goes right back to crying. Have rainforest soother on just sound, too... that works for a few secs too, but then he keeps crying. At a total loss.

to clarify - I do want to try the pick up/put down. So anyone who has used this successfully, advice greatly appreciated. Is this what you did, csws?

Star - I was the one who mentioned PU/PD as one of my friends' swore by it. I haven't done it though. There's a lot of info on the Baby Whisperer forum here. From what my friend was saying, it's pretty tough for the first few nights, in the same way that cc is.

As far as S's naps go, if he has a nap in his cot, he rarely sleeps for longer than 30 minutes. If we're on the move he'll sleep for longer, but that's not always practical.

A friend gave me a great vegetable and cheese scone recipe (no egg, no salt) the other day. S has been gobbling them up and they're really portable (and not too messy - I find that the whole feeding thing is very messy at the moment, which isn't always idea if we're out and about) andv freeze well. If anyone wants the recipe, I'll post it.

I think I used an amalgamation of methods really star, but I never left him crying by himself for more than 5 minutes. I settled him in my arms, then put him down, he started to cry, I left him and came back after 1 minute, picked him up and cuddled him, put him down, he started to cry, I left him for 2 minutes, picked up and cuddled, left crying for 3 mins, picked up......until left for 5 mins, and then I stuck at 5 mins. Only took half an hour start to finish. Second night I was going to start at 2 mins, but he was asleep by then! Treat each wake during the night (after feeding in our case, so you need to decide whether you will or not) the same way.

star sometimes the musical cot toys can be slighty distracting. I have found this with both of mine. Phoebe will have in on in the day when I put her down for a nap but usually this is if she is notas tired as I think and wriggling around, it kind of is really to occupy her while she is on the way to getting tired. If she wakes in night and I put it on she just watches it really. We have a new one and she stayed watching it for an hour until we switched it off, kept going up and putting it back on thinking it would help
I think you need to be strict, althuogh its hard, but keep putting him back down. The cries are horrible but as long as he knows you are there then he will get used to it. csws did it so you know it can work Can you put him to bed awake so he gets used to going off on his own. That way he is not sleeping on you then you moving him away. Once he starts to cry let him know you are there by patting him, stroke his face etc then walk away and keep doing it every time he gets unsettled. DOes he still have his dummy? Keep putting in back in when he cries if it helps him.The trick is to realy try not to pick him up or put him in your bed as he will learn that eventually you will give in. Phoebe sometimes just wants a cuddle. We have a nice routine where she has her milk and we have a little play where she is lay in my arms/on lap and snuggled into me and she puts her hand up to my mouth and I blow little rasberries or kiss her hand and have gentle play before bed so she has one on one attention and cuddles then I know she should be reassured that everything is ok.

it is quiet without mm!

Page 30??? Jeesus I'm struggling! Just a quickie, I'm trying the Australian position with Poppy so thought mightaswell do it in front of desktop!

Taking Pops to paed dietician today FINALLY! She's definitely doing much better now we're on solids but she's more sick with things mixed with my milk eg porridge. I'm gonna ask for some nutragimen to see if she can keep that down with porridge and may consider giving up BF if she does... It's sad but I'm BF for her at the end of rthe day, not me. and I really can't cut much else out of my diet!! DH suggested maybe more sick on milk cos lying down hence Oz position. It's quite a balancing act so gonna have to go!