October 08 - Chit chat

[CantSleepWontSleep]

That's us with the chit chat, not the babies!

10th Sept (Due 1st Oct) - loulou33 - Boy - Joe Louis David - 6lbs 12oz - Induction due to rhesus sensitivity, G&A.
16th Sept (Due 8th Oct) - Ksal - Girl - Emma Rae - 6lbs - Just beat induction for PE!
21st Sept (Due 5th Oct) - myjobismum - Girl - Naomi Caitlin - 5lbs 10oz - Fast and furious hospital birth.
22nd Sept (Due 10th Oct) - Lozza70 - Boy - Sander Gene - 7lbs 5oz - Em C-Sec due to raised BP and high ALTs from liver.
2nd Oct (Due 12th Oct) - star6 - Boy - Quinlan - 5lbs 15oz - 36hr labour, ventouse and stitches.
3rd Oct (Due 26th Sept) - purpleflower - Girl - Rebecca Jill Erzsebet - 8lbs 10.5oz - Homebirth with paramedics due to meconium.
4th Oct (Due 30th Sept) - Aubergenie - Boy - Stanley - 7lbs 12oz -
5th Oct (Due 4th Oct) - hedgepig - Boy - Oliver - 6lbs 3oz -
5th Oct (Due 29th Sept Oct) - CherryChoc - Boy - Ryan - 6lbs 11oz - 3 day labour with natural birth in hospital
8th Oct (Due 6th Oct) - ronshar - Boy - William Dexter - 7lbs 11oz -
8th Oct (Due Oct) - RedElsie - Boy - Daniel - -
9th Oct (Due 17th) - Marthasmama - Girl - Martha - 7lbs 10oz - Elective c-sec
10th Oct (Due 1st Oct) - CantSleepWontSleep - Boy - Duncan Elliot - 8lbs 4oz - 4 day induction with 1 hour established labour!
12th Oct (Due 4th Oct) - pistachio - Boy - Thomas Fraser - 10lbs 2oz - Homebirth.
13th Oct (Due 15th Oct) - mum2jakeyroo/jrsqueak - Boy - Joshua - 7lbs 2oz - Delivered in car by dh!
16th Oct (Due 17th Oct) - rowanmac - Girl - Anna Ruth - 7lbs 2oz - 2 hours ARM to placenta delivery.
16th Oct (Due 11th Oct) - heather1980 - Boy - Alexander James - 9lbs 5oz - Homebirth
17th Oct (Due 10th Oct) - pepperrabbit - Girl - Jessica Rose - 7lbs 15.5oz -
17th Oct (Due 27th Oct) - Rhian82 - Boy - - - Episiotomy and ventouse.
24th Oct (Due 29th Oct) - Ekka - Boy - Matthew - 7lbs 15oz - Home water birth with gas and air.
26th Oct (Due 20th Oct) - jenwa - Girl - Phoebe Jasmine - 9lbs 2.5oz -
28th Oct (Due 23rd Oct) - RachieW - Boy - Jack - 7lbs 4oz - hospital birth, epidural, stitches, 24hrs start to finish
28th Oct (Due 31st Oct) - Jojay - Boy - Edward Alexander - 7lbs 7oz - hospital birth - gas and air, 2nd degree tear. 7 hrs start to finish.
1st Nov (Due 22nd Oct) - SmudgeyDoodle - Girl - - 8lbs 2oz - Hospital water birth.
5th Nov (Due 29th Oct) - Honeymoonmummy - Girl - Poppy Grace - 6lbs 15oz -
5th Nov (Due 30th Oct) - MamaG - Boy - Harry James - 10lbs 9oz - Em C-Sec. Back to back and knotted cord around neck. 24 hours of labour first though, and don't you forget it!

oh star that is enough to freak anyone out having all those people in there with you Please dont be scared, I had mine and it was soooo fine, never hurt at all, much easier than sex too! It a quick prod with a swab and I never felt much, believe me, after child birth it really is easy. Maybe dont take "Q" next time, you would prob find it strange him being there or worried about it, or just dont have him facing you, just lie there and dont think about it, I know it is easy to say but think more about what they are checking for and that this is so much more simpler and easier than having further tests! Try to book it with the nurse again asap and dont allow anyone else in there, the more people there the more it will freak you out.

How are you feeling today aubergenie?

star - nothing wrong with you for not liking smear tests. I have mine done without problem, but I actually like them less than childbirth!

Pretty cr*p actually CSWS. Thanks for asking though. In fact I'm going to pop off to bed, and hopefully I'll be better tomorrow. S woke every 2 hours on the dot last night so I could be in for another long one tonight.

Sorry I haven't read the whole thing. My eyes hurt.

Star - Jenwa's right. I was thinking, having lots of people in the room is hardly going to help you relax is it?! What were they thinking? Poor you.

Heather - Poor dd, tonsillitis is horrible when you're old enough to know what's going, must be really tough for a little one.

Aubergenie - Sounds terrible. I had a rubbish night with M but at least I wasn't feeling ill too. I hope DP is looking after you.

I have ordered my Itti Bittis! I am stupidly excited about them!

Grr. not only is DH working late and not home yet, but I can still hear the patter of tiny elephants upstairs
I have morphed into my mother and have been upstairs hissing at them as they pretend to be asleep. They are absolutely pants at pretending anything tho.
This morning DS2 thought up a novel way to get out of drinking his milk with breakfast. He poured it into his cereal bowl. Aha, cunning you think, until you realise it was banana nesquik and therefore a virulent yellow. His career as a master criminal may need a bit longer before it takes off

Pepper - You wait, J will be soooooo much better at lying and fooling you. Boys are rubbish at it, girls are excellent. Well, I was anyway!

Oh I'm sure! Me and my sister were Devious!!

did the calpol help myjob?

I hope Naomi is feeling better myjob.

Thanks everyone. The dr gave me this information (AGAIN) about vaginisimus.
It's more psychological. My body just completely shuts down and won't allow it to happen with anyone I don't completely trust. You think they'd let DH do the test? . Worst part is, they tried to force the tool in quite a few times, but I remained closed (though I was TRYING to relax) and they were unsuccessful So all night and even this morning, it's very uncomfortable to sit or lay on my back Sorry for the complaining.

aubergenie - Q's been doing same for a while - we need to get those boys together... then we can lecture them .
I hope last night was better.

lol at your tiny elephants pepper. I hope they got to sleep!

star my friend has that. she is seeing a sexual therapist. just remember it is a very real condition and that it's not your fault. i hope that you feel better soon.

I spoke with a sex therapist about intimacy with DH and sorted that, but can't afford her anymore

Morning all. Sorry for being a grumpy arse last night. I was feeling dreadful but much better today.

Star - Just a thought but I wonder if you'd be better trying for your smear at a sexual health clinic? I have always found them to be more gentle than the GP and the atmosphere more relaxing, as they do these type of examinations all day every day. (Would always go to one for up to date contraception advice too.) Just a thought. Brilliant that you and DH have sorted things out though. Small steps, small steps.

MM- How was your night last night? Speaking of small steps, you wanted to know how I got on with the No Cry Sleep Solution, didn't you. [Disclaimer to anyone else reading this: I am obsessed with sleep at the moment so this could well be quite boring.]

Well, although S is still waking frequently, we've definitely seen some changes and I'm feeling quite optimistic today.

The things I've been working on this week are getting S to stop feeding to sleep, and trying to get him to settle himself, and we've seen progress on both fronts. It's defintely not a quick fix (she's very clear about this in the book) and until about two nights ago I would have said that nothing had changed. That can be a bit frustrating as you just want quick results. We've also had to switch him from his Amby nest to his cot this week, so another thing for him to get used to. I'm due to do another sleep log tonight so I'll let you know how much things have changed. But so far, modest improvements and no crying, so I'm happy.

How do you keep him awake while bf aubergenie? And then how does he settle himself? What do you do? Sorry to sound stupid, I just really don't know how to do this. But want to!

Aubergenie. Poor you it's horrible when you feel that ill. Well done with your no cry sleep stuff. W is in his cot crying. He is soooo tired that he is all red eyed. I dont nornally let him cry much but when he is still crying when I am in the room stroking his face, then he is on his own.

Star, that sounds like a traumatic exerience which will really not help you at all. Although not as traumatic as the experience we would put your DH through when you get pregnant again. Withdrawal Method, ooo I'd like to give him a talking to. That is almost as bad as thinking that standing up wont get you pregnant either. If your Gp thinks you have a treatable medical condition then he should be refering you for counselling. I am pretty sure that sexual therapy is avaliable on NHS. Give him back his leaflets and ask him to help to sort it out. GP's sometimes are daft. Like a load of info is going to miraculously cure you.
Although it may cure your piggy tail.

Star - I'm just going out now, but will be back later and I'll reply to your question. It's a bit long--winded!

Morning all. Glad you're feeling brighter today aubergenie. I'm interested in your no cry sleep stuff . Does it mention what to do when your ds decides to be awake for 1.5hrs in the middle of the night on a regular basis?

Been speaking to myjob and poor Naomi is poorly (streaming nose and cough), but she can't get on to MN at the moment.

Forgot to say yesterday that we are keeping the rose & rebellion carrier after all. The waist extender arrived yesterday, and it's actually much better when positioned around my hips rather than my waist. I think that the back carry opens their legs too much at this point though, so will prob need to leave that position until his legs are a bit longer.

Am quite enjoying him being semi-mobile at the moment. He can entertain himself moving about (can crawl backward and spin around), and all I have to do is to make sure to remove all the crap off the floor that he tries to eat (bits of cardboard, dd's stickers etc). Means I am actually managing to post with 2 hands! Tis last day without dd for 11 days though, as half term next week, so doubt I'll get much time to post in the day again.

Dh is putting 3 stair gates up this morning so that we are prepared when he gets a little more mobile.

I am thinking of applying for a job . Don't want to leave ds, but we really need some money coming in from somewhere, and there's a job going at a company I used to work for (well known supermarket) which I would stand a good chance of getting (they offered it to me in order to try and keep me when I resigned 8 years ago!). Have another 6 weeks to get appn in. There will be a lot of applicants though.

Star - i am going to have a rant so be warned . if your Gp thinks you have vaginismus he SHOULD refer you to local sexual health counsellor, you should not be paying for it. I see this as an nhs issue as you need to have a smear test but without the help from cousellor no amount of people 'having a go' is going to get the test done. I feel really cross for you that despite your body's refusal to let them do it, they still tried and have left you sore. Smear tests should not hurt, they might leave you a little tender but that is it.

I am also cross with your dh for lying to you about withdrawal grrrrrr. You do realise that condoms are only about 60% safe, don't you?? Your gp is also not completely right about the pill. yes being on the combined pill for long periods ie 10 years or more or if you are over 35 year olds, increases risk of thrombosis but this is very rare. You could try the progesterone only pill instead (POP) which is absolutely safe for bf. Kellymom has some info here and here

Did your gp not discuss contraception with you at 6 weeks (they are supposed to make sure you are using a reliable method before signing you off at the 6 week check)? Most gps would not consider condoms to be a reliable long term measure for post partum woman as you are now more fertile iyswim - your gp seems a bit pants really!! Right lecture over

Nothing exciting happening here except Joe was up at 5am and ds1 was up a couple of times in the night both with the same cough and things so i'm a bit sleep deprived today

Well done with the no cry method aubergenie and for sticking with it as these things can take a few weeks to get sorted. I wish i could find a way to get Joe to stay asleep in the mornings - some days he can do it and others like today, was just horrible. He's asleep again now but starting at 5am puts his whole day out....

Well said Loulou.
What is it and the 5am starts. W keeps waking up then and I so do not!

CSWS get that application form in. It will do DH good to be in charge of the children for a little while? Who is going to pay for your vegetable patch???

I am off to the hairdressers soon. Has anyone else discovered a whole load of new grey hair recently? Myjob you dont count as far too young for grey hair. I have had a few for years but recently I have notice LOADS. Mind you I have also been colouring my hair for so long I couldnt tell you my natural hair colour.
Day one of period number two since W born. I dont count the spotting after coil fitting. PMS is a beauty. Last month I reversed into a Jag. Even with parking sensors on. This morning I dropped the butter dish. Chipped a load off the edge. V&B as well. Bugger. Serves me right I should be using Pure on my toast. Tha cramping is just starting. I want to swear.

CSWS there is a thread started this morning from a poor mummy who's DS is really suffering with potential milk allery. Only 12 weeks old. Could you maybe find her and give her advice re allergy testing. Her Gp is an arse. If I rememeber correctly your DD was tested?
I am not even going to try and link it. You might end up with a Friday night bum sex page. Dont want that one!!!

Myjob - When my brother was young he used to call playing space invaders daddy's 'work'. Very strange! Hope poor N feels better soon.

Aubergenine - M used to be really good at self settling but not now! We tried it the other night when I was too tired to sit up and feed her any more. (still haven't mastered feeding lying down) She screamed for about ten minutes (with DH standing next to her, shushing) then got really frantic and wouldn't calm down. She wouldn't calm down even when DH picked her up. Then I took her and she instantly went to sleep on my shoulder. Well done on persevering with it! I am in Canterbury this afternoon to help my mum choose some glasses so I might have a look at the book in Waterstones.

Ronshar - I on't think I had extra grey hair, but as I didn't dye mine when I was pg I certainly noticed that I had more then I realised! My mum had a cool stripe when she first went grey but alas I don't. My period is just finishing but I had terrible back ache for about three days and raging PMT with poor old DS bearing the brunt as he is such a pickle.

Star - I agree that you need a referral. No more to add as everyone else has already said what I think!

CSWS - Is DH finding it difficult to get work? Is he trying to find something? I only ask because you don't seem like you want to go back to work. I know needs must when the devil vomits on your eider down and all that, but if you want to stay with D then DH should be helping you to do that. I hope you can find a solution that suits both of you, but I do understand that feeling of pressure to return to work. If you decide that you are going to apply, then good luck! I feel very lucky that for me there is no rush.

We had a better night last night. I have no idea what triggers a bad night, but she was very tired last night. The routine is the same every night! M is trying to get moving and can get places by rolling and reaching. She can also sit up from lying down is you hold her feet! Those are some strong stomach muscles.