June 2008: the One Show (almost)

[Essie3]

Oh and how about something along the lines of:

June 2008 - where the babies learn more new skills, and the mums learn chocolate is the answer to everything!

Not exactly pithy, but it's my motto!

How about 'june 2008: with more teeth, more walking, more birthdays and more sleep (hopefully)

Will come back and post properly later!

Just a quick hello, had a busy weekend and spent all day yesterday napping on the sofa, feeling ever so slightly more energetic today. Hope you all enjoyed your weekends, will come back later and post properly.

Penblwydd hapus Iestyn!

Glad you're feeling a bit better ktpie. What is the same of your LO if you don't mind saying it on MN? Are you on Facebook? We have a little gang going on there if you want to join

Sponge, lol at qualifying 'unique' - it is something I aways notice, as well as 'try and do', which I know everyone says but when reporters say it on the radio it really bugs me as they should know better! But that is my job so I am allowed to be that anal

Can we hear your interview on Radio Sussex online? What a terrible thing to have happened to that couple. And to think their baby was aborted when the other mother found out. You'd think someone who was going through IVF would have more compassion...? But then I suppose all she could do was either have the baby for them or keep a baby that wasn't hers, both very difficult scenarios. A tragedy.

How is Iestyn settling now Essie? We are having real trouble getting E to sleep at night atm. It takes her an hour to drop off. Last night DH dressed her after her bath and took her into her room for a cuddle as I fed T and put him down. When I went through to her she started screaming when DH gave her to me, cos she knew it was nearly time for bed. She pretty much screamed for an hour before dropping off. I don't think the heat is helping, and I wonder if she is just not very tired. So today I am cutting her lunch sleep to an hour .

urgh....Luke's gone back to nightmare wakings again. I was up 6 times last night and up for the day at 4.55. Was 5 yesterday and 4.15 the day before. Hanging by a thread!

Luke had a lovely birthday so thanks all for the nice wishes. I did have to endure Mark's mother though who seems to enjoy being horrid to me. I actually snapped back this weekend and Mark told me off in the car home although when I told him all the other things she said he was less annoyed. One example. She wants time on her own with Luke because when he sees me he just wants mummy and is not interested in her - kind of 'forced' bonding if you like. I said she could get him up in the morning and I would have a lie in. She was pleased with that but I did say that I'd probably get up at about 7.30 (which is a lie in believe me!) and please not to be angry with me for coming down. Instead of saying don't worry that's fine sort of thing, she said to keep out of her way and not to spoil things, I should go for a walk around the block - at 7.30am!!! WTF!!! Grrr - she also said that I 'took over' all the time - this is merely my presence in the room and the fact Luke runs over for a cuddle. Stupid cow.

Happy Birthday Iestyn!

Neenz - I think the woman with the embryo did have to abort.

My period is now 5 days late and you know I don't think it is coming at all. I must say I was very disappointed when I did a preggo test and it was negative. It must be something to do with this thyroid thing - I can't think of any other reason. I still have period pains though and a swolen tummy.

I can't think of anything for the new thread. I'm a bit rubbish really and just think it should be called June 2008 volume I, II etc. That's clearly because I have no imagination though!

Happy birthday Iestyn . Essie hope you're not sad. I'm still very blue about Thea being one .

I don't suppose anyone knows where I could find out about what sort of risks I'd be looking at if I had another baby (and how to minimise those risks)? What I'm worried about is that Thea went from cephalic at 40+5 to breach 3 days later, which isn't supposed to happen. She was 8lb 9oz so my uterus must be terribly capacious . She had a knot in her cord so we were very very lucky that she was ok. Is there anything one can do about a huge uterus (apart from conceive multiples!)? I know that we probably will decide not to have any more but I'd like it to be our decision, iyswim, rather than something imposed on us.

How is the impetigo AH? Amber sorry you're getting such crap sleep.
How is your sister? I've been thinking about her.

New thread title: "The babes' are one, now the funs' begun"

I went to my pilates class today and we had to adandon the class as Thea just wouldn't settle. Usually she plays happily and is pretty co-operative, but today she insisted on being in my arms and when I put her down she crawled over to me and started banging her head on the floor. It's her new trick and I'm very much looking forward to her moving on from it!

Next time I'm tempted to post that Im finding DD1 easier, please tell me not to. Horrible evening yesterday and horrible morning today . I feel like the world's meanest mother .

Ooh, ooh, Amber, I had 2 negative tests when I was pg. Your MIL sounds like mine, although mine doesn't have the cheek courage to ask me to butt out. So I don't...
An interesting thing, though. Iestyn doesn't speak English. I mean, I know it's obvious, but it was really clear when grandparents were saying 'where's grandma', and 'look at the doggy' etc, and got no response. He loves animals () and is really responsive to everyone else!!
His walking is coming along nicely too - he has one of those push trucks with blocks, and zooms around with it, but if he overbalances and falls he carries on marching on his knees! It's so funny!

Neenz settling has been ok the last few nights, but (a) Tim has been around which makes a difference and (b) he's had very tiring days with lots of people. I'm a bit concerned about tonight tbh.

LOL Sponge I stand corrected on qualifying unique! Shall I start a rant on the word 'nice'?!
Also v. interested to hear your views on the news story. I don't want to start any kind of argument or anything, though. I thought it was really awful for the couple who lost their foetus - and indeed their last chance (maybe; they have had a child naturally). But I was really sad that the other mother aborted when she discovered that the child wasn't hers. I haven't been in that situation so I don't know what it's like (hence being interested to hear Sponge's view). The other caveat is that my mother was adopted and so I was brought up to favour that over all other options. But - and I'm not trying to offend or upset anyone - IVF doesn't have a 99% success rate, and even if a foetus is implanted, not all pgs take hold, so I found it quite hard to understand the decision to abort. I know it wasn't hers genetically, but to be some of the way into pg surely should have had some sway? The foetus she had been growing was, if not genetically, already part of her? I don't know - I had a v. bad pg and so it's no longer something I take lightly! I also don't know what stage she was at either, and I suppose that would make a difference. (I'm more pro-choice than not, btw, so I'm not condemning the decision to abort IYKWIM.) Oh, gosh, I hope I haven't offended anyone though - if I'm being ignorant it's because I need it explained.

Maybe I should go back to my medieval poetry...

Now I've looked up the story and found more details (from the Daily Mail online... !!). The woman who was implanted was given the morning after pill and it was only a couple of days (if that) after she had been implanted.
I was struggling because I imagined someone being told at 20 weeks that she had the wrong embryo and terminating then or something. But now I feel sorry for that woman too.

That's such a sad case. An abortion would have been such a great torment, having the morning after the pill was I'm sure still very sad but not as traumatic.

That's such a sad case. An abortion would have been such a great torment, having the morning after the pill was I'm sure still very sad but not as traumatic.

Ha ha - Essie - already did 2 tests from different packets just to make sure. It is weird though as overactive thyroid means more periods and overactive means less and I have overactive. How come you had two negatives - when did you do them and were they from the same packet?

ooh Amber I had a few negative tests when I was expecting DS2. I was certain that I was pregnant and I was right!

Did you really? How is that? They are meant to be 99% accurate! How many days late were you when you did the test and how did you finally know that you were?

Ooh Amber, would you like to be PG?

I think it is a bit unfair on that woman for the press to say she had an abortion - the morning after pill is not quite the same. So did they implant that embryo into the wrong woman on the same day they were supposed to implant it into the real mum? That would explain how she got to abort so quickly if they realised the mistake so quick. Very very sad. If you were desperate for a child and were going through IVF then I'd expect it to be very hard to carry someone else's baby and then wonder whether you should hand it over .

How old is you DD1 Rolf, is she your no.3? Not thinking that that is relevant, just interested. I don't really know how you could make another pg safe, do you know any midwives or obstetricians? Love your new thread title, don't you think Essie?

Rolf I can't help with statistics - although I am not sure there is anything you can do to negate them anyway so perhaps better not to know? However, I am fairly sure that the chances of having a multiple pregnancy are higher the older you are so perhaps that is the answer to a roomy womb.

I'm interested though, can you really have a roomy womb? You should ask a mw to answer this on one of the other threads but doesn't the womb grow in response to the size of the baby?

Amber very exciting news from you... All my pregnancies came up really early on tests but I do know people who didn't get positive results until a few weeks into their pregnancy. My sil was about 6 weeks I think.

babies are one, the day is done, up my bum, tiddly tum tum - we should to annoy Essie don't want her to leave though!

Neenz - yeah would love to be preggers. I have never heard of people not getting a positive test result early on before - I thought they just all came up positive as soon as you had missed your period. Just shows what I know.

AAAARRRGGGGHHH!!!

Just did a massive long post and lost it when I tried to post it .

So, here's link to my interview - starts about 15 mins into the programme:

my interview

And on the subject of the IVF story, yes, would definitely have taken the MAP - the thought of carrying another woman's baby for nine months and then getting emroiled in a hideous custody battle is just too horrendous for words, and as much as it would be nice to think I would act as a surrogate for her and hand it over at the end, if I had no children of my own I would just be thinking that is another 18 mths to watch my own fertility decline while I have another woman's baby .

Sorry if that's selfish .

Hi to everyone else x

I completely agree Sponge. I think that is what I would have done too - because presumably the 'wrong' woman had her own embryo there ready waiting for her if only they had bloody implanted it correctly . Especially as it was very early on. A no-brainer really.

Just lsitening to the interview now.

Amber I think I had about 5 days of false negatives, but my periods had only just resumed so I was probably testing too early. Hope you get the result you want!

Hi Sybil. It's very unusual for a baby to turn around that late in the pregnancy, especially a good-sized baby. So presumably my uterus must be on the saggy side! I guess after 4 term pregnancies it's given good service and is less elastic than it was - imagine using the same balloon every birthday! It was the knot in her cord that scared everyone as that gives a serious risk of stillbirth.

You were great Sponge! I only spent six months thinking I would never have a baby, that was the time between my mc and getting pg with the DTs, and that was devastating enough. So I have to agree that ivf is something that ideally should be available on the NHS. Crazy that they would not treat you until 36 - if they are only going to give you one cycle, they should let you decide when to have it and give you the best chance of success. Crazy.

Rolf Did you have a large amount of fluid as tha would stretch your uterus. Mine increased dramatically for the last two weeks and ds has a lot of room to manovure. I'm not sure that anything can be done about it though.

Amber "up my bum" lol!!!!

I decided that I want my coil out. I tired to find the strings today with no luck which is probably a very good thing becasue I was going to give it a gentle tug....

Rolf that is really scary (isn't that what Carter's unborn baby died of in ER?) Is that likely to be a consequence of your womb though or just bad luck?

Essie did you ever giver instructions on how to make the bunting? 'Cos I need'em! Have decided to make some for dd's birthday so would appreciate your expert advice - ta!

Will listen later sponge but agree it would be too much to act as surrogate in the circs.
Happy birthday iestyn - think e is the baby as another week and a bit to go.
Rolf have had similar issues here where e went clingy during Pilates having previoulsy been happy to play.
Amber have had similar negative tests when just had long cycle - it's very annoying as worst of all worlds as no pregnancy and cycle out of kilter.
Hi to everyone else- knackered as back at work after e woke at three and took an hour to settle then didn't get back to sleep so sympathy from me to all the other non sleepers. Shame they can't mumsnet with each other and leave us to sleep!

Going are you getting rid of your coil so you can ttc? (ignore me if too nosey!).

No, I didn't have loads of fluid. I assume my uterus just isn't very elastic any more.

Sorry there are so many non-sleepers.

Essie I'd like the bunting instructions too, please .

Just marking my place. Am keeping up with reading but a bit too shattered for posting. Perhaps the new thread should just be June 2008: feckin knackered .

Hello to you all!