Fab Feb 2009: too sleep deprived to think of a new thread title

[dinkystinky]

'nuff said

I just wrote out quite a long post, and ds came and on the sly turned the laptop off whilst I was mid-type. The little git!
I've decided not to take the pills. I'm pissed off, not depressed.
I did try to talk to fw last night, but don't think we made any progress.
When he was still at work, he text me and told me to get a bottle of wine and when he got in, he'd take over with the oys and get them both sorted and I could just chill-out. This did not happen. I gt the wine, we got back from shops, I sterilised bottles, the unpacked the shopping, then dressed Luke for bed and fed him, then it took me 2 hours to settle him, I left the bedroom when I tough he was asleep, went to kitchen (this is now gone 9pm) did the washing up, put a load in the washing machine, got changed into my pj's then Luke started again, so dp literally raced me to the bedroom and 'dismissed' me which pissed me off, he got Luke settled in no time which made me want to hit him (fw, not Luke) so then I just went to bed.
To be fair to him, fw did get up through the night with them, nit sure if that' because he wanted to or because I didn't even stir, but for whatever reason, I had a good night's sleep. I can still feel my temper bubbling under the surface though and my heart rate is increasing, I'm not really sure why.

Have to go back into town today, after all that yesterday, I went into towen to get ds1 a new pair of shoes and came home with everything but.....so will try again today.

Fucking typical. Fw just phoned and said Luke didn't wake until 3:30 for a feed and ds1 didn't wake at all. They do it on purpose don't they?

LBB morning - just read your post about your GP visit - sleeping pills!! - how idiotic.
Typical isn't it that the DCs behave when your DP looks after them? My little blighters do that too and DH looks at me as if to say 'I don't know what you find so difficult....' He also comes in from work and makes a huge deal of tidying up the toy strewn floor tutting as he does it- it makes me want to punch him... DH was out for dinner with colleagues last night leaving me to deal with stroppy toddler and grizzly baby all evening. I was not happy.....Hope your day goes better today x

TBM good to hear from you! Glad to hear that the little ladies are doing so well.

Thanks for potty training updates PT, Dinky and Herb - on balance I think I'll leave it a couple of months [cowardly emoticon] but thought it would be easier in the summer as there are less layers to get pooed on....

oh - just thought I would share.....I popped in to say hello to our new neighbours last night and DS said hello and then shouted 'mummy's got a wobbly tummy' Don't you just love em....

Colic tip. I've been putting 5ml of gripe water in each bottle of formula, and he seems a bit more comfortale. Not quite so much thrashing about......

calico Thanx. I hope today goes better, although they've both been at it this morning already. Luke's back on 3 hourky feeds but still is really unhappy inbetween so I've been giving a bit of water. I'm not feeding him more often then 3 hourly. He takes 4-5oz a time. I'm getting a bit concerned about weight gain, but sure he wouldn't take milk if he wasn't hungry although I was not convinced this was the case with ds1.

Anyone else got a baby who won't take any more milk after they've winded? Even when I leave it a few minutes, he won't take anymore.

Ds1 has started the high pitched screaming for no apparent reason. He's done it a hell of a lot over the past 3 days. I have no idea why and not sure what to do about it. Atm, I'm telling him to stop but he just carries on so thinking maybe I should just ignore it

LLB yes, try to ignore the screaming. He may be attention seeking and even telling him to stop becomes a game so if he doesn't get a reaction he'll get bored and go and do something else....

LLB?? I meant LBB of course

Thanx. I get really embarrassed when he does it in public though.

Morning all and welcome back TBM - lovely to see you on the board again. Great that Fifi's eyes are being monitored and you're nearly into your new place - bet you cant wait to feel all settled. How is your back doing at the moment? And how is Fifi generally? Cant believe all the messing around you're still suffering with the health professionals on your back though..

LBB - sending you a huge hug. Hope today is a better day for you. I agree with Calico -ignore the screaming if you can; if you cant, maybe introduce a star chart for DS1 and explain he gets stars for behaving nicely (.i.e. not high pitched screaming if mummy asks him not to, being nice to Luke etc). Might help if he's old enough to understand it. And I think you and your partner do need to sit down and talk - all very well him telling you to relax with a bottle of wine but he clearly doesnt understand what needs to be done around the house. Maybe write down a list of things you have to do during the evening for next time so he knows what he has to do so you can chill out and relax??

Calico - I'd say dont rush potty training. My DS1 is 3 this Saturday (cant believe it!) - he was showing signs of being ready at 2.7 months (clutching himself when he did a wee, getting distressed when he had a poo in his nappy) but I didnt think he was ready enough to communicate when he needs the loo or to pull his trousers and pants down himself and pull them back on then. We introduced a couple of potties into the house then so he got used to them and occasionally sat on the potty or toilet to wee or poo to get the idea of what they were for. I thought he was ready in February to do these things by himself but knew Danny was due soon so left it till now - and he's generally got it (this morning he told us he needed a wee all by himself and went off and did it); just needs to stop holding on to his wees for so long....

THOM - sounds like you've had a really lovely couple of days in the sun. Hope DS2 is ok and fights off whatever lurgy is lurking.

Rosie - am no doctor but according to my GP dad umbilical hernias are pretty common as baby's have weak tummy muscles and the hernia can pop through the gap in the muscles. Dad told me that most hernias resolve themselves as the tummy muscles strengthen - so having the babies kick around on their activity mats will help that. At baby massage we do a couple of exercises that can also help strengthen tummy muscles - tapping a clockwise circle about 3 cm out from the babies belly button for a few minutes and rolling your plam around over their belly button gently in clockwise motion can apparently help stimulate the muscles and strengthen them. One of the babies in the class had a really bad umbilical hernia - now 3 months later its totally gone. Its pretty uncomfortable for babies if you push on their hernia so maybe why Milo doesnt like tummy time so much - though it will help strengthen his core if he does hav some tummy time. Maybe if you prop his upper half up on a rolled up towel during tummy time it would take the pressure off his tummy area? Danny certainly prefers tummy time in that kind of position.

Went to see nursery at local primary school this morning which seems nice enough - though even though we live 2 mins walk rom there we have no guarantee we will get a place there (now or for reception year)! Off this afternoon for scan of Danny's kidneys - he has a skin tag by his ear which is apparently often a sign of kidney problems according to the medics. Hope they're wrong.

Morning all.

Nice to see you rosie and welcome back TBM.

Hope you're feeling ok LBB.

Question:

I have a one-to-one meeting with a lady in the bank tomorrow to open acocunts for dd and ds. It is at 9.30am after the school run and that's normally when F wants a big ol' booby feed. Would it be polite to ask bank lady if she minds tits out during our meeting?

MS - given the choice of boob out or screaming baby, am sure she'd be happy with you feeding Frank in the bank...

Hey lovely ladies!

dinky - I'm kind of with you on the MIL thing - I always found it easier to talk to John's mum than mine, even if she is a typical 'mum of boys', however since I found out I was pregnant, I've got so much closer to my mum, and couldn't have got through the last year without her. John's mum is still pretty good, only really had 4 or 5 incidences over the last 5 1/2 years.

THOM - Hope T is ok - is he due his jabs as well? M had hers on Monday but I totally chickened out, and John went in with her...

lbb - Glad to be of help yesterday, hope things are looking better. Shame you didn't get the relaxing night you hoped for, but remember not to get angry at the 'dismissing' and the fact he settled Luke so quickly, it's just him trying to help.

MS - If you ask her first I'm sure she won't mind. You could always wear a scarf that you can drape down. It's not like you're gonna wave them in her face and squirt milk at her...

I might...

Get yer norks out, MS, I did for the mortgage man

Dinky hope Danny's scan goes well today and there's no kidney problem.

LBB how are you doing? DD has also just started the screeching thing. She was doing it in the GP waiting room yesterday then had the biggest tantrum because I wouldn't let her run outside. By the time Sam's name was called she was so hysterical I had to restrain her while one of the nurses held Sam for his jabs . She was so out of control (DD, not the nurse!!) that I don't even know if Sam cried or not. Then the nurse asked if I was doing ok, which of course started me blubbing again ... a regular occurrence at the moment. I spoke to the health visitor this morning and she's asked me to keep an eye on it. I don't think I feel depressed, just sooooo tired like you say. However I'm not sure about all the crying and I feel quite highly strung and shakey some of the time. I think my Mum is a bit worried because she's actually booked some time of work to come and stay next week ! This is highly unusual!

Sam is also feeding 3 hourly during the night at the moment (and almost 2 hourly during the day) - the HV this morning suggested some hungry baby formula (no. 2) just in the evening and during the night and see how that goes. Also, and she has a point here, maybe we are feeding him automatically when he cries in the night so as not to wake DD. I think we need to let him snuffle and cry out a bit before rushing to him.

Can I just ask a personal question .... At my 8 week check yesterday (during which I was not checked at all - just asked about contraception) I decided to make an appointment to have a coil fitted (but not the hormone one). Has anyone had one fitted before? What's it like? Has it caused any probs? Also, my sister was the 0.1% that fell pregnant with a coil resulting in a beautiful, if unplanned, little girl!

Off into Kingston now to Primark to find some cheap t-shirts that disguise my mummy-tummy! Calico at your DS!!!

and welocome back TBM!!! Glad you are all doing well.

Did you get a good deal Swampster ?! I fed Mr T yesterday in Homebase. I sat at a very nice outdoor dining set whilst DS1 looked at the BBQs! I think we should have an extreme BF competition...

STW sounds like my 8 wk check today which consisted of the (very nice) GP asking me if I was alright! You're brave to have a coil. I have never got over the fact I fainted at school when we were shown a video about them... Please leave some stuff in Kingston for me - we're off there tomorrow!

Re tummy-time. I used to find DS1 quite liked it if I put him in his front on my bed and then I sat on the floor in front of him so when he lifted his head and body up we were at eye level with each other.I think it helps them feel more secure.

Dinky I hope all goes well at the scan today and Danny is given he all-clear.

STW - I spoke to GP about the Mirena coil, but I'm a bit nervous about it, and can't quite decide if I want to go ahead with it or not. It's supposed to be good for heavy periods, though, which is a huge plus for me...

Dinky thanks for that - good advice, i didnt think about the rolled up towel just havent really been giving him much in the way of tummy time as he cries and seems uncomfortable - i will try it out later on today when he wakes up Really hope that you get the all clear r.e. kidneys with Danny too - let us know how you both got on.

TBM nice to hear from you - good to see you are all a-ok.

STW ive had two coils pre this pregnancy and they arent too bad to get fitted really - a little bit of periody type cramping but nothing too drastic. I too have to make an appt with the family planning clinic to get a new one fitted as my diabetic consultant at the hospital recommened that i use the merena (sp) - will be glad to stop using the ole' condoms soon though tis' a bit of a pash killer lol and makes me feel about 18 again (its the only thing that does!)

Danny got the all clear - hurrah! Thanks for your well wishes ladies - they obviously did the trick.

STW - I was like that when pregnant with DS1 and hugely stressed and sleep deprived due to work - if any one was even remotely considerate towards me I burst into tears. It probably is the sleep deprivation - and the post birth hormones (which take ages to settle down) - making you more tear prone than usual. And your DD acting up really doesnt help matters. Remember the mummy mantra - its just a phase, this too will pass... And Sam will stretch out to longer and longer at night - just think back to where you were 4 weeks ago and how far you and Sam have come already. If its any consolation Danny is feeding around every 2 to 2 and a half hours during the day still but he has naturally stretched out his night feeds to good long stints as he's getting his feeds in during the day. Hope you've had a nice time at the shops.

Hmm, extreme bfing competition... reclined on dentists chair while dentist (thankfully a woman - embarrassingly enough my neighbour though) was inspecting my teeth just before easter is probably my entry...

ps STW - you'd be amazed at whar toddlers can sleep through. DS1 at 18 months slept through drilling just outside his bedroom when there was burst watermain in the street outside - no one else in the street got any sleep that night!

STW iN CASE YOUR HV DIDN'T MENTION IT, HUNGRY BABY FORMULA WILL MAKE HIS COLIC WORSE. iT WORKS ON QUALITY AND QUANTITY.
i WANTED TO GIVE IT TO JACOB, BUT HV ADVISED AGAINST IT BECAUSE HIS COLIC WAS SO BAD.

Oh, why did I type that in capitals? i'M NOT SHOUTING, SLIP OF THE FINGER and can't be bothered/not got time to re-type

I didn't use the hungry baby stuff on him, his feeding calmed down a bit once the colic had passed and he was being treated for the reflux.
I think Luke is feeding more often because he has a snuffly cold on him and needs the extra fluids, plus like I said earlier, he won't take milk after he has burped (weirdo) so he is having smaller amounts ish. I have also decided to scrap routine feeding as it's just not working on Luke like it did with Jacob. Luke sometimes wants food after 3 hours and sometimes after 4.5, so I'll let him lead me in that one now, and I'll get routine feeding when we wean (not in 8 weeks like the gp suggested)
I was thinking of going to Kingston today.....I went to Staines instead though. I love Kingston, I used to run a pub there. We tend to pop to Kingston once every couple of weeks. Maybe we could arrange a time when we're both going in and have a coffee or something? That'd be nice. J and O can screech at each other and S and L can jerk in the pushchairs together Let me know if you fancy it sometime.
rosie my ds1 hated being on his tummy even for a split second, so I didn't do it, I waited until he could roll over and just let him do it when he was ready. Luke has very little time on the floor, mostly because he is at risk of being kicked in the face by ds1!
Also PSL Where abouts does John work again? If you're in the area, it'd be silly not to meet if we're both free. Just let me know.

A lady came over to me in the shopping centre whilst I was feeding Luke, she sat down next to me and said "I saw you earlier in town. You have such lovely looking boys" I was very proud. She also said Luke has lovely eyes. Just thought I'd boast a bit there. She said I must be exhausted and asked how I cope. I said "prozac", she laughed! Hahahahaha, not really, I'm not taking them, my mum thinks I should, my dad thinks I shouldn't, dp doesn't want me to and I don't think I need them, but they are here if I change my mind.

Re: birth control and 6-8 week checks. My gp also just asked me if I was ok, I said yep and that was it. he didn't ask about birth control and I forgot to mention it. I have a few packs of Microgynon that I was taking for a while after ds1, so I checked the BBE date and am using those. I've still got that appointment for monday which I will keep and get more of them. I have never thought of getting a coil fitted, I remember the video at school also.
I have a smear test booked for next week (which I will have to change), can't remember when I had my last, although I'm sure it was days before I found out I was pregnant with ds1. I remember getting a letter saying all was fine but my gp lost the paperwork from my notes so wanted it done again (20 months ago). I should stay on top of it as my mum had cervical cancer, she had to have a histerectomy(sp?) because of it too. I am also a smoker, I have been around the block and lost my virginity young (big mistake and way TMI, sorry), so all key factors that I may be high risk...
It's been 3 hours, Luke's started crying again so gonna try to feed him

Quickly, do we all stand by this 'if your baby isn't hungry s/he won't eat'? I wasn't with ds1 at all, but know that Luke has no problem turning away from the bottle.
I've never done demand feeding, so as long as at least 3ish hours have passed do I just feed him assuming it's that? Or should I go through the motions of checking nappy, clothing, winding etc (I suppose we do most of that constantly on auto-pilot anyway).

Oh my - Sam's been awake nearly all day!!! How wierd (is that the right spelling - it doesn't look right??) to look down at the pram and have him looking back at me. Of course I have high hopes for tonight now....

LBB I didn't know that about hungry baby formula and colic. Maybe I'll just carry on with no. 1 and see what happens after a few days. I'd love to meet up in Kingston (LOL about J and O + L and S!!!) - and anyone else who knows it. I walked from Surbiton all along the river to Kingston Bridge (and back!!) and fed Sam in the Riverside Cafe feeling really happy . Got some bits and bobs in Mothercare with a gift voucher and then poshed it up in Waitrose for tonight's dinner!!!

Dinky - yes, I think it's just the tiredness sending me up and down. Add to the mix a troublesome toddler and a baby, and it's a recipe for disaster!!! One of the girls I met at a toddler group has been checking in with me every day . With her first baby she had post puerple (no idea what the proper word is) psychosis and was in hospital for ages. She had her second a week before Sam and is doing really well this time.

Thanks for messages re. coil. I'm thinking that after 2 births a coil fitting shouln't be too bad, but that's what I thought about having a tooth out. I have now sworn I will never have another tooth out under local anaesthetic!

I must stop rammbling as O is due back from nursery with DH in about 10 mins and there's shopping everywhere! Catch you later I hope.

Kingston is just one bus ride away for me.

I was on a thread about public transport and pushchairs, infact so were you dinky, and it's gone from threads I on, did something kick off? It wasn't me saying I've had to tie ds1 to a bench in order to get us all up the stairs was it?

I suspect its been removed by the moderators. Someone posted saying it was a thinly veiled attempt to dig up stories for an article and to naff off - and lo and behold it has disappeared...