JUNE 2008- tantrums, shrieking and lashings of Gin (and that's just the mums!)

[pureeandpearls]

Thread number 123 or something like that

LOL Amber- I'm stuck in traffic on the way home and you are on MN talking about bodyshapes. I have a TOTALLY different body shape.

Very interested in arb-addict diet though. TELL ALL IMMEDIATELY SYSTEMS. My MIL is breathing down my neck about weight.....

I had something to say but can't remember what it was. Off to collect babypearls. Hopefully I'll rememeber whilst gone.

Rolf, yes, I have quite a sizeable bump! I stopped this total stranger in town today to quiz her on her icandy pear and she asked me, in conversation, if I knew what I was having yet. When I said no, I was only 13 wks she looked stunned!!

SA, lol at the "lets get it over with" shags! Remember those from the days of clomid .

AH, sorry your NCT group make you feel low but glad you had nice time with your colleague.

P&P, can't believe your MIL is nagging you about your weight . Is this a supportive nag or a bloody well lose weight nag. It's a sore point cos when I was overweight my MIL used to bring diet sheets and books to show me when she visited and used to monitor and comment on what I ate. She also did it when I was pg with A .

She has had her weight problem all her life. PPeople in glass houses . . . .

Oooh, forgot to say Amber - have a wonderful holiday and good luck xxx

Hello all. Afraid I'm a bit low in energy these days - our nights are just as bad as ever. Feeling like I've hit a real low point with lack of sleep, support (DP working stupid hours again and never here), worrying about no job, etc. Also I'm feeling a bit abandoned by one or two friends in RL - I barely ever see the person who's supposed to be my best friend here anymore. She obviously has no interest in B, and no interest in me as I don't want to go out and get completely wankered these days. If boozing to excess isn't involved, she's not interested! Oh well.

Had some stuff to say... Let me think... Sponge, glad all going well. Josey, hope Olivia is continuing to improve at home. Deb, would love to come on holiday to your place, but not very likely this year! Hope your bookings pick up. Amber, have a fab holiday, where are you going?

Viva, yes! I did eventually finish the cardigan for B - it's lovely. I'm knitting a few things for a friend who's having a baby in Autumn, so hopefully plenty of time to get them done!

Aberdeen, just saw on the BBC news site (Scottish bit) that their are chocolate eating health trials in your neck of the woods - I think you should apply.

My bodyshape is definitely 'blob' these days.

Hello to everyone else. Oh, Sponge and Poppy (I think it was you two) - what is DOND??

Oh no, I made the 'their/there' error, I hate that!!! Definitely too tired!!!

puree and sponge at your MILs! I'd be so furious and hurt!

whinegums am seriously tempted to apply - The Rowett is closer to Josey's than mine though so it'd be a bit of a trek for blood samples. Sorry to hear you're still getting no sleep and also that your BF is not being very supportive/interested.

Feel like a trip up to Aberdeen? Josey and I are very friendly, I promise! Or should we revive the idea of a Scottish meet-up somewhere central? I think the problem was scheduling days off - I'm 5 mornings a week so never available but I've tons of holidays so I could just take a day off with enough notice.

Honestly I'm starting to feel very lucky that Fraser sleeps as well as he does (up once or twice a night). I'm definitely getting perspective (compared to all my friends and their wonder-sleep babies.

DOND - deal or no deal?

Aw, whinegums, so sorry you're feeling low. Sleep deprivation and exhaustion sucks big style, esp when you have so much else to cope with . I assume your bezzie mate doesn't have kids? I hardly speak to mine either these days .

I'll excuse you the heinous crime of mixing up your their/theres on this one occasion!

Oh, and DOND is Deal or No Deal!

AH, very hurt and very angry about my MIL, yes . It's part of the reason why we don't get on - I am not rich enough or thin enough for her son . His previous girlfriend was a size 10 and came from a very wealthy family - I think she was gutted when they split up and actually told me when we first got together that she was really fond of her .

A few years ago she bought me a pair of pjs for Christmas, and some for my SIL. We were messing around and trying them on over our clothes and she said, "Oh, do they fit you sponge? I was going to get you a large but I thought you might be offended" . As you can imagine it rather took the edge off my Christmas .

Systems I did it for about a month and my milk supply was ok. I fell off the wagon during a period of exhaustion/anxiety/ineptitude and not getting the right foods in the house. I also got really sick of eggs and had trouble with suitable breakfasts. But I felt great, less bloated, more energetic, and my awful sugar cravings really calmed down. What do you have for breakfast when you're doing it?

Evening everyone

Sponge and Puree at your mils, mine had home-made Christmas crackers , one year she decided to put a pair of knickers/underpants in for us all. funny enough at the dinner table on Christmas day but that fact that tehy were all huge was even funnier. I can imagine it might have offended if we didn't get on in the first place.

Those struggling with lack of sleep, I hope you all get a decent stretch of sleep tonight

Abdn - can't believe that they were going to leave your boiler until Monday. It actually snowed here today fleetingly!

Whinegums - nice to hear from you, but sorry you're feeling down.

systems - you're a cottage loaf - I have the worst muffin top imaginable. I can get into my old jeans now but the overhang is disgusting.

Rolf - pleased to hear Thea's on the mend.

Amber - where are you going on holiday? Good luck with the baby making! Tristan was produced on a weekend away!

Aren't people weird about weight? My mother is obsessed with it, keeps talking about my niece having enormous thighs. My niece is - wait for it - 14 months old

Rolf I would eat anything for breakfast I would for lunch - protein + CM veg - today it was microwaved green beans with melted cheese slice on top, plus coffee with cream. Might be cold meat + salad, cucumber + chicken mayo, etc etc. Though often I would skip breakfast and just have lunch early, then that would get me through the day. I know people who successfully do it by having reward meal breakfasts, too.

puree there's a v. old website at www.carbohydrateaddicts.com/ with links to the books - you have to have a high tolerance for cheesy americanisms though!

Re body shapes - mine is now 'apple' i.e. I still look pregnant!

Sponge, Mark's nan told me I would look much better when I lost weight the other day. What do you say?!

Whinegums, I am off to Cyprus to the same place I went for 3 days last November (and where was cancelled last year cos of Mark's work). I am very excited.

Aftr a while sleep deprivation will make you feel very low indeed. I felt like that yesterday and I wondered if it was bacause I am weaning myself off my anti ds but I thought no - I have had no more than 4 hour sleep a night for weeks - that is why I feel down. I had 5 hours today and I feel much better even though my arms are burnt to a cinder!

I know what you mean about the friends thing. It's funny I was having this conversation yesterday that you know who your real friends are when you go on maternity leave and see who stays in touch. You might be surprised. I have one best buddy who I have known since I was 14 who has been very supportive but there are others who have faded into non existence once the booze stopped flowing. Have you talked to her? You know some people just don't know how to have an evening out without alcohol. I didn't until I got pregnant. My BF is another one who always drank when they went out and I took her to my local park one sunny day and we got sarnies and ice cream, and had a wonderful afternoon gossiping. She was surprised she had enjoyed herself so much. Sometimes you need to bite the bullet and do the organising and 'force' the other person out. Whatever happens you always have us!

Aww, I knew you lot would make me feel a bit better! And solve the DOND mystery!

Aberdeen, a trip up your way is just a bit too far, but DP will be up in June for a few days for a show, so B and I might tag along - if so, I'd love to meet you and Josey. Otherwise, reviving the Scottish central meet up would be great, I'd definitely be up for it. Maybe when DramaQueen takes a break from revision - Viva if you're there, what do you think?

You're right Sponge, my mate doesn't have kids. In the past we did do things that didn't involve boozing, but she's just not interested. Even suggesting a visit to the park means that she stows a bottle in her handbag! I do wonder if she's a high functioning alcoholic. After that though, I got an apologetic text before saying she'd been really busy at work. We're meeting for lunch on Sunday. I do feel sad she's just not interested in B though. Ah well. Amber, yes, some friends just disappear don't they?

Sponge, your MIL sounds like a right cow. I've always had ishoos with my weight too, and my mum is the worst at making comments. I've spoken to her about it before, but she just can't help herself. I try and ignore it. If anyone else apart from my mum mentions my weight, I usually say 'Well, I can always go on a diet, but you can't stop being a cow,' or something along those lines.

Deb, your MIL sounds fab. Listening to all the stories about MILs though, I am usually quite glad I don't have one.

Rolf, hope Thea is on the mend, forgot to say earlier. When I did a low carb thing, I used to have cream cheese with smoked salmon or ham for brekkie when I got sick of eggs.

hi really quick post - slowly getting back into work (am on facebook more as have new toy -an iphone- that logs into it) but its very draining getting back to 9 to 5 (apologies to those like amber whinegums and systemsaddict who are struggling with the sleep).

ambersponge totally agree that babies sort out the wheat from teh chaff- I've been pleasantly surprised about the people who have bothered (as opposed ot those that didn't) ..that said on the other hand , my griping re my maternity group seems to be indicating the fact that it seems to have run its course -guess I'm less bothered as I'm back at work but ah I do know how you feel about feeling a bit out of it with them (if only you lived nearer, I'd do chocolate and sympathy if you needed). amber hols sound fab and just what you need

sponge and puree grr re your mil ...mine has had her moments but was actually lovely when I lost my little boy and means well but is just inept (bless her -she is getting better from her stroke but you can tell it really frustrates her not being on top of things). Its my mum who is bothering me at minute but that is another story.

rolf glad things are getting better at your house

And sorry for all those fretting re weight - but sponge spongelet says (s)he likes a bit of room to move so if you don't mind can you stick to watching dond and hold off on the health kick til after they arrive ....

massive apologies to anyone I've missed -will try to catch up over the weekend (and I'm half watching hell's kitchen -how annoying is anthea)...

and can I add my lo into birthday list

18/05/08 - PUREE - Cecily Jean Olivia
30/05/08 - PARO - Fleur
04/06/08 - JOSEY - Olivia
07/06/08 - ABDNHIKER - Fraser
11/06/08 - SYBIL - Jamie
11/06/08 - SYSTEMS - Caitlin Rose
15/06/08 - SPONGE - Alex
15/06/08 - AMBER - Luke
15/06/08 - ROLF - Thea
16/06/08 - ESSIE - Iestyn Seiriol
17/06/08 - ALI - Peter
17/06/08 - DEB - Ethan
26/06/08 - POPPY34 - Edith (Edie) Irene Paris

18/05/08 - PUREE - Cecily Jean Olivia
30/05/08 - PARO - Fleur
04/06/08 - JOSEY - Olivia
07/06/08 - ABDNHIKER - Fraser
11/06/08 - SYBIL - Jamie
11/06/08 - SYSTEMS - Caitlin Rose
15/06/08 - SPONGE - Alex
15/06/08 - AMBER - Luke
15/06/08 - ROLF - Thea
16/06/08 - ESSIE - Iestyn Seiriol
17/06/08 - ALI - Peter
17/06/08 - DEB - Ethan

I'm back in London after a rather long but quite nice journey - stopped to buy a pram, and then stopped to see my BF who will have a baby the next time I see her. Or be in the process of having one.
Ah, the old shape issue. (Systems I'm sorry, but can I admit to smiling a bit when I saw you had described yourself as a cottage loaf and are on the carb lovers diet? But cottage loaf is the loveliest description, it only makes me think of happy things. And the Welsh children's character Sali Mali which is how most Welsh children learn to read. Her husband is Jac y Jwc. Mind you, I suppose I don't want to model my figure on her!)
My shape has changed, although I weigh about the same, and I'm in the overhang gang with Deb. And we must be a right pair, with our overhangs and non-matching boobs.

I'm pretty sure you can't lose weight if you're tired (and I am a doctor after all... ). But you can conceive - I had a really heavy cold when we conceived Iestyn, and it was a really rubbish shag. (I know it was that one, because DH was away, then he came back, we had the one go, then I was too ill with a cold to even bother, then he was away for 2 weeks, and then I got a positive result! So I know it was that one. Plus we don't get much, clearly! )

Ali quite shocked about Peter's eyesight diagnosis. How sure can they be? It all sounds odd - particularly because it's long sightedness. So they think he can see far away but not close? How do they know?

Duh, x-posted Poppy, and may I say what a lovely full name Edie has? Quite unusual!

I'm picturing Essie and Deb with mismatched boobs and overhangs cowering in the corner of a playpen .

must sleep, must sleep..Poor Thea has been sick again, just when I thought she was better. She's happier, anyway.

Rolf - breakfasts - www.carbohydrateaddicts.com/faqbreakfast.html. Hope Thea back to her normal self today.

Whinegums, Amber, other non-sleepers - sympathy and solidarity - they will get there eventually ... we have to believe! C up every hour again last night - she's getting ibuprofen tonight in case it's teeth, and on Sunday dp is losing his computer / music room to her cot for a while. I need her sleeping somewhere I can ignore the screams properly. May seem harsh but her life will be shit if I can't function. I keep waking up to find I've sleepily collected her from her cot and latched her on, however determined I was to leave her 10 mins, when she's next to my head I just want to get back to sleep!

systems not harsh at all! We're thinking of turning the monitor off so we don't hear F unless he's really screaming. CC was working for a while, he slept great for a few nights, but we're back to very little sleep after three in the morning. I need to start going to bed at half eight. Last night we only had 4.5 hours which is just silly when F slept for seven in a row...

poppy virtual chocolate works almost as well - thanks!

Someone is coming to fix my boiler in the next four hours... If it's not fixed, I'm booking a hotel room for the weekend because the boys are getting a bit too dirty and my shower this morning was actually painful and shriek-inducing. (Or we could just go swimming and use the public showers, but it's not the same and DS1 and I have a mild allergy to chlorine so we normally have to shower at home after).

okay and I'd like a weekend away

Luke slept last night from 1am to 5am without a murmour - hurrah!!! We have a second viewing tomorrow - double hurrah!!! Off to MIL's for the w/e later today - erm...hurrah.

Hello to all - no time to properly post as I am de babying the flat for the second viewing as the potential buyer is a young man. It's hard work!!

Laters xx

Amber good luck!!!!

my boiler's working again!

Abdn -shame you don't geta night away now

Amber - fingers crossed for the 2nd viewing - sounds good,

Rolf - those who lose garlic cloves should not ridicule overhangs and odd boobs!!

Glad I'm not alone Essie!

systems - I think moving the cot will make all the difference, it certainly did with Ethan.

Been and bought about 60 plants today for the essential Austrian window boxes!

Rolf and Deb you two have made my day

Ohmigod, I'd forgotten all about the garlic cloves!!