October 08 - Growth spurts and rolling and sitting and stuff

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Here we go again...

10th Sept (Due 1st Oct) - loulou33 - Boy - Joe Louis David - 6lbs 12oz - Induction due to rhesus sensitivity, G&A.
12th Sept (Due 6th Oct) - iuseantiageingstuff - Boy - Fred William - 8lbs 13.5oz - Induction due to high BP.
14th Sept (Due 14th Oct) - twinklytoes - Boy - Samuel - 7lbs 4.5oz - Em C-Sec due to grade 4 PP.
16th Sept (Due 8th Oct) - Ksal - Girl - Emma Rae - 6lbs - Just beat induction for PE!
20th Sept (Due 8th Oct) - kookiegoddess - Girl - Reya Marie - - Induction due to OC, epidural, 3rd degree tear.
21st Sept (Due 5th Oct) - myjobismum - Girl - Naomi Caitlin - 5lbs 10oz - Fast and furious hospital birth.
22nd Sept (Due 10th Oct) - Lozza70 - Boy - Sander Gene - 7lbs 5oz - Em C-Sec due to raised BP and high ALTs from liver.
27th Sept (Due 1st Oct) - accessorizequeen - Boy twin - Felix - 6lbs 8oz -
27th Sept (Due 1st Oct) - accessorizequeen - Girl twin - Bridget - 7lbs 7oz -
1st Oct (Due 29th Sept) - WombFor1More - Boy - Harvey James - 8lbs 13oz - Homebirth, no pain relief.
2nd Oct (Due 4th Oct) - annwoo - Boy - TBA - 8lbs 7oz - Amazing birth!
2nd Oct (Due 30th Sept) - sambrads - Girl - Brooke - 7lbs 9.5oz -
2nd Oct (Due 12th Oct) - star6 - Boy - Quinlan - 5lbs 15oz - 36hr labour, ventouse and stitches.
2nd Oct (Due 8th Oct) - Alexa808 - Girl - Tienette - 7lbs 4.5oz - Planned c-sec
3rd Oct (Due 5th Oct) - rosebury - Boy - Austin - 9lbs 2oz - Delivered at home by dh!
3rd Oct (Due 6th Oct) - Bethoo - Girl - Maia - 7lbs -
3rd Oct (Due 6th Oct) - hoff - Boy - Oliver - -
3rd Oct (Due 19th Oct) - MrsTittleMouse - Girl - - -
3rd Oct (Due Sept) - purpleflower - Girl - - 8lbs 10.5oz - Homebirth with paramedics due to meconium.
4th Oct (Due 2nd Oct) - 1sttimer80 - Boy - - 8lbs 10.5oz -
4th Oct (Due 30th Sept) - Aubergenie - Boy - Stanley - 7lbs 12oz -
5th Oct (Due 29th Sept) - plusonemore - Boy - Alfie Thomas - 8lbs - Induction, epidural
5th Oct (Due 2nd Oct) - MrsBish - Girl - Rachel - 8lbs 8oz -
5th Oct (Due 4th Oct) - hedgepig - Boy - Oliver - 6lbs 3oz -
5th Oct - CherryChoc - Boy - Ryan - 6lbs 11oz - 3 day labour with natural birth in hospital
7th Oct (Due 23rd Oct) - Emmsy1 - Girl - Amy Louise - 5lbs 12oz -
7th Oct (Due 2nd Oct) - snowymum - Boy - Rowan Michael - - Home water birth
8th Oct (Due 6th Oct) - ronshar - Boy - William Dexter - 7lbs 11oz -
8th Oct (Due 20th Oct) - 07mumstheword - Girl - Freya Mae - 7lbs 12oz -
8th Oct (Due 16th Oct) - moodywren - Boy - Hayden - 6lbs 9.5oz - Homebirth
9th Oct (Due 27th Sept) - Pidge - Boy - Arthur - 8lbs 14oz - Homebirth
9th Oct (Due 17th) - Marthasmama - Girl - Martha - 7lbs 10oz - Elective c-sec
10th Oct (Due 1st Oct) - CantSleepWontSleep - Boy - Duncan Elliot - 8lbs 4oz - 4 day induction with 1 hour established labour!
11th Oct (Due 3rd Oct) - usuallytooshytochat - Girl - Megan Leah - 8lbs 2oz - Homebirth with ambulance crew!
11th Oct (Due 14th Oct) - tedmundo - Boy - Patrick Francis - 6lbs 15oz - C-Sec for breech
12th Oct (Due 4th Oct) - pistachio - Boy - Thomas Fraser - 10lbs 2oz - Homebirth.
13th Oct (Due 15th Oct) - mum2jakeyroo/jrsqueak - Boy - Joshua - 7lbs 2oz - Delivered in car by dh!
13th Oct (Due 7th Oct) - belgo - Boy - Wolf - 8lbs 7oz - Home water birth
13th Oct (Due 19th Oct) - rach010 - Girl - - 6lbs 11oz - Gas & air, small tear, no stitches.
13th Oct (Due 21st Oct) - caramelbunny - Girl - Megan Ruby - 5lbs 12oz - Em C-Sec under GA.
13th Oct (Due 20th Oct) - firsttimer08 - Boy - - -
15th Oct (Due 29th Sept) - perkypopsy - Girl - Stella Frances - 8lbs 14oz -
16th Oct (Due 17th Oct) - rowanmac - Girl - Anna Ruth - 7lbs 2oz - 2 hours ARM to placenta delivery.
16th Oct (Due 12th Oct) - milfakamonkeymonkeymoomoo - Boy - - 9lbs 13.5oz - Home water birth
16th Oct (Due 11th Oct) - heather1980 - Boy - Alexander James - 9lbs 5oz - Homebirth
17th Oct (Due 23rd Oct) - ajm200 - Girl - Amelia Caitlyn - 7lbs 2oz - Homebirth
17th Oct (Due 10th Oct) - pepperrabbit - Girl - Jessica Rose - 7lbs 15.5oz -
17th Oct (Due 27th Oct) - Rhian82 - Boy - - - Episiotomy and ventouse.
17th Oct (Due 22nd Oct) - pingviner - Boy - Teemu Finn - 7lbs 15oz - Em C-Sec
18th Oct (Due 13th Oct) - YumMum22 - Boy - - 10lbs - Home water birth
20th Oct (Due 10th Oct) - emkay - Boy - - 9lbs 8oz -
20th Oct (Due 16th Oct) - bigmouthstrikesagain - Girl - Polly - 8lbs 7oz - Good hospital birth with synto drip.
21st Oct (Due 16th Oct) - WheresTheAuPair - Boy - Finley Peter - 9lbs 7oz - Elective c-sec
21st Oct (Due 21st Oct) - hansnava - Girl - Sophia Leigh - 7lbs 6oz - Elective c-sec
23rd Oct (Due 26th Oct) - 4andnotout - Girl - Tilly-Grace - 7lbs 0.5oz - 2 pushes and out!
24th Oct (Due 29th Oct) - Ekka - Boy - Matthew - 7lbs 15oz - Home water birth with gas and air.
26th Oct (Due 24th Oct) - sparklesandwine - Girl - Poppy - 8lbs 13oz -
26th Oct (Due 20th Oct) - jenwa - Girl - Phoebe Jasmine - 9lbs 2.5oz -
27th Oct (Due 23rd Oct) - nuclear - Boy - - 8lbs 13oz - Gas & air and some stitches.
28th Oct (Due 30th Oct) - Jambers99 - Girl - Hannah Louise - 7lbs 3oz - Straightforward and quick labour.
31st Oct (Due 20th Oct) - KnickersOnMaHead - Boy - Samuel Paul - 9lbs 11oz - No stitches!
31st Oct (Due 21st Oct) - GirlWithTheMouseyHair - Boy - Ethan Christopher Loy - - Homebirth.
1st Nov (Due 25th Oct) - Flum - Boy - Bob - 8lbs 10oz - 4 hour labour with gas & air, pethidine and a healthy dose of champagne!
1st Nov (Due 22nd Oct) - SmudgeyDoodle - Girl - - 8lbs 2oz - Hospital water birth.
5th Nov (Due 29th Oct) - Honeymoonmummy - Girl - Poppy Grace - 6lbs 15oz -
5th Nov (Due 30th Oct) - MamaG - Boy - Harry James - 10lbs 9oz - Em C-Sec. Back to back and knotted cord around neck.
5th Nov (Due 23rd Oct) - Sallypuss - Girl - Eibhlin Alexandra - 9lbs 4oz - Induction, 15 hour labour then emergency c-section.

thanks csws, that was great. Feeling more prepared. I will never forget that moment. Not ever.

CSWS, what's this "we" business?? That's a really useful vid, thanks. I've just out my name down for a first aid course this morning, funnily enough. Re signing, I had a demo last week, it's a lot of songs to get them to know the words. I've decided to go for Rhythm Time and swimming lessons instead.

Sorry to hear about poorly babies.

How often do you all properly wash baby's hair and what product do u use? Also, stupid question but can you use baby wipes for their hands and face too??

Poppy's not in the best of moods this morning. Re the DF and moire vomiting, I had also had a glass of wine the night before. my first in 2 weeks, could it have been this causing vomiting??

Also, is there dairy in prawn toast???

Mightaswell get all the stupid questions out of the way at once...

Oh also, re signing, there are some signs on the cbeebies website, this isn't BSL but a lot of the signs are the same.

M was really sick when I had my very first post-pregnancy glass of wine, but I assumed it was coincidence. I have no idea if it can cause vomiting but I've not read that it's a problem anywhere. I'm sure CSWS will be able to provide an answer. I wash M's hair 2/3 times a week when she has a bath. We use the cradle cap shampoo as she still has a scaly head. I try not to use wipes on her hands and face as she has terrible eczema on her hands and some times it flairs up on her face too. I usually use warm water on her face & hands when she needs it, but not obsessively! Both DC really suffer when I use anything with sodium laureth sulphate in it so that rules out anything foamy.

Me and loulou you cheeky madam .
Only one way to find out about the wine, and that's to wait until she's better and then have another glass .

No products in bath or on hair - just not necessary imo. Run water over his hair every night when he's in bath.

Prawn toast - shouldn't have dairy in, but again, check label or ask if from take-away.

Yes to wipes for hands and face here, though only tended to use on face since weaning started, and only when I can't be bothered to use damp muslin.

I've only been using a very mild ultra sensitive boots own bath lotion, just squeezing a bit in the water, but we lathered some on her hair the other night and it came up all fluffy and gorgeous whereas usually it looks a bit, well, greasy!

We're off to the CO for Poppy soon. I've now got an NHS referral for a physio for me so I won't be seeing him for me for much longer.

I use an all natural baby bath for Q and I bathe him every night at the same time, before bed. I wash his hair with the baby bath/shampoo. I use my finger tips to gently massage it into his scalp (delicately of course). He's never had cradle cap. On a few ocassions he has had a tiny bit of a dry scalp, but I just put a fingertip sized portion of baby oil on the dry part over night, then rinsed it off in the morning and the dryness was gone. I think I'm lucky to not have gotten cradle cap (touch wood). But I feel like my routine of hair washing every night keeps it away (I realize this is likely wrong). Q has very sensitive skin so I don't use anything with any fragrances or harmful chemicals on him.
He gets a horrid rash if I use nappy wipes on his face and hands, so I usually use those cotton wool pads that you can buy in a stack soaked in some warm water. I think it's totally cool how they still smell like a baby no matter what you do!

HI all,

HMM i think you'll find both csws and I nagged you about DF so that counts as 'we'!!

I have just started ginving Joe lactulose as his poos are really dry and crumbly and he strains for ages to get them out. I have tried everything including pureeing mountains of prunes to no avail. I know lactulose has got dairy in it but i'd rather he was a bit more sick for a while than in so much pain. However, are there any pooing potions without lactose in?? Maybe i should ring gp again to find out(3rd time in one week - he might think i've got munchausen's/neurosis)??

CSWS - i didn't think you could give protein (meat)to babies under 6 months?? I have been putting off introducing Joe to lentils etc until he's 7 months (only 2 weeks away!!) Joe loves his food and can polish off a while avocado and a banana in one short sitting - that's my boy

Just booked our holiday to Centreparcs yesterday so i'm very excited. Managed to get both kids into creche for one morning to dh and i might have some time together .

Didn't do much yesterday as dh working so had kids to myself and i had to go to buy a new microwave as ourspacked up on Saturday - how glamourous. Town was full of dads pushing buggies, no doubt their wives/girlfreinds were having a nice lie in

that should say a 'whole' avocado.....

I bath William about three times a week. Due to his big sisters excema, he gets to bath in just plain water with them. Although DD1 is getting really too big to be in the bath at teh same time as DD2 & W. I use Little me Organics. i think itwas on offer in Sainsbury as we seem to have about four bottles still in the cupboard

Hi all
I wrote a really long post this morning and my computer lost connection with the net!
Doh!
basically telling you about my crap weekend!
My dad was awful to me, he can be at times. Hw told me (in front of my mum, sis and my children) that I should have been 6foot under a long time ago and to commit suicide. He told me I knew nothing and that I did not work. i said I was on mat leave and do work 2 days a week normally and he said that was nothing and not at all work! I work in Occupational therapy with mental health patients and we were discussing him and how he is going to see a counseller with mum as he is supposed to me deppressed etc. He said talking does not work and exercise and holiday is the way to go about it. actually he has always been shit like that and exercises every day and its made no difference. I am fed up with it and dont wish to be spoken to like that. He just did not want to admit that he has a problem and that I know something about it. He thinks I am thick and he is better then everyone else. I was so upset, especially being told I do nothing and to commit suicide...thanks Dad! No fathers day this year as that ruined my mothers day!
Not sure if I ever really want to talk to him again!

DH never bothered much with mothers day, got some flowers after afew prompts! No card,. he said its in the van great use there

I flooded the house fri eve as shower head was not off properly so our living room had massive leak, we did need a new ceiling but now have had to have one! DH said that was my mothers day pressie

Anyway, dont want to bore you all anymore! Sorry about the spelling mistakes, writing quickly in case internet pops off again!!!

Yeh it worked!!!

star glad you got a nice mothers day in the end. You are a fab mum.

myjob when was the swimming? Have you been?

csws your DS seems to be doing well with the weaning. I must start a proper routine. So is it Milk, breakfast, milk lunch, milk, tea, milk, bed???

ALso forgot to say something funny my dad said! My sis has just split up with her 2nd girlfriend. She has been gay for very long time and finsihed with her first girlfriend last year after a very long relationship. Anyway my dad said "oh I hear you have split up with your girlfriend" and my sis said "yes 4 weeks ago" (he did know just never said anything to her before) then he said "I suppose you will be liking men now tthen"!!! Doh, yeh dad cause when you get dumped you want to change your preference!!!!!!

& & again Jenwa! That's terrible! I thought my Dad was rubbish and insensitive. What the hell was he thinking? What did he want to acheive, other than upset you? What does your mum say? I saw your status up-date on facebook but didn't want to ask. I would have told me Dad to get out of my house if he spoke to me like that. In fact I did tell him to leave last Easter when he was rude to me. You must be so angry and upset. Are you close to your mum?

Yeah I saw the FB status too Jenwa but didn't know what to say. That's just horrendous, in front of your kids too. I know depression can lead you to say things you don't mean but in front of the kids is unforgivable IMO.

I apologise Loulou, of course you nagged me too.

Hey there
It was in his house but still! He is often like that. To be honest I dont think it is depression, I am not saying he does not have it but it is more schizophrenia and agression! He can be lovely one minute, giving me money and telling me he will help us (when Dh job went into administration) then nasty the next.
I am close to my mum and it does upset her. He has always been like it though, was awful living at home when younger, he shouted for us making mess, sitting at the dinner table without shoes on, not putting our things away, not tidying etc. He said we had an easy life and he never yet he made sure we never did yet still complained about us! We always had to help with the chores but he never thanked us yet he can be a lazy arse! All my friends used to think he was great and people who dont know him do yet I know the truth and so do my friends now.
He was treated bad as a child but I think he should be the opposite to us and actually be nice. I think he trys at time then is nasty again. He was nice to me when they had their dog put down, he said it puts things in to perspective yet I think as much as I love animals and have a dog myself it would not take having my dog being out down to be nice to people!
My mum could do so much better and me and my sister have told her that but she loves him.
I only found out afew years ago that he used to hit her at times too what a wanker! (sorry about my language) Dont think he knows I know that but would be worried incase he found out and did it again!
Sorry I am ranting again!
Just want a normal family. WOuld I be right to not have anything to do with him? I am fed up now, 33 years I have put up with it and now I am thinking enough is enough but dont want to upset my mum!
aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

But surely your mum must understand how you feel. You can still see your mum, but I agree with you, you're an adult now and you have the choice as to whether you see him. Plus you have your daughters to consider, they shouldn't be subjected to him being so cruel to their mummy. Talk to your mum, explain how you feel and that you don't want to see him anymore. You need to think of yourself and your family.

I'm not weaning anymore. M is going to have to be breastfed until she is potty trained. She had a nice mix of vegetables yesterday and some banana & apple later on. Today she had some baby cereal and some carrots for lunch. She's been interested today so we have been much more successful. M was making some terrible smells and crying so I thought she was constipated. But no, that certainly was NOT the problem! Seems doing proper poos upsets M. Oh dear, it must be strange though.....

Jenwa - i'm so sorry your dad said those things to you - how horrible of him. I have to say he does sound like he has an agitated sort of depression (angry, dissatisfied, humiliating others etc) but also sounds like he's angry about his own crap childhood and thinks he's been unfairly treated and has never dealt with this. People like this find it hard to watch others to enjoy their perceived cushy childhood/life (in comparison to his poor one) and often try to bring them down, shame and humiliate them. These people often take their anger out on those they love as it's 'safer' - there friends and neighbours just wouldn't put up with it but their family does. Its infuriating for the family as outsiders often see the angry person as great fun, etc whereas behind closed doors they are horrible. Sounds like he does need counselling or psychology but i doubt if he'll be ablke to make much use of it as he still sees himself as a victim and will be busy blaming others. Until he can acknowledge that yes, he has been unfairly treated in childhood/life and taht wasn't fair on him but he is now choosing to perpetuate that with his loved ones and that is not fair on them, he won't get very far.

I personally think its time someone told your dad that his behaviour is unacceptable (if he were my patient, i would find it hard not to tell him straight tbh). I guess your mum can't do this as she has to live with him and doesn't want provoke him. If i were you, I might write him a letter having first told your mum what you are going to do. Tell her she's welcome to come and see you and your family at your house but not with dad and you won't be visitng their home again. Have been here with my step-dad and had to lay down the law for a while to show him and my mum that i would only be pushed so far, particularly where my children are concerned. They have to treat me with some respect or they don't seem me or the children - it worked for me, i think they are both a bit frightened of me now!!

Good luck and sorry for the very long ramble!!!

Sounds like a good strategy Loulou.

loulou wow, fab, thats helful. i did think about a letter. If I speak to his face he just nods but I know he is not really listening and waiting for his turn to tell me what he thinks. he had couselling in the past and got worse as he did not like talking about his past in front of someone and does not like taking down the walls he has put up around himself. He is a very difficult man and very hard to live with.

mm yes, I dont want my DD's subjected to it. dd1 already is a little scared of him. He says silly things to her and cant do child play at all. He even shouts at her when he does not want her to do something even if I have already told her "no". It breaks my heart when he does this as I see the fear in her that I had when I was little.

loulou you are soo right about him being a victim though. He is always the one to talk about his problems and thinks everyone else is wrong. He cant understand the way of the world now and the times we live in and cant adapt to it either.
he makes people speak to him even if they are people we have never really got on with, he always wants to get a reaction.
Sorry Loulou what job do you do? Just you said "if he were my patient". Are you in MH?
My mum has talked to him many a time and threatened to leave but I think he knows she wont as she met him and married him 6 months later and came to England. She is from Holland so no family here. She just wants to be happy and have a happy family life but to be honest she would be better with someone who deserves her. She does so much for him.
I will try to write a letter and maybe show mum first. I think she would prefer me to do that to be honest.

Thanks for your kind words though. Have felt utterly miserable this weekend!

MM Phoebe had a real stinker today, I almost heaved and i never noramlly do that with poo!

Gosh sorry my spelling is bad, tired and had a glass of wine and typing far too quick!

I think we forgive you Jenwa.

Thank you
Will go back to my wine and then off to bed early, I am shattered.

Cheers

Oh Jenwa, that is rubbish. Have you tried to not go round for a while or is that what you are already doing?
My dad can be a bit like that but not as obviously nasty. He had a crap childhood. No excuse in my book. I have had to distance myself. I have told both my parents off for fighting in front of Dc. The day I had W they came round, eventually, that night. They were fighting as they walked in the door. I told them if they didnt stop they had to leave. Should have seen my dads face.
What I am trying to say is maybe if you show him you are not willing to be spoken to like that he may think twice before he opens his mouth.. Sorry if this is something you have already tried.

HMM, hang in there. You may not think it at the moment but it is early days. Your body took nearly ten months to grow your baby, it needs at least a year to recover. You will get back to normal, it maight be a slightly different normal but it will all be ok.

I had to get up and make my own tea & toast on mothers day. I didnt get a card from William but then DH is SHITE at anything which he thinks is commercial crap. That includes Xmas. Always fun in our house. He is a miserable git sometimes.

Jenwa - yes i am in MH but also had personal experience of slightly crappy parents too - maybe that's why i went in to MH!! I'm not usually prone to giving advice but i so felt for you, i couldn't help myself - ignore me or tell me to shut up if you want. I think i'm missing work being on mat leave!!!

A few more words of advice (DO tell me to shut up if you want) You do have to word your letter carefully as you don't want it to be too angry or emotive as he won't read it properly, get defensive and then blame you. Its a good idea to show your mum as long as you feel she can see it from you point of view not her own (my monther was so scared for me to write to step-dad that she tried everything got dissuade me). Sentences such as 'i felt X when you said Y' can't be misinterpreted as they are your feelings. You are not having a go about what he said just stating how it made you feel. I would also acknowledge how unfair his childhood was and how he deserved better, all children deserve a decent childhood but he didn't get one and that was not right. A bit of empathy for him (even throug gritted teeth will go a long way in getting him to acknowledge what he's done/doing) However, its also important to state that he mustn't let it rule his children or his life now, he's no longer a victim. I might also say what i want from him as a dad, ie to be respected, listened to, loved, praised etc as you want/do provide for your children. If he can not guarantee to offer you this, then i would write that it makes you sad but it means that you might be better off not seeing him for a while until he is able to offer those things to you...hope this helps. I would write the letter, even if you don't send it. I sometimes suggest that people write a letter to whoever and then post it to themselves. It sounds weird but when you read it again a few days later with a calmer head, you might see it through their eyes and see how they might read it iyswim.

Sleep well and hope the wine helped

Very wise words Loulou. My dad upset me a few weeks ago, he suffers from depression and sometimes doesn't realise what he says. I wrote a long email to him then didn't send it, I decided to sleep on it. Within the hour I had an apology text telling me I was a great mum. Still brings tears to my eyes now