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fourlittlefeet · 01/03/2009 10:40

here we are; a bit early, but one more task done. tick

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tinkislittlemissshopping · 07/03/2009 09:19

morning

rray - dress is gorgeous on esme in facebook pic how much does she weigh?
bracken is really long too about 60cms

missjackson · 07/03/2009 09:30

Nye is in size 2 nappies and wearing some of his 3-6 month clothes, but only the mini-boden stuff, I think they come up small! He is such a 'boy' - when he feeds and gets near the end of my milk, he starts grunting in what can only be described as frustration! When it actually runs out he starts banging against my breast like a baby lamb does and I have to take him off - he's very demanding!

Any thoughts on giving one bottle of formula to top up the last feed at 11pm? I have been expressing 3oz every morning for this top-up but it takes ages and having only one breast at that morning feed leaves him hungry - he usually feeds from both. I don't want to affect my supply though. The extra really helps him sleep.

rrrayray · 07/03/2009 09:43

Tink Esme is 8lb 10 at last weigh in. She hasnt actually been measured yet, but she is ALL legs... her upper body is Dinky! Oh, and tink, for some reason i can't write on your facbeook wall, it just doesnt show up to me. i can only comment on your photos of the ever cute Bracken!!!

MissJ Thats HILLARIOUS imagery of Nye Grunting and head bashing your breast!!!! Esme is a really efficent feeder and is often over and done with her feed in less than 10 mins. At first i worried as everywhere i read said AT LEAST 20 mins feeding, but i spoke to midwife and HV and she is gaining perfectly, and goes well between feeds with PLENTY of wet and poo-ey naps, so i think i just have a guzzler! I don't know about the formula thing for me, as i'm lucky enough that my milk supply seems to be REALLY plentyful, and Esme only ever takes one Breast. I know friends who have given their baby formula top up at night, of the "hungry baby milk" ( it sure sounds like Nye is hungry!!!) and not only does it satisfy them, but it also helps them to sleep longer so they say? I guess its personal preference. Have you tried maybe expressing AFTER his last feed at night as well as in the morning, if you did that for a few days, surely your milk supply would up itself & you'd be able to express more, and quicker?? just a thought- afraid i'm no expert!

moosemama · 07/03/2009 12:08

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MissJ don't worry, you can't reduce your milk supply by expressing. Either putting Nye to the breast more frequently or expressing after/between feeds is the way to encourage your body to make more milk.

An empty breast is your body's signal to produce more. I would feed both sides in the morning as normal if thats what Nye needs, then you could either start by expressing whatever is left on the second side or if there's not much there, wait till about half way between normal feed times and express then. You might not get much the first few times, but if you do this consistently for a couple of days your milk supply will adjust and produce more.

So really its like you need to decide when you would like to express every day and sort of request milk from your body at that time every day for a few days until it gets the message.

Its really down to personal choice if you would like to top-up with formula. I know it works well for some people and can help you get a break if you don't feel happy with expressing. All that will happen is that your body will adjust to not make milk for that last feed, the same as if you are giving a bottle of EBM at that time.

Now we are getting into a better routine (if you can call it that), we give Elizabeth a 5oz bottle of EBM at 10/10.30 pm and I have to admit, I get a much more comfortable nights sleep now that I'm 'empty' when I go to bed. She was going 6 hours after a 4oz bottle up until about a week and a half ago, but then she started waking after 4 hours again so we upped it slowly to 5oz and she is back to sleeping 5 and half to 6.

Elizabeth doesn't do the headbutting thing, she bites - hard! If she thinks there is not enough there she just clamps down really hard and occasionally twists as well! I was told that babies will often clamp down to slow down a fast flow, but she only does it near the end of feeds, if the flow is too fast she just glugs and chokes but refuses to let go! She is also a pincher! She uses her little hands like a kitten or puppy to sort of massage as she feeds and her nails are sooo sharp but not long enough to trim yet. I have taken to giving her my finger or a bit of my top to hold instead as I was getting covered in scratches!

Ray Elizabeth only takes one side as well, so did both my boys. She is nearly always done within 15 minutes as well, with the majority of feeds being down to 10 now. She has finally started going 3 hourly in the day since we got organised in the mornings for the school run and I stopped letting her sleep late through her second feed time. (I am missing my extra doze in the morning though. Now I just seem to get up start going and not stop for hours on end.)

rrrayray · 07/03/2009 12:56

moose Esme Bites hard too, and Yanks her head away from my- but with Suction well and truly still on nipp so pulling it REALLY hard. ouuuccchhhy! I too have been scratches to pieces. Eventually i took the HV advice and nibbled her nails for her!

Had a bit of a spring clean this morning while missing has her lunchtime nap... she sleeps 12-2... so having finished my spring clean in an hour, i have an hour for me. Bliss!

missjackson · 07/03/2009 12:59

Thansk MM and rray - you know what, I think I didn't properly understand milk production until now - I thought the longer he could go between feeds, the longer my breasts would have to fill up again - now I understand, empty breasts = milk production! So I can sneak in some expressing sessions in between feeds and it will only help my supply, not deprive him...

So at that last late feed, 10-11pm, do you express the whole feed and give it all in a bottle, or do you breast feed and then top-up with bottle of EPM?

MM OUCH to twisting and clamping! Nye does the hand thing too, but more stroking than pinching, very sweet!

missjackson · 07/03/2009 13:00

x-posted with you ray - hour's cleaning sounds like heaven, never thought I would say that!

tinkislittlemissshopping · 07/03/2009 14:06

bracken is a guzzler 2 has her 3ozs in 10- mins she has such a suck on her.
saw nurse @ gu clinic to discuss implant and having it fitted on mon aft

EachPeachPearMum · 07/03/2009 17:34

Owww for all the bitey, clamping, twisting babies! DS doesn't do that thank goodness.
He takes 2 sides in the day, 1 side in the night... 10 mins or less to drain.
As to how much... well I expressed 1 side yesterday for the first time... took off 5 oz, and had to stop, as the bottle was full to the brim, he then fed for about 4 minutes... so I know where his 1lb per week is coming from!

fourlittlefeet · 07/03/2009 19:45

Evening. Checking in to bookmark, then off to read.

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stripeywoollenhat · 07/03/2009 20:22

well, catherine is apt to beat her little fist against my breast when she feels that it is insufficiently productive. this has actually been happening a bit too often, and she has only put on 120g at each of her last weekly weigh ins, which is pretty low, so i am a bit concerned that my supply is low. am going to have to do some expressing, i think.

moosemama · 07/03/2009 20:44

Sorry I didn't get back to you MissJ we were out collecting our new car (which feels like a bus compared to our little old Corolla Sports Coupe).

Had a bit of a scare on the way there as DDs breathing alarm went off. Fortunately I was sitting next to her car seat as DH had the radio on and what with the road noise as well I barely heard it. It was a false alarm thank goodness, but really shook me up as I've always had a thing about babies breathing becoming compromised in their car seats. The harness on the seatbelt had pushed the alarm sideways so it lost contact with her skin! Still felt like I should sit in the back on the way home though, but made myself get in the front as I don't want to let myself get paranoid about it.

Anyhoo, MissJ in answer to your question, I express 5oz from one side after her 7.30 am feed and DH gives this to her in a bottle between 10 and 11 pm so I can have a bath or get to bed early. Although I rarely get to bed early as I always feel guilty about leaving him up with DD and end up waiting for him or tidying the kitchen or something until he's finished feeding her.

missjackson · 07/03/2009 22:27

Thanks MM; that sounds like a great plan - am desperate for an early night now!

We had a fun day at the races today with some friends; Nye slept for 3 hours in the sling on his Daddy's chest, a too-long nap which we are paying for now (he's dozed on and off all evening but refuses to go to sleep properly!) but it was a lovely day even though we managed to bet on losers all day (but only a couple of pounds each race, last of the big spenders!)

When Nye has EBM from the bottle, he manages to suck down 4oz in approx 3 minutes!

rrrayray · 08/03/2009 09:17

MissJ Oh my goodness, 4Oz in 3 mins!!!! Thats madness! What kind of bottle are you using? As Esme was just totally over whelmed by a normal flow bottle, obviously they WORK for their milk from the breast so to have her mouth filled with milk was very confusing for her. We have a haberman feeder bottle now, its designed for special needs, but also is a great bottle if your continuing breast feeding too, as you can alternate the flow and they really still work for the milk.

the last week or so i've been really trying to time doing things and going places with her nap times. So on friday when i met some of the girls for lunch i left our house just as nap time was starting so she drifted off in the car (which she will do any time of day!) and then did her usual nap until 2pm, so i could eat my lunch and catch up with the girls before feeding her and playing with her once she woke. Although i did the silliest thing and TOTALLY forgot a Muslin SQ... Thank goodness a friend of mine jumped in with a Pashmina Scarf to cover myself.

Does anyone else find that the Disgusted looks at breastfeeding in public (when i say in public i mean VERY discreetly under a muslin, where you have to give a second glance to even realise there is a baby under there!) are ALWAYS from women?!? ...needless to say the look back from me is always one of Daggers

tink hope everything with implant goes well. Havent even thought of "bedroom activities" just yet, but i guess i'll go back on the pill - the one you can breastfeed with to start with.

Tree Hope your doing OK & had a nice weekend.

Its lovely & sunny here today. yesterday was OH's birthday and he has been away practically all week this week. got back late last night, so we're off for a nice lunch with his parents and sister in a bit. His parents have given him money for his birthday for us to go and have a family portrait done!!!... My idea( his presents always are- his mother always comes to me) i didn't really know what else to suggest! I bought us a trip (the 3 of us) to Disneyland paris for 3 days in June, in the lovely fairytale hotel. Exciting. i know Esme will still only be Dinky, but i'm sure she'll love the music and everything from the daily parade.

Right,Shower time, while Esme is napping. Oh... She is napping in her Cot in her nursery for the first time. She is So Tiny in there. We have one of those TeddyCal things in there, she look so cute snuggled up next to it!

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EachPeachPearMum · 08/03/2009 10:04

wow- 4oz in 3 minutes! impressive work

I have never had horrible looks when bf, and I'm not one for covering with a scarf/shawl.
It is quite lentil weavery where we are though.

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moosemama · 08/03/2009 11:02

I got a nasty comment of a Mum in town when I was giving DD a bottle of EBM! Seems you can't do right for doing wrong!

I usually take a bottle of EBM with me if I'm going to be out for a long time and can't guarantee I'll be able to find somewhere I am comfortable for discreet feeding. That way I get the best of both worlds and can stay out longer.

Am sat here feeling bruised. DH started the vacuum cleaner right in front of me while DD was sleepy feeding. She startled, her eyes went huge and she bit down hard and twisted refusing to let go! There was milk pouring out from the corner of her mouth and I couldn't get her to loosen her grip - ouchy ouch ouch ouch!

Right am sneaking off for a long peaceful bath. (Who am I kidding!)

missjackson · 08/03/2009 11:06

I think the 3 minutes must have been for less, because last night he took longer to have 4oz - still only about 6 minutes though! We are still using the 0+ avent teat so just one hole - he really must be a mega-sucker!

Haven't really had any looks while breastfeeding, but like dog says, maybe I am too thick-skinned to notice. What I do notice is the lovely amount of attention you get when people realise you have a tiny baby in the sling!

Was supposed to be having a 'duvet day' with LO today as OH is working, but so far he has pooed thru a babygro and the sheet on my bed, requiring total change - then put him in his cot, and yup, you guessed it, he pooed thru to that sheet too! So almost a load of laundry created in the space of an hour.... fun, fun, fun!

EachPeachPearMum · 08/03/2009 12:44

yes dog! But have you read the rest of the thread??? loads of people say they could!

MissJ- DH took DD out in the sling yesterday- and got lots of looks apparently (she is 3) - she loves it though- won't let DS in it!

laundry... yes- a very good excuse for me not to co-sleep (dd had reflux, and vommed after each feed) [sleep] She never gets out of her own bed... thank goodness.

missjackson · 08/03/2009 19:49

Quiet on here today... OH just had a bath with LO and got pooped on - now he's having to shower off - funny

Trying out the tots bots reusable nappies tonight - I think we'll just use them at night and see how it goes - he does such explosive poos at times that I am sure they will leak. Is anyone else using reusables?

rrrayray · 08/03/2009 20:14

Stressful day here!!! Esme has finally caught my Cold and earlier had a rattling cough, was wheazing, and struggling to breathe. eventually got so worried called Nhs direct who wanted us to go to out of hour Doctors asap. if she got worse before that, to call 999!!!!! Not what a mother wants to hear. In the end Doctor happy with her, just given her bath in a VERY steamy room (decongests apparently?) and raised one end of her moses basket matress a bit. She is asleep now, hoping she'll feel better tomorrow. Poor little Mite.

maybe i am being to concious of the looks at BF in public. But i too am the same if giving EBM - feel like saying " its breast milk"!!!!

missJ funny about OH getting poop-ed on! Esme hasnt had a bath with either of us yet... We both like it too hot... Maybe soon though!

Moose Ouch Ouch Ouch!!!

Does seem like there are only a few of us posting at the moment... Hope everyone else is well even if your not posting!!! Drop in and let us know how your doing! xxx

missjackson · 08/03/2009 20:49

Poor you ray, must have been scary to hear her struggling for breath, and poor little Esme. Hope she feels better tomorrow.

OH has hot bath first and when it gets cool enough, I bring Nye in - he only has 5 minutes really, but they have fun together!

LenniEd · 08/03/2009 21:21

Still sneaking in when get a chance on the laptop, hopefully DH's work computer will be fixed this week. Only read last few posts and a couple of earlier ones.

Sounds scary ray - glad all ok.

MM - glad you trust teacher now. Does sound like school has let you down. Will post more tomorrow but try not to feel that you could/should do more for them, they will learn from you even if it isn't what we think of as schoolwork.

I use reusables pretty much full time on my two MissJ. Never had any leaks like the awful up the back ones you get with disposables, prob cos resuables tend to be elasticated across the back so the elastic waistband holds in the poo! Overnight you may need to fold the loose bit of the tots bots forwards on itself to boost the front of the nappy, as boys tend to saturate that part otherwise. I have DS in a Motherease with a bamboo booseter and fleece liner overnight. I don't change him between 10pm and 6am anymore unless he's pooed and no leaks as yet.

Catch up on rest tomorrow.

Night all

moosemama · 08/03/2009 21:26

ray poor little Esme. Hope she is better really soon. She will benefit from the antibodies you have developed to the cold through your breastmilk so hopefully will fight it off quickly.

Elizabeth still has her cold, although fortunately she is not too bad in the day - just really cranky, which isn't like her at all. She's really restless at night though snoring/snuffling very loudly and getting stressed at not being able to breathe properly. She is already sleeping on a crib wedge and has a side sleep positioner, which is great when she first goes down but then she tries to turn onto her back and gets really cross because she can't and starts yelling.

By the way, I am now sporting a nasty purple bruise from the vacumming whilst feeding incident!

Oh ... and our tumble drier has decided do go on the fritz and stop drying - it tumbles it just doesn't dry! I know I should try and be greener and manage without, but instead I freaked out, googled it and promptly ordered a new thermostat! I am now sat surrounded by wet school uniforms on every radiator because I left them to wash until this morning due to a washing backlog!