July 2008 - Food Glorious Food - babies who lunch

[Isaidno]

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Another bad night here or is it just going to be a normal night? she finally went off to sleep at 10pm, still very snotty today and her gums still raw

I have to admit I am quite soft before a year, if she wakes for milk she gets milk, I don't think it's necessarily hunger but more comfort with a nice little drink thrown in. There was some research done a while back that indicated some babies need milk in the night up to a year and it is normal for babies to wake a few times a night and if you get one that sleeps through thats actually abnormal. If you think about it theres a whole market out there trying to get babies to sleep more, if they were all supposed to sleep through then there wouldn't be a vast number of books teaching them to if that makes sense? Doesn't help you when theres a little person going dadadada at you at 4am and you are in tears with tiredness though.

DD2 still driving me mad, today something set her off at nursery so she wouldn't leave, screaming down the hallway, if I tried to take her hand she did the classic dead weight fall down trick the nursery head came and asked if I wanted her to carry her to the car, I said no but had to take B and DD1 put them in car them bodily carry DD2 kicking and screaming across the car park. I think I must be known as that mad woman with the 3 DDs who cannot cope with them!

Anyway sorry about the "me" post

Jodie - hope you do get a good night tonight and wow at the number of teeth your LO has

pigley - treasure those morning lie ins with your baby, by the time number 2 comes along you won't get any, I used to love them. So sorry to hear anout your uncle too

disney - I cannot remember where sweetkitty came from it was my nn on another site had it for 6 years or so now, will post a link to DPs page soon, I will sponsor you and Jodie promise am pretty poor right now due to ebay habit, will do it once I get paid. Toys that have been a hit here, the best value for money has been the ELC wondercubes a bit like stacking cups but great to bang and make noise, on third baby now and still loved. Rattles an chunky keys also good. She has a crawl after Winnie the Pooh and a Bouncing Tigger but think they scare her.

bebejones - hope your sister has had her baby by now, lovely wee playmate for P too

Hi girls, thanks for the thoughts and support. We both feel it would be exciting but are happy here too. We're going to go up to Glasgow for a few days at the end of march just with Ed and leave the girls with grandparents. So we can see if it feels right! Hubby is a lecturer, in answer to whoever asked.

SK, are you on citalopram? I was told by a psychiatrist that sertraline is the 'safe' antidepressant for breastfeeding, so you could always go back to your GP and ask to be changed if you want. and the low dose will not work very fast (usual dose is 20mg at least). Can you ask your HV about counselling too, she mght have access to it.

About sleep, Ed is still waking at 12 and sometimes 4ish, and then somtimes can sleep through. I think I'm more soft on him than I was on the girls, we left the girls to cry more than we do Ed. He's my little boy!! (and my last!). Cass

RED/DISNEY - thanks for the nice comments. Sorry to hear about your lack of sleep - me too - I was up form 1.50am until 3.30 am with my wee chappie. Sent him off to nursery with his calpol today - not sure if is just a cold or we might actually be getting a tooth at long last! RED - you can buy neroli in Holland and Barrett or I like

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It is great for everything and free delivery. Your Dot Cotton made me laugh - I always think no-one in Albert square has a machine at home. They used to be the nexus of the village didn't they? remember the Levi ad' - Mick someone wasn't it - very easy on the eye - LOL
I got the mumsnet toddlers guide today - Amber has been awful the past month but has been better the last 2 days but any advice is helpful

PUDDING - can I be your friend? I LOVE LOVE LOVE puddings! Bakewell tart, lemon merangue (chewy though) pie, hot choc fudge cake, rum babas (very hard to find these days). My Mum was a chef too.

MUMMY - I use the hariborange supplements - not sure if they contain peanut oil though - I'll check when I get a min and let you know. Glad you are feeling better.

I got Calvin weighed yesterday and he weighs 20lb6ozs - I was a bit surprised as he hasn't been weighed since November and I though he would have out more than that on - suppose he has been quite poorly though. Couldn't get him measured though as HV had gone off with the chart thing. His feet are nearly at the bottom of his 12-18 month babygrows from next though.

BEBE - your poor SIL - fingers x bubba has arrived by now and at shitty treatment - give her a big hug from all of us and a squishy cuddle for newbie. I quite like painting too - not that good though but quite fancied the ladies night at the local ceramic experience - the teapots and huge bowls would be good - you can take a bottle of vino too I used to love working with potters clay when I was at school - I toyed with the idea of art shcool but realised I wasn't good enough. I think I will be one of those mad old batty ladies who paints for fun and 'exhibits' their work in the locality with the local art group - LOL.

POLEDRA - hope you are feeling better soon - it's horrible and your tum hurts afterwards - get yourself some probiotics - acidophilus lactibacillus - to restablish your gut flora.

JODIE - how is your training going? You are brave doing that - did you run before? When do you start the new job? How is your PFB getting on with his glasses?

SK - been to Saltcoats lately? Is your friend settling in? Do a google for 5htp and see what you think.

Can I ask you all where you have invested your child voucher? I had alook at Martin lewis's site and he recommended the Children's Mutual? I have Ambers with Britannia as they had fixed rate interest for 4 years but things are so mad now you just don't know where to put it fo the best outcome!

Sleep tight through the night littlies.

xxx

Rumpel - we've got our ctf with the halifax.
cass - I am def softer with Poppy because she is my last baby. I didn't enjoy ds1 too much because I was too worried about milestones, getting to the next stage, doing it all right etc. I was also lonely because it was hard being a sahm and losing my worklife and also losing my evening social life. I barely remember ds2 as a baby as ds1 was only 18 mths and it was all a blur. So this time I am enjoying it, relaxing, and not rushing anything.

minipink - I think you were saying your dd's feet were teeny; Poppy's too - she's about a cm away from size 2, so no shoes here for ages. I know they don't need shoes until they are walking properly, but they are cute. I've got some of those soft leather ones, but they are huge still.

Rumpel- we have ours with the Childs Mutual. DH is very money savy and did alot of research on them.

Abigail was weighed today too and is now 16lbs 10ozs.

Cass- The trip to Glasgow sounds a good idea. Be able to get a fel for the place and see what kinda houses you can get for your money.

SK- I too am feeling so disheartened by Abigails sleeping. It just feels like shes never going to sleep through.
She has gone to bed tonight taking hardly any milk so guessing we are in for another bad night

Childrens Mutual with dd2. actually you've reminded me to do it soon!!

Question? Anyone using the next stage baby car seat?? the front facing ones? We're still using the first rear facing one but it stays in the car, too heavy to carry it and Ed now! The advice is 9 months or 9kg/20 lbs, which I'm sure Ed is, although he's not yet 8 months. he's looking a bit big in the first car seat though!!

cass we were using the maxi cabrio stage 1 and have just bought last week maxi cabrio stage 2 its great i like this one as it has huge padded sides,and is so padded and comfy for him,got extra side protection as well.
much much better for samuel he can move a bit plus great toys we can put on the front or he usually watches tv in the car....

hes got a terrible chest again,im always worried when he gets one as hes so vulnerable he needed some oxygen yesterday and i thought we left that behind but he was gettin so stressed trying to breathe.roll on the summer i say the warmer it gets less chance of chest infection.its horrible to watch him struggle were at the hospital on the 16th and 17th march at the radcliffe its the start of the whole precedures,
im still in denial at the whole thing only way i can cope,i cannot accept samuels life in soon in the hands of others,and its not 100% success rate,see my throat is restricted now cant breathe at the thought.best to ignore its happeneing for now i think
on subject of ctf i still havnt got his CB im so annoyed at this i sent it of months ago i rang monday and still processing they said what can i do they are really taking the p* now.

I'm thinking of moving Poppy to the next car seat. The guidelines are 20lb and 9 mths. Poppy is nearly 17lb and 8 and a half months, and while she is not too big for the stage 1 she is always straining to sit up more than it will allow. I think if I wait for her to be 20lb she will be nearly a year old.
I think I will move her in a couple of weeks, because she is beginning to complain about car journeys in the little seat. Sod the guidelines (they are only guidelines after all!!) Her head control is fine, and she is strong enough to be more upright.

Sorry to hear Sam is poorly again Disney. My ds2 has slapped cheek virus I think, it's rife at school and nursery around here. He's not poorly with it though, just means I can't send him to preschool.

Re: the car seats, the guidelines now are keep them in rear facing as long as you can, in some countries they are rear facing until about age 4 (don't know how that works) it's their neck, before 9 months or so their neck muscles aren't strong enough to withstand a crash, rear facing protects them so much better. I am trying to get to a year with Bethany's seat although her legs are already hanging off the bottom of it, although she is nowhere near 9kg she is long. DD1 was in her rear facing until over a year but DD2 who was a pudding was about 10 months.

There's loads of stuff on MN about rear facing seats and safety.

In saying that DD1 is 4 1/2 and still not 15kg which is the weight for a booster seat but she is in one as she is too tall for the Stage 1, I am hoping to keep B rear facing until DD2 can go in a high back booster as well so I can have 2 high back boosters and one Stage 1 in the back, still a squeeze though.

Disney - sorry to hear Sam is poorly again and your DD2 Isaidno, I hate them being ill at all.

Better night here last night she was only up at 3am and 5.30am fed and straight back, hopefully she is getting a wee bit better.

Disney - sorry to hear about his pooorly chest again. It must be so hard for you.

Pigley - i have the same feeling about sleeping through, I just think the whole thing will seem a bit easier if i could just get a full night sleep.

Re:car seat, thinking of moving max onto next one but holding out for all the reasons sweetkitty said. He is 19lb and only a month of 9 mths so not long to wait. He is so long his feet hang off the end too, keep panicking htat when i put seat on base i'll squash his feet!

Max cried and cried at nursery yesterday only left him for a bit just to pop to the loo and pop in office to see boss and when i went bach he was hysterical. I know he will settle, i know its just his way of telling them he wants his mummy but its so hard. Sobbed all the way to my mums. Dropping him off again tomorrow.

Disney- Sorry to her that Samas abit poorly again. Hope he gets better soon

SK- Glad you had a better night.

Abigail had a bad night went to bed with 3ozs in her. Woke at 11 and refused her milk but got her back off. Woke again at 1.30, refused milk, woke again at 3 and DH managed to get about 4 ozs down her. Woke again at 6 refused milk and went back off. Woke at 7 so DH brought into bed with me again refusing milk. Eventually fed about 4.5 ozs at 7.45am then went back to sleep in our bed. Shes still there now!!
In some ways its good that shes going back off and not having milk as it gives me hope that she might go through one night! but not drinking is sooo frustrating-especially when you wake yourself up geting the bottle ready in the middle of the night! And the waking every few hours is very tiring.

DH questioned what I did this morning when feeding her as if, asking if I make it warm enough ect... Felt really pissed off as if he thinks I dont know what im doing! I feed her all day- every day!
She refused milk for him this morning too, so feel better that he doesnt think its just me!

Anyway I best wake her up now! We really need to pop into town!

pigley - so sound a bit down, try not to fret I know how hard nad knackering it is but there will come a time when either Abigail will start sleeping through on her own or you will decide to do some sort of sleep training but it will happen.

Have you thought she just might not be hungry? What I mean is that babies (and adults) go through sleep cycles so when you come to the end of one you go into a very light sleep, now adults and most children will wake briefly and go back to sleep we don't even know it's happened but with babies they wake up and think "where's Mum?" cue crying, now some go back to sleep themselves others need a bit of help. With Bethany she wakes and roots for boob, when she finds it she sometimes sucks for a few minutes then goes back to sleep, I don't think she is even having much milk it's more I'm awake oh theres boob and Mum I'm comforted I will go back to sleep again, all's well. Does that make sense? I think she is just waking and looking for comfort rather than being hungry.

I got into an awful state trying to get DD2 to sleep through, read a whole load of books, tried No Cry Sleep Solution for a while but it wasn't until a year when I went on boob strike that she slept through. I'm trying to get to a year with Bethany too but agree it's so hard when you are up every few hours.

Maybe you could try not feeding between the core hours of 11 and 6am just shhing and patting?

I don't know as you can tell I am not great at getting babies to sleep so you can tell me to go away

pigley not trying to tell you what to do hun but i would of had her up at morning time regardless of how she slept in the night,its really important (as long as they are not ill)to keep structure
eg breakfast at morning time etc....
so a natural sleep in needed at sleepy bedtime.
sorry if you think ive been rude there,but just trying to help.
2 of my boys often decide to wake early like 5am one is 8 yrs old
well come 6pm hes shattered and i make him stay up till 7pm on purpose as if i relented and said ok hun you go up your tired hes get up at 5am again.
all of mine go to bed at 7pm on the dot no fuss just wash bed sleep lights out,many children dont and drive there parents nuts....
this is an important age for building there patterns to come IYKWIM
i feel quite bossy and rude now and honestly dont mean to be....
shes got a lovely mummy though getting warm milk in the night,
im a meanie he gets it cold in the night im way too tired to go down and warm it up and lazy....
he does get it warm in the day though

Just a v quick post will do more later! SIL had a boy (we did know but they don't always get it right do they!!) Joshua John, 8lbs 1oz, he has lots of black hair apparently. Was a c section in the end so I know she will be disappointed but she is only diddy (5ft 1) so think he was too big for her, hospital were crap by all accounts. Can't wait to go see him!!!

Re car seats, i was worried about P's feet dangling over the edge, but had been told not to change seat til 9 months & she isn't 7 months til next week! Apparently it's not the feet that are the problem its if their heads are too high up that's when to change. Or at least that's what we were told! Like SK said the 9month guide is to ensure their neck muscles are strong enough. I'm sure I have seen seats that can be either rear or forward facing though that are 'next stage'...will investigate!!

Ahh Pigley, for you and your rubbish sleep. But I tend to agree with SK and Disney, it's a really important time to sart building patterns now, and as tempting as it is to keep her sleeping I would start setting some sort of 'routine' no matter how relaxed it is, DS1 sounds like Disneys DS, if he wakes at 5am, he's so grumpy by 5pm, but if he goes to sleep then he'll be awake at 5am the next day, and so the cycle continues.

Don't get stressed that she doesn't want milk, as SK says she's just not hungry, and she's probably getting stressed coz your getting stressed (kids can pick up an emotions very quickly as I;m sure you are aware!) DS1 was a bugger for all this and it's all coming back to me (see previous post(yesterday?) that I 'wrote' to Mummywannabe)

I know all this probably looks like common sense now, but in the middle of the night it all goes out the window!

disney Hope Sam feels better soon

Bebe Come and tell us about your new neice/nephew!!! I saw your comment on FB! Yeah.

As for car seats, I need to buy one, but have no money ATM, so he's staying where he is. There is no deperate rush for it though, Sam is such a little dot, haven't had him weighed for ages, but my guess is about 15lbs.

X posts Bebe, congratulations xxx

Congratulations auntBebejones, he will seem like a tiddler compared to P now

Jodie - pity you don't live closer to me I have a Britax Stage 1 car seat up the loft. DD1 and 2 used to be in them until DD1 got her booster seat. It's not like I can post it off to you or I would!

Bless you SK, thanks alot for the sentiment!

Hi everyone,
Thanks for all your advice. I did think about her routine this morning but to be honest I was too tired to care.- I know that sounds bad but YKWIM.

We went into town this morning and stopped for a feed - well should I say a few sucks. She then moaned so much I gave up on the shopping and came home. Tried giving her some milk in her Tommee tippee cup but it ended up on the tray or showering herself with it. Eventually managed to get about 1.5ozs down her.

SK-I said to DH this morning abut her not being hungry at night and it might lead to actually sleeping at nights, but now shes doing the same during the day

Disney- not rude... Helpful
she will still be going to bed at 8 as normal. Think Ill be joining her too!

Jodie- She does have a relaxed Routine during the day anyway.. She would of normally had a sleep at about 9ish if she was up at 6am. We did start having a set wake up time but when she got ill it went out the window and I got used to having lay ins! Lazy mummy!

Was meant to be going shopping for a new outfit to wear Horse racing on Saturday but ill have to go looking like a bag lady now! Im really hoping she perks up as the friends we are going with on sat are all childless and will just get moody if shes kicking off and i'll be getting very stressed!

just feel so crappy at the mo and such a shitty mummy!

Bebe- Congrats! Be nice for the Little ones to be close in age, Like my sisters LO and Abigail (8 weeks apart)

Re car seats- We have the next car seat in the loft ready. Its the Britax First class Si. My friend loved hers so we went on her recommendation. Its from birth so can use it when we are ready but it still needs to be rearward facing till about 9mths I think. Abiagils ok in the first car seat at the mo and like Cass It tends to stay in the car as shes too heavy in it now to go very far!

Ahh pigley

Firstly - You will not look like a sack of potatoes, you will look stunning, I've seen pics of you missus!!!

secondly Is Abigail eating her solids ok? Sam went through a stage of not drinking all his milk, but prefering something else insead, this passed after a couple of wseeks of perseverance!

thirdly I'm sorry if my last post came accross as harsh, I didn't mean that you let her lie in all the time Just giving you a heads up for the following days!

fourthly You are not a crappy mummy, at all and don't even think it, you do more with A than I do with O and S!!!! You even paint All she needs ATM is love and cuddles, along with the odd nappy change and some food, and I bet she gets all that in spades!!!!

ahhh pigley you are a fantastic mum ive seen your videos and the way you are with her and speak to her is amazing and truly wondefull,like jodie said you paint with her and one of the reasons she is so clever is down to one person you honey,
and when we go out for meals with childless couples im just myself if the boys are a bit noisy so what they have manners and theres no way i can stop samuel dadadad,ing it.,and gettin stroppy.
just a general question here to everyone
how often if ever do you get to go out with your partner alone
last time we went out for a meal i was 5mths pregnant alone that it
anyway off to make my rice for the curry now
we have themed dinner nights here tonight its indian night so they get to tase a bit of everything from several dishes.

Oh pigley - think Max and Abigail have been confering on how to worry their mummy!

Visit at nursery again tomorrow, so far i have cried 5 times today about it , doesn't help that he is chesty AGAIN! ARGGHHHHH! Will do my best 'everything is fine baby' smile tomorrow when i drop him off then go to my mum's and cry! On a positive note finally having my mop of hair cut tomorrow.

mummywannabee - (((((((hugs)))))) you know he will be fine

disney - DP and I got a rare afternoon out lsat month but apart from that probably about twice a year we get an afternoon to ourselves, not ideal but we don't really have babysitters

pigley - you feeling better tonight? You are so not a shitty Mummy, we all get down days where nothing goes right. Sounds like Abigail is just having an off milk day, I'm sure she will perk up and start guzzling again soon. I am the queen of no routine, with DD1 we just went with the flow, often I would feed her at 6ish then fall back asleep until gone 9am, she went to bed around 8ish too slept through the night and it was nothing I did or didn't do. Naptimes were when she wanted and often I would nap with her. I only get B up as I have to take the other two to nursery. Their baby days go so fast better just go with the flow.

sk i remember those days with my pfb
you get to all the special cuddle times thats you just cant do with 2 or more.
you dont have to get up at 7.30 or do anything at a certain time

you dont even realise its special till you have another LO and then you do,then its rush rush.

well i had a big shock tonight boys were gettin ready for bed and my son shouts up mum your mum is on the phone
well i have only spoken to my mum twice in 6 years.she said she never wanted nothing to do with me or my boys....
and out of the blue she rings i was taken aback.shes sorry and wants to be friends she wants to know my boys....im a bit worried though,i dont feel like i know her and i had a bit of a cry
now does anyone understand what im going to say
even though im 41 yeah im old...
i miss my mum and still need her sounds stupid like that doesnt it
ive never relied on anyone my whole life just me.
but deep down ive always wanted a mother...
can i belive shes changed i think i need to go slowly on this relationship.....
but apparantly shes been tracking my life on my FB see what were up to and looks at my pics.....well you never know time will tell

im so tired tonight here and sammy is still up and very much awake,my dh on his ps3 and sams lying on his lap....

about the no milk issue though last 2 days i havnt gave sam any milk in the day
breakfast weetabix made with formula
fruit /ricecakes
lunch sweet potato and carrots mashed kind of
then nap
inside of a jacket potato with cheese
banana custard made with formula
he drinks loads of water after each meal
now this is a typical meal plan although i change it
as ive offered no milk all day and he doesnt want it anyway just refuses i make it up by putting it in his meals
and little monkey drank a straight 9oz every day before bed now no fussing at all
now this works for him and me if he dont want it no point stressing over it
and hes still getting quite a bit.