Nov 2008 - sleepless nights and exploding poo, dear oh dear now what do we do??

[Dozymare]

Sorry that is soooo crap but we needed a new thread!!!!!

had to search to find it, because link failed, on old thread, but hey-ho, well done dozy, here we are.
Is it pn sleep deprivation that stopped us noticing that a new thread was required ?

HELP - M is being an absolute nightmare today - just keeps screaming which is so unlike him and won't nap at all but not hungry. He is tired as keeps falling asleep on me but when I put him down he screams?????? I am getting very frustrated.

Also - how do you know when the moses basket is too small for them??

choc I have stopped using the moses basket as Tiger flings her arms and wakes herself up.......she is 8lbs 10oz as of yesterday.....to be honest, neither of my boys liked the moses basket and she is very unsettled as well........

Ok re M - presume you have tried all the obvious signs - hungry/tired/over tired/wet/pooy.......no temperature?????

IS he a very sucky baby?? would a dreaded dummy help to settle him???

I checked his nappy and there was a big poo so I've changed it and then he's just had 2oz of expressed milk out of a bottle and now he is still crying but it sounds like he is fighting the sleep so I am going to leave him for a couple of mins. I am hosting my first NCT group get together this afternoon and really wanted a nap beforehand and to be in a happy mood but if M doesn't sleep at all I will struggle.

Is there a god of babies we can pray to??

Oh DM we have been using a dummy to settle him at night, and its worked the last 2 nights (just to settle but I take it out before he falls asleep), I really hate them and am scared they will impossible to remove in future but atm the short term gain is too irresistable. Aren't you worried about that for TL??

I used our moses basket, the one downstairs in the lounge, for months, with ds1.
Ds2 is prob nearly 10 lbs now. and he still fits lovely. there should still be plenty of room for M, choc.

maybe today is one of those days, when you can't put him down choc. carry him, or sling him, so long as he gets decent amount of sleep.
I wonder what is going on with him ?

Just book marking for the mo, back in a sec

choc, re dummies, no don't worry. plus occassional use. TL, M and my M are all learning to settle themselves, as I said to cricri on old thread.
This Skill, they will learn, through falling asleep, by themselves, on their own, a number of times, each day. so the odd use of a dummy, won't make any difference.
needs must.

Ah, sod it, it is christmas time, I want my christmassy name. I will just have to hope my nosey friend is no longer checking in on me, or that she never did and I did her an injustice. Either way, fairy is back!!

choc DD took a dummy from 4 weeks but by about 6-9 months the world and it's mother was none the wiser. We just started taking it away every time she was happy. A happy baby does not need a dummy, was my thinking by then. In the early days though, don't fret

OK - 10 mins and he's been down, if it stays like this then I know it was the nappy and a silly mummy which meant he wouldn't nap - which is FAR better than the unknown alternative!!

HA HA HA HA HO HO HO HO

TWINKLING

I was talking to Dozy about you.(ANd I just this minute e-mailed her, about your name).
when we met the other day. and I forgot who you had become, when you had to namechange.

Forgot new name. remmebered old. LOVED LOVED LOVED old name.

And I will NEVER EVER forget you twinkling. Or the miracle that you are even here. after the D&C. I will never forget that. EVER.

How are you ?

I'm back - silly me for attempting a nap, I swear my little man is psychic as the minute my head hit the pillow there was screaming. I won't be crazy enough to try that again!

hello

My older two used a dummy for a while and then kicked the habit by themselves. DS at about 6 weeks old and DD at a few months old.

DS2 is having none of it at the minute though.

We had a breakthrough perfect latch and feed earlier and last night was better too . He slept from 9.30 until 1 downstairs (but I didn't go to bed till 11) and then in the crib from 1.45 until 4.15. Nightmare after that though and after feeding was still awake and whinging at 6.15. He was making all the noises and motions of wanting to keep feeding, but then arching his back and fighting my boobs if I tried to latch him on, and over the knee winding wasn't working either. After holding him up in front of may face and shouting "what the hell is it that you want baby?" , I decided it was time for DH to have a go......he settled at 6.30 for another hour and a half.

He has now been sleeping most of the day.

We are getting there and I'm trying to get in the feeds based on the GF routines today to see if it helps through the night!

I think they do learn to settle themselves, but at this age they are far too young to do it. I would never put DS2 down awake at this age, or leave him to cry, but will put put him down when he is almost asleep. I think that teaches them that they can be on their own and settle and I think they build on it from there. It's worked so far with mine anyway.

But, this parenting thing is so personal; we all do what we need to do to get through it don't we? Different strokes for different folks and all that

rutho, my DS has only had three baths since he was born, and just gets topped and tailed (and armpitted and palmed cos they get really smelly) on a daily basis. But, he isn't very spitty-uppy though. DS1 was bathed every day though as he spent the first nine months spitting up all day every day.

Obs, good to hear you sounding more cheerful .

don't worry about snow Rutho....the whole of the country from the midlands up will be covered by tomorrow morning according to the forecast. severe weather warnings are out.....yipee.

I am trying to meet friends at 2 on the other side of town and Fin KNOWS this, I swear!

Agree with the sleepy settling, worked 3rd tme but I now have to wake him up to change him before we go out as I cannot change him at someone else's house because of his poor exploding botty.

Off for a sandwich to fortify me for the task ahead.

Chocorange, how do they DO that? Fin can also, bless him, tell when I am hungry - it reminds him that he hasn't fed for a couple of hours.

Sorry for gloomy post, will be all lovely in a bit. Need sunshine! And snow - oo, now that IS cheery! DH told me not to go out today in case me and the young'un get caught in a drift and have to eat each other. Pointed out that I am already feeding him as it is, and Fin is the one in more danger of being nibbled... Especially with post-bath olive oil on, yummy.

took a while to find you all.
we had dummy breakthrough last night a spare NUK one that we found in its packet worked and dd settled in dh arms rather than on boob- now we have to hunt out another.
Took dd to be weighed and she is doing well back to birthweight - ok 28 days late but doc is very happy and suggests trying to eliminate the bottle last thing at night .So yah boo sucks to MIL who last night on hearing dd cry said poor thing she is hungry as mums boobs are empty !!!!
coolcat if you think baby needs help with pooing - my mw suggested a cotton bud dipped in almnond oil or a bum cleansing cream gently rubbed at entrance to bum (not inserted !!!!!)can help.
drs wife Obs hope things getting better.
I am off to doc as have arthritic fingers and its really annoying me esp in mornings also can't get wedding ring back on !

Right, off to change pooey baby again (4th time today, it's a day of baby extremes, isn't it?).

Wish me luck. I am not getting either Fin or myself dressed to go out until I've done this bit!

Dozy, I love the thread title by the way

Happy birthday pinkali I remember being 30. I, like you, was terribly upset at 25, I saw it as half way to 50!! BUT when I turned 30 I felt I had really arrived at adulthood, I was the person I wanted to be, happy in my views and am able to stick to them - don't get me wrong, I haven't turned into a stubborn, argumentative 30 something, but I am no longer swayed by others and form my own opinions that I am happy with. 30 is great!!! I'll be 36 a week Friday, now that is frighteningly close to 40......

hi all.
Drs wife things will bet better - I was totally overwhelmed in the first week and little Cecily only wanted to party all night too. Things are definitely improving now we're 2 and a bit weeks in. So don't fret petal - we've all been there. I didn't manage to get on MN for ages so well done you!
Congrats Pinkali on reaching your 30th milestone! I think your 30's are heaps better than your 20's. You stop giving a sh*t what people think. Much better.

rutho loving your poo stories - was telling DH about Fin's catapulting poo into MIL's face - PMSL!! (If only I could teach Cecily to do that with my MIL? !!!
Glad you and vbabs had fun meeting up. It looks mighty cold in Sheffield today - hope you're all wrapped up!

Re. "lazy" feeding - If Mini-Monkey starts playing with my nips and sucking not latching, I take her off and distract her and if she starts screaming then try her again - it often helps with getting latched on when their mouths are wide open screaming!
lacks glad you had a better night of it.
We've had 3 successive reasonable nights - although I find when she wakes for her night-feed it takes me 2 hours to get her back to sleep. Normally a feed, then wind, then poo followed by nappy/outfit change depending on damage, then more food etc etc. But she always go off in the end and normally for 4 hours. I had to rouse her from her slumber this morning at 8am to feed her.

Re. dummies, I haven't used one, but I met with my NCT chums yesterday and half of them are using the NUK ones (which Chelsea & westminster hospital actually hand out to new mums on labour ward). One of the NCT girls is a child speech therapist, and she said as long as you stop using a dummy at one year old, it won't adversely affect a child's speech or development.

Hello to everyone else.
Hana I've probably missed this - but what is your little one's name? My brain is in tatters....

leaky - nookie!!!

drswife -

choc - thanks for the GF summary. I used the routine bit losely for DS and found it great but that was over 2 years ago so needed the recap.

pinkali - HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you got a nice present. Which at this point is probably a nice quiet room so you can sleep.

ruth - I had a lovely time meeting you and Fin. I must admit I was very nervous. I am the type of person that finds it hard to meet people for the first time but lord help you once I get in my comfort zone . Sorry to hear about your carpark troubles. I parked from the sounds of it where you did and found that 1 of the lifts said out of order but wasnt.

Yep I got DS 1st scaletrix (spelling ok?) and also him a cheap snowsuit from sports world across.

As far as I know will be meeting up with you ladies on Monday.

Also tell DH to get Fin bathed as it doesnt take long no matter how tired he is!

POST - Will post now as at the new link marker. Will try and get on and catch up on the new thread later and also add a post about my terrible night with Alyssa last night and DH came home looking like death. So me (also looking like death) had to get on with it on my own.

Not proper nookie vbab; more of a fumble on the sofa

After all the sleeplessness and stress and overwhelmingness (if that's actually a word!), here's a little something to make you all SMILE

Hi guys - if anyone has a Stokke cot can you check out my other post here please?

Thanks!

Leaky that is brilliant!!! so cute....

I've posted on your cot thread ChocO

great that you have ahd a few good nights Monkey; that little bit of sleep makes all the difference doesn't it?

sorry about your bad night vbab and whatever lurgy has befallen your household.