December 2006 - Terrible Two's here we come!

[Olihan]

Here we go. I thought the title was apt as ds2 has morhed into a stroppy little horror overnight. His favourite expression at the moment is 'I cwoss with you, I sceam at you AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH' .

Happy Birthday ToddlerJabber and ToddlerEli .

DD is poorly again. I swear every bug in the vicinity has some kind of magnetic attraction to her . She has a bit of a temp, headache and earache today. I need to buy shares in Calpol and Medised I think.

Aoa, hotel is a very good idea - go for a posh one so you can have a vvvv hot, deep bath!

Good luck, good luck, gooood luuuuck!!!!!!!!
Can't write it the way I was thinking it! All chirpy and tuneful

Wishing you and dd2 the very best of luck tomorrow! I know she (and you) will feel soooo much better after it's done. Just think of all the peaceful breathing and sleeping

Good luck from me too.

Can I sob on your shoulders for a moment? I'm just back from the doctor and he diagnosed ME just from my diary. I had been hoping that it was something else - something really tangible that a short course of meds might fix. I'm feeling really low, and I can't even think about ringing work to let them know that I'm going to be off for a while yet. [sob]

The doctor did say that he thought with my normally positive, 'suck it up'attitude I should recover quickly, but he did warn me that that might mean up to [gulp] 2 years. FFS. What's the matter with me? I'm normally so upbeat, persisently bloody cheerful. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH.

Sorry, ladies. As you were

Oh BP, I'm sorry Dont know much about it to be honest.

Eli - Hope today goes well.

BP - I'm sorry to hear that. You will get better though, just need to give yourself plenty of time. I remember GP telling me when that was one of the possible things wrong with me when I started having joint problems that the harder you try to 'get over it' the longer it will take. Has he referred you and given you idea of how long it will take to get seen? Is there any kind of healthcare type stuff with your job? You might be treated a lot quicker privately if you can get that through work.

Eli - am thinking of you, hope it is/has gone well.

just to say been thinking of Eli all day. Hope everything goes/went well.

Will read and catch up when I've had more than an hour sleep in a row. Off to start a night terrors and other nocturnal activity thread

Eli, hope today went as well as could be. Sending loads of speedy recovery vibes to you all.

Sorry for the outburst earlier on. My doctor is hugely supportive, and recognised very quickly that I was going to struggle with this diagnosis. I've got loads of info from him, but the most important is just to listen to my body, slow down and expect this to take as long as it takes. I haven't heard back from work yet (surprise surprise), so I don't know how they're taking it That's the bit that worries me most.

Been thinking of you lots today Eli, hope it's all gone ahead and she's out of theatre and perking up.....

BP, take care of yourself and try to do as you're told . I have no idea about ME but does it at least feel better to have a diagnosis? Try not to worry about work (easier said than done, I guess) What can they do though? Stamp their feet? Sulk? You're ill, it's out of your control and you can't go back until you are absolutely ready. Your girls need you to be well more than work does.

LenniEd, I won't need the pumps again, I've promised them to dsis when she has her dc2 but as she's not even ttc yet they won't be needed imminently so if you want them, feel free to use them for as long as you need.

AQ, anything we can help with? Or just 'listen' to?

Indith, remember 'this too shall pass' . Sympathy though, lack is sleep is dreadful. Is it Dd and ds?

I echo Oli's thoughts on the matter BP. I'm so sorry it's ME, think it will be very frustrating for both you and your family especially when you start improving healthwise. BP, be sure that you know we'll be here to listen to all your complaints and we will see you right through to the other side.

BP I'm so sorry Here's to looking after yourself, lots of TLC and a PMA to help a speedy recovery.

AQ please don't crumble. Rant/cry on here

Oli yes the both of them. Ds and sleep just seems to be going from bad to worse. Not sure if he isn't doing sleep walking type stuff as he "wakes" and points at things, asks to go to different rooms but there is no reason to any of it. He can be up for a couple of hours at a time. Usually when dd is asleep. DD had a couple of days/nights oof feeding frenzy then slept for 6 hours yest afternoon so fussed from around 2am.

Oh ffs. Since starting the post have put children to bed. Ds (currently snotty) is bloody well refusing to sleep. Dd thankfully is out for the count.

Medised, Indith? If he's snotty then it will unbung him and settle him to sleep. I have a vague recollection of ds1 being similar not long after dd was born. He was a bit younger than your ds but I suspected at the time that it was 'stress' over dd's arrival that was causing it. He used to do the same though, demand to go to different rooms, want the light on/off, want/not want a drink. It was so damn frustrating because all he actually wanted to do was go back to sleep but he couldn't. I'm sure it's to do with the upheaval of a new sibling. They're too young to really understand or verbalise what they're feeling (jealousy, resentment at not being the only one any more) but the turmoil of their feelings rumbles around inside them, I think, even if they appear to be accepting it all really well in the day. I'm sure ds1's phase didn't last long if that's any consolation .

He had medised at bedtime. He has recently had ibuprofen for good measure. He has now been chucked in his cot and is screaming his head off. Dd still asleep. Hope I get a good night from her

Agree with Oli, Indith. Someone on your other thread said night terrors (if it is that) are particularly bad when over-excited and I guess arrival of rival to parents' affection fits that bill. We had totally chaotic "sleeping" patterns for ages after DD2 was born. Vent on here. And remember it doesn't last forever. I know, I always say that

No news from Elibean & co yet. Speedy recovery vibes to DD2.

Hope you are ok AQ?

Sound's really great Jabber and right up your street, if I may say so .

Poor BP though I agree with Oli, again [sucking up emoticon], that it's better to have a dx surely and you will get better.

bp, I'm so sorry that you are dealing with this. I am also in the camp of "at least you have a diagnosis". I do so much better when I can grab onto something mentally iykwim. I don't know anything about ME but the tiredness type of thing sounds like dh. He has to be super careful not to overdo and to always get plenty of sleep. Life is good when that is in sync.

Indith, ds1 had lots of problems after ds2 arrived and iirc started having night terrors around that time. It was awful being jolted out of bed by the sound of him screaming like a banshee night after night.

AQ, I hope you're ok. Please rant away, I can't imagine keeping up with all that you have on your hands atm.

castles, you're right, this feels like the perfect direction for me. Maybe I'll even get ds1 sorted a little better I've been talking up the fact that he has to help me try out all of my new therapy toys.

eli, have been thinking of you and dd2 all day. I hope everything has gone well.

Just heard from Elibean. They are on their way home after the op. DD2 is OK and Eli will be on for an update when she can!

Yay! Good news.

Thanks Castles. Have been checking all morning - DS fed constantly since 7.30am ack so pretty much glued to the spot. I want my boob back please.

Thanks for posting that Castles, I know we're all eagerly awaiting news! i think eli said days 5-9 would be the worst? Do you have some therapy lined up yet, I know you said the new year and hope it might help.

Poor ds, indith and poor you, it's been going on for far too long hasn't it. FWIW, is there a sleep clinic attached to one of the children's centres up there, might be able to help you? I found it invaluable with ds1. Did dd sleep better? I guess she's not going to get the hang of day v night for a while yet unfortunately.

Lennied, how's it all going?

Got to go, am ill and dt's asleep hoping for a lie down myself.

Thanks for that, Castles - been on tenterhooks like everyone else.

Indith about your nights. Might terrors are so awful to witness, but they seem to have little effect on those having them IYKWIM. DD1 still has them occasionally, and I find that if I give her a dose of Calpol on the night following a bad night she sleeps well, but if I don't then she gets into a pattern of night time hysteria. Having typed all that I have no idea why I thought that might be of any use to you

And thank you everyone for your kind thoughts. It is better to have a diagnosis, and I am coming to terms with it. It's just going to take a while [wobbly ]

Oh thank you Castles, I kept checking this last night to see if there was any news .

Glad the op went well, Eli, we'll be counting down the days to a new normality for you....

Indith, how was your night in the end?

Jabber, the new venture sounds very exciting. I'd love to have such a goal even in the back of my mind, but to be actually on your way to achieving it must feel great.

Castles, when's your shrink appt? Good luck with it .

BP, have another ((hug)), give yourself time to come to terms fully with it, eh?

AQ, stop worrying about everyone else on here and offload some of your stress, please .

Gosh, I'm bossy today .

lol, you're not a teacher are you Oli?

Apparently they did quite a few things to Eli's DD2 and she's very sore poor wee thing but she will be fine of course ...

AQ & BP ((hugs))

Saw my shrink yesterday thanks for asking. God, I feel so American! It was emotional but hopefully there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully the journey there will be paid for by BUPA or I am well and truly f**ed

You are all lovely, and Castles thank you for passing on the loveliness via text

Only have a sec, dd2 glued to me and dd1 in need of attention too. She had bronchoscopy, they found her larynx was still floppy low down so cut two bands of cartilage as well as huge tonsil and adenoids out. It was scary, went on for ages, she was asleep in my arms (napping) when induced so that part was easy but waking up was horrendouso

Long, long night in HDU wafting oxygen under her nose to stop sats monitor bleeping, no sleep, and she's very sore. But doing ok, and we're home! She crying now, must go, lots love catch up soon xxx

Ds screamed himself to sleep in the end then was up around 3 for an hour of screaming. He has done a poo so no choice really but to pick him up for changing. Cue major tantrum screaming. Eventually stopped and dh read himm a story and he went to bed no probs.

The hardest thing is not being sure what is terror/asleep stuff and what is awake and playing silly buggers. A straight forward terror I can spot and deal with easily, the fussing and asking for things etc I just can't tell, sometimes seems like he is awake but the major screamingg and lack of rationality in his demands makes it seem like something terror/sleepwalking related.

HV coming tom for both dd and ds's 2 year check. She is pretty good so hopefully we'll have a good chat. If it seems that he is asleep we can work on knocking him out of the cycle and if not we can decide on an action plan and stick to it (I feel CC coming on ). Poor boy is so tired today, refused point blank to nap too.

DD slept 7-10.45 then waking every hour. She wakes and roots. Gets angry if I don't feed but also angry and frustrated if I do feed. She gets frustrated, windy and angry if fed more than every 3 hours (unless on a spurt) so I spend an hour or so awake and shushing her as she tries to wake up then an hour feeding and resettling before I get an hour of sleep!

It will pass. It will all pass.

Love to Eli and family.

Aq hope you have had some rest.

Castles glad your shrink went well.

DD has been all flowery today and even had pink nappy wrap. at AQ. Blue clothes well and truly relegated.

Eli - scary stuff but now she is home she will thrive

Indith - missed all this on night terrors. DD1 had them between about 2-2.5 and also played up big time going to bed. Summarise for me and I'll see if I have any pearls of wisdom.

Castles - glad counselling was good. Just saw your fb message

Have to go make dinner so cant stop.

Eli lovely to hear from you. Glad you are all home, and pleased they had a good 'sort out' with her whilst they could. Get well soon little Eli lets hope it is a very speedy recovery.

Oh Indith, how on earth are you coping, I would be losing my mind. As you say, and others say it will pass but glad you are talking to the HV tomorrow and think AQ's suggestion of the sleep clinic is a fab idea.

Glad you feel the counselling is going to be successful Castles, will cross my fingers for you with BUPA.

AQ - are you ok?

All fine here - had a bad night and DS fed all morning but PIL had DD this afternoon and DS has slept since 2.30pm so have had some rest... too wired to sleep but have had feet up and chocolate which is better than sleep in some ways ... at least I'll remember it! BF still going ok, got a bit sore the last couple of days and had a milk blister which has started to heal over now but BF counsellor been and thinks it is going very well considering he's only a week old and DS been weighed again and gained back his birthweight and a tiny bit extra so feel reassured that all ok. Some pics of him on my facebook profile (Thanks AoA ) - will add to group when get round to it.

Have messaged you Oli.