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Jan '07 part 29: ...Or should that be Due 2009? Who will be next? Shimmer/Trixy/Lizz...

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theSuburbanDryad · 25/12/2008 09:22

HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!

After me saying, "Oh, ds doesn't get Xmas yet, I'm not going to spend loads of money on him!" as soon as he got the hang of opening his presents he LOVED IT! We have a v.excited little boy here. Thank god for dh deciding to wrap all his presents separately so he got to open lots of small stuff.

We've just put our turkey on, apparently it's going to take 4 hours! Dh is in charge, so we'll see how that turns out.

Hope everyone has a wonderful day - hopefully I won't be on here too much (assuming MIL doesn't piss me off!! )

eandh · 26/12/2008 19:26

Hello wow what a mainc but lovely few days, I woke up at 6am yesterday and when I peeked round Ellies door she was sitting in bed looking at books and then asked if she was allowed to get up cue lots of excitement! Hattie really got into it but was so slow opening her presents compared to Ellie, fab day at my parents then my brothers (and a quick visit to il's as well) and had il's and sil and family here today thankfully quiet house now

Toy mountain isnt too bad this year lots of small but lovely things plus great grandparents/aunts etc gave them vouchers/money so will bank their money and keep their vouchers till nearer the summer I think

Now its time to start thinking about Hattie's birthday

2Happy · 26/12/2008 21:20

Hey all. Just wanted to say an enormous thank you to my SS. You either know me very well, or you're definitely my kind of gal, and after the Christmas I've had, I definitely need both booze and chocolate right now. I think that goes on record as the worst Christmas I have ever had

And after having a thing for men in uniform, turns out the part-time firefighters round here really ain't that tasty. And half of them are also clients of dh so makes it doubly embarassing that we had to call them all away from their Christmas meals on Christmas Day. I am the most mortified person on the planet. (Chimney fire, nothing exciting, just me being fucking stupid, the sort of thing you'd hear about and slag the numptie off for, but it was me ). And fil dropped ds2 on his head onto the road when taking ds1 for his first ever bike ride - huge egg and cut. And fell out with my whole family, who basically told me that my son is uncontrollable and I'm a shit mother. And then the kids were up most of last night, but I was the only one in the house (of 7 adults) who heard and got up. Ba fucking humbug.

theSuburbanDryad · 26/12/2008 21:43

Oh 2Happy, what a nightmare. Have a large glass of JD on me - I got a bottle for Xmas!

Who said ds was uncontrollable? Don't they know what 3 year olds are like? Big sympathies here, Z can sometimes be a right handful and people do just love to judge, don't they? Fuckers.

2Happy · 26/12/2008 22:04

It was Christmas Eve, ds1 and his 3.9 yo cousin had dragged a chair up to the tree and stripped it of all the chocolates my mother had (against my advice) hung on it, then they lied about having done it. I was pssed off, both that they'd done it but especially that ds1 had lied when I asked them if they'd done it. ds1 has only recently started lying, and I know it's a normal phase, but I need him to learn that it is not acceptable. So I said to him that what he'd done was wrong and we would be taking a bedtime story away from him (he normally has 3, and just hates it if he loses a story - a weird but useful punishment!), and they (my mother, 2 sisters, one bil) all contradicted me in front of him and said I was being too harsh and it was Christmas, and he's jsut doing it because he's a boy. Which really hit a nerve - my sisters both have girls (though my oldest sister also had a boy - but openly admitted she was relieved she'd ahd a girl first), we're a girl family, and I've always got this kind of 'sympathy' that I've got boys, and they always get together and compare the girls to my boys in a kind of 'aren't girls better behaved/cuter/more loving' kind of way, which gets right up my nose. So I got really angry and told them that he is my son and they shouldn't question how I parent him. So then my sister said "look, he's really hard work, I don't know how you cope with it, I'm not sure I could" . I know she meant it in a 'chin up' fashion, but basically what she said is I may as well change his name to Damien and have done with it. But he is not* that bad. Yes he's 3, he's pushing boundaries, that's what 3 year olds do. And it was both him and his cousin stealing, not just him, he is not so much worse. If she would get out of his face for 5 minutes he probably wouldn't be quite as tetchy with her as he is! I just hate this 'poor you, you have a boy, and boys behave much worse than girls, and he's probably even worse because you're such a shit parent'. So I spent the reast of the time knowing they're judging his every move, and mine too... My family loves to label people. My middle sisters the mouthy one, my oldest sister's the square one, I was the 'difficult' one. And if you get labelled as difficult, you inevitably get the blame for everything, so in the end, why not jsut act like a shit anyway? And to see them attaching a label to a 3 year old is wrong beyond belief.

Plus 3 year olds don't get Christmas, if you say it's ok to lie and steal for 3 days of the year, how are they to know that come tomorrow it's suddenly not ok again? And I was fucking right on that one when, yesterday, they sneaked into the dining room and opened all the crackers, including ones my mum had hand made for the kids with (you guessed it) chocolate inside. So then she got really annoyed and tried telling them off. Er, hello, if they can steal chocolate one day "because it's Christmas" and not the next, what the hell do you expect?!

What a diatribe, sorry . I'm just really . dh thinks we should do Christmas by ourselves next year . Any words of wisdom gratefully received....

eandh · 27/12/2008 06:36

Oh 2happy glad everything ok with the fire (and I'd be dissapointed with the lack of tasty fireman too

I have huuuge sympathy on the 'uncontrolable' child thing, Ellie has only just (and I mean literally last few weeks and shes 4.3) started calming down, but from 2.5 till now she has been a nightmare and its amazing what advice family think they can give (my mil thinks just giving her a toffee everytime shes going to lose it is going to help ) my parents are better but can still get the odd comment in, we have tried time out (doesnt work because she will not sit where you put her) tried the 1,2,3 warning (tbh we've yet to find a consequence that she is bothered about we could take every toy away she owns and I honestly don't think she'd be that bothered) so as mean as it is she gets 3 warnings and after the 3rd goes in her room and one of us holds the door shut till she either a) calms down (normally in full screaming tantrum mode at this point b) is prepared to be nice and if necessary say sorry to us/another person. We have to hold teh door as she just keeps coming out otherwise and I know not everyone agrees but she does get the occasional smack (although she does have toi have been very naughty for that) as for lying/fibbing I still havent quite bottomed that one so no help. If its any help I know Laughalot has had similar issues to me and you with her ds and had other people/family making comments/remarks similar to yours so I'll tell her to check in on teh thread

Reggiee · 27/12/2008 07:27

Bloody hell 2H I'd be soooo pissed off. I agree with your dh and that you should do Xmas at home next year. You can start your own traditions without any backbiting and 'support' from your family. They are being so totally unreasonable and smug. Just wait til the teenage years - and watch how your family deal with hormonal gals!

Wouldn't worry about the fire (presume there's not too much damage other than embarrassment) - the firemen just did their job and will be used to being called out / chimney fires etc. Just pleased you're all ok.

Keep the wine and chocolate pouring btw .

Glad most had a good Xmas. We had a lovely time but still have loads of Pip's pressies to open. She opened her pushchair from us an kitchen from inlaws, and that is all she has played with since. Have decided to keep a few of her Xmas presents from us for her birthday . Very well looked after at inlaws (am very thankful for one lovely set of grandparents) although they plied lo with so many goodies 'whilst mummy's not looking'. She's still full of cold too.

I've just got back from the Next sale and spent a fair bit. Was in the queue at 5 to 5 with about 200 others. Returned to a quiet house and suspect lo is catching up from some late nights and who knows what time dh came to bed last night, but downstairs had 5 beer bottles and every Xmas gadget opened with cardboard boxes, fastenings and plastic bags all over the lounge . I bought loads of stuff for Pip, and some basic boys wear

Am heading off out again in 10 mins or so, to Boots amongst other places. Have £40 worth of points to spend!

Reggiee · 27/12/2008 07:28

How very rude of me. Thankyouthankyouthankyou SS!! I got some lovely Next smellies, and lots of G & B chocolate. Big nom noms!!

eandh · 27/12/2008 08:58

Ooooo a little boy rgee congrats

eandh · 27/12/2008 09:08

And since we are getting close to the 2nd birthday celebrations here is the list

Katwith3kittens 22/12/06 Will 3.2Kg
Rgee 31/12/06 Pippa Holly 6lb 150z
Nemo 05/01/07 Chloe Alexandra
Eandh 5/1/07 Hattie Alice 6lb 13oz
Dragonhart 5/1/07 Ruth Joanne 6lbs 3oz
UrbanDryad 5/1/07 Zachary Oliver 6lb 8oz
Shimmer 8/1/07 Freddie Christopher 7lb 10oz
Jodieg1 11/1/07 Ethan 8lb 2oz
Wilkie 12/1/07 Jacob Allan 7lbs
vinorouge 13/1/07 Ellen Dorothy 8lb 4oz
Laughalot 14/1/07 Lauren Mackenzie 6lb 15oz
Looshkin 14/1/07 William 9lb 6oz
Hattie2 15/1/07 Jacob Oliver 10lb 2oz
LadyTophamHatt 16/1/07 George Frasier 8lb 11oz
PCF 18/1/07 Max David 7lb 8.5oz
Lizzzombie 20/1/07 Dylan Jack Peter Thompson 8.5lb
MrsC - 21/01/07 Felix Sebastian 71b 7oz
2Happy 2/2/07 Matthew 7lb 14oz

theSuburbanDryad · 27/12/2008 09:23

2Happy - my god i am fuming for you! What does your mother expect if she hangs chocolate from the Christmas tree? Surely no-one with a toddler in the house is stupid enough to hang chocolate/candy from the tree - talk about picking your battles! Is ds' 3.9 cousin a girl, by any chance? IME girls are no different than boys when it comes to behaviour, people are people and kids are kids and it has no bearing when they're this age. Makes me furious when MIL excuses ds' behaviour "because he's a boy". Either his behaviour is unacceptable or it isn't, he doesn't get away with being rude/aggressive because he was born with a penis!

Argh - now I'm all cross for you! Tell your family to get fucked, they shouldn't ever contradict you in front of the ds' and they certainly shouldn't expect you to be happy about it when they do it.

Speaking of being contradicted in front of the kids, we are off to the IL's today - what a treat. MIL phoned 12 times yesterday, to tell us (basically) that she has bought ds a load of shit. We specifically asked her not to buy him loads of plastic tat as we don't really have a huge amount of space for it and he's not massively into it. He's had a few big presents from us (a Tombliboo wooden ride on thing and a kitchen - which we got in a toy swap with a friend!! ) and a few little bits from Santa like some books and the Thomas annual. He got some nice bits from my mum (she knitted him the Tombliboos - they look a bit freaky but he loves them) and some clothes and stuff. He doesn't need loads of shit from Woolworths - and I don't give a flying fuck how cheap it was! - and if she has bought as much as i suspect it'll be going straight to the local children's hospice/women's refuge.

Can you tell I'm in a good mood?

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TinselCoveredWILKIE · 27/12/2008 11:38

Ha ha - the thread is full of christmas cheer. Nothing like the festive season to bring out the worst best in family members!!!!

2Happy - do it on your own next year. I couldn't STAND people contradicting me on my parenting in front of J. You were right IMO and boys aren't more difficult than girls - that is a stupid label to put on a child. It depends on the 'child' not the sex and at that age he WILL be pushing boundaries, it is natural. I guess your nieces are all angels then??

Reg - so glad you told, it was bursting out of my seams not to tell anyone Did Vino go with you to Next?

EAH - how good of E to sit and read books when FC has been! Glad you had a good one

UD - enjoy the MIL. It REALLY fucks me off when people buy children LOADS of presents. My G'ma did a 'sack' for each of the children which was very sweet BUT I didn't want her too cos they end up with so much shit toys that there is no where to put them and they just don't appreciate it! It also takes away from his FC 'sack' IMO. My SIL (who hasn't seen J for a year BTW) spent £100 on him!!! which I thought was obscene

I have to say though, we had a lovely christmas although I had terrible MS on christmas day which was a bummer. J loved it all though and is currently snuggled up with DH on sofa watching 'The Snowman' for the 12th time in 2 days . He LOVES it.

2Happy · 27/12/2008 14:28

Oh I love you all, you make me feel better . Admittedly you only got my side of the story, but I'm right, so there . UD - yes, 3.9 yr old neice is a girl. But if she gets told off she immediately dissolves into tears so everyone goes "awwwww" and gives her a cuddle so no telling off!!! I am so narked at the whole "it's because he's a boy", but UD I think I will use your line next time they say it, I shall say "just because he was born with a penis...".

PCF at your Mum and Aunt - not only getting so sozzled that they don't notice Max getting hold of a knife, but then saying they are 'trained' to deal with Alex what a thing to say

Reg - enormous congrats on the boy - obv you can come to me for parenting tips on the space alien that is a son

kw3 - think I may not have said happy birthday to the lo, but thanks to eanh's marvellous list, can now remember!! Hope he had a nice day anyway.

Also with you all on the enormous amounts of plastic tat. The boys already had more than they need, and are happy playing in cardboard boxes, but still their grannies relatives who shall remain nameless insist on trying to buy their love with noisy, shiny, plastic shit. And chocolate. Charity shops're going to do very well out of us this year I think!!!

looshkin · 27/12/2008 17:13

Happy Christmas to all just a brief lurk could not stop buy with out a few for you 2H your boys are wonderfully behaved and I do wish you would redefine tantrum (ds2 does this very gentle little grumble when not happy which is really very cute). They are two delightful little men who do normal funny little toddler things - by the way william ate the choclate off the tree as well (foil n'all!!)

Your sisters need to get a grip and stop being so bloody smug - just wait until the teenage years mwah mwah......

We actually had the best christmas we have had in years - no one tried to force feed ds formula or totally undermine our parenting (sorry 2H) and ds was really great he got very few presents (just the standard farm/train track combo) as we had asked (we didn't get him anything) and that seem to work really well as he was so overwehelmed with things last year.

Right back to the shadows love to you all keep well and a happy 2009 and happy 2nd birthdays to our little ones!!!!!!!!!

Loosh.

laughalot · 27/12/2008 18:35

Thankyou ss I lurved my pressie !!!!!!!!!

Rgee congrats eah text me whilst I was at work so I nipped into next and got you some boys bibs in the sale I couldnt resist.

2Happy I think the ils would like to have aidan for the day and then they may realise how stupid they have been. They all go through it aidan is 5 in july and we still have problems.

Ok need to go aidan has the bath paints out eeeek

TinselCoveredWILKIE · 27/12/2008 18:37

Happy Crimbo Loosh!

I find Christmas a bit overwhelming TBH since having J. I just find the whole AMOUNT of presents they get utterly terrifying. I worry that he is spoilt, they don't MEAN anything because there are just SO many. I would much rather people got him a token gift and then gave money but people don't like doing that for some reason. My sisters twins got SO MANY presents it was unbelievable and totally ridiculous.

Mum and I were talking about it on the evening and I said although I had had a lovely day, I just found the whole 'present' thing a bit distasteful - just the sheer amount.

Am I making sense? Does anyone else feel the same? Will I always feel like this about Christmas? Are SO MANY presents really necessary and if not, what can you do to ask people NOT to buy so much without offending??

Sorry - just having a ponder...

2Happy · 27/12/2008 19:07

wilkie - am with you 100%. The kids have far more than enough now anyway, they didn't need anything else, and ds1 just started saying "where's my next present" like a really spoilt brat. There's a real element of both the grannies trying to outdo the other, they both want to be the favourite Granny (although not on mils part this year in fact, she gave us a cheque and told us to buy our own presents because they were away in NZ for 5 weeks).

And I feel a bit bad, because people are being really generous, and it seems churlish to say you don't want it. But WTF are we goin to do in Feb when it's ds2's birthday?!

Loosh (hello, BTW, glad you had a good day and no force feeding of formula ) you are so right about it being overwhelming for them. And it sets a precedent. Is this how it's going to be for the rest of their lives, a mountain of gifts played with for a few days and forgotten? Breeding greed? Especially now with the way finances are going for everyone now.

It's got to the point where really, the whole thing is just too much. I would rather have a quiet family meal and no bloody presents! I think, sod if it causes offence, my kids come first and I just don't think this culture is healthy for them. I think next year I may suggest each family buys just one family's kid(s) a present, rather than each family buying all the kids presents - so I might buy for oldest sister's kids, oldest sister would buy for middle sister's, middle sister would buy for mine. And I might do what Loosh did and not get present from us at all, or just do little stockings only.

UD - hope your mil was as ok as can be expected....

eandh · 27/12/2008 19:51

Looosh so lovely to see you

I find having 2 of the same sex means there is only so much pink tat you can buy, thankfully this year when people/family asked we did say that we really didnt need lots of toys and would appreciate vouchers for local independent shoe shop, cheques/cash which they know we always bank in their savings accounts or gift vouchers, they got £30 each for the shoe shop (so thats a pair of shoes sorted) £30 in cash and cheques and £20 in M&S vouchers each (which is fine as I like their books or can get them new clothes/underwear when they need them)

the only presents they got were

ours (and we were slightly more careful what we bought this year so got less presents but better quality)

presents from my parents (duvet sets, pj's, coats, handbag each and a cottage from elc as joint present but stays at my parents house)

IL's got them peppa pig rocket and hide and seek peppa pig which I ordered for them!

SIL got a lovley wooden box and filled with hairbands etc for Ellie (she loves it) and hattie a xylophone/drum kit

my brother got them birkenstocks for the summer and a dvd each

Aunts/uncles etc - ellie got a fab hot water bottle, mr men books and beading sets and Hattie got baking set, nursery ryhme book, clothes for her new baby annabell etc

friends got them books/annuals/cd's (cd player going back) and other smaller things, clothes etc etc

Laughalot got HAttie the most beautiful wooden box with her name on and it has 3 gorgeous puzzles inside, skirt and pj's with her name on and Ellie a vtech smile system (taht I cannot find the adaptor I bought for it anywhere!), clock and beading set

Reggiee · 27/12/2008 19:52

Hiya loosh

I know where you're coming from Wilkie. Although I think I am the worst culprit as I can't resist a bargain . As for the rest of the family, they are brill [rubs in some more]. All ask what to get lo, and are happy to give vouchers / money etc. Mum gave me a big cheque for us all so I'm going to buy an annual pass for a local tourist place that we can all go to; inlaws got her the kitchen as requested but then money for birthday to specifically buy stuff for her new bedroom; sil and bil gave vouchers for us to buy a bed guard and lamp. My sis got her a dressing gown. I always say that if she gets money, I'll put it in premium bonds for her. I (rudely?) told my friends under no circumstances to ever get anything for the lo and they wouldn't dare cross me . I don't want to get in the habit of swapping presents with my friends lo's at Xmas.
Can you ask them to get practical stuff eg clothes, money for the child trust fund, or do they feel that's not 'in the spirit'?

On a related note, one of my fav pressies this year for me was a friend had made me some home made chocolate brownies and wrapped them up nicely in a lovely box. They were yummy, and I loved it more than the usual gifts.

Talking of presents, what was the best and worst thing you received from Santa?

UD haven't had a mil story for ages. Hope all went well, but do tell if you've any more!

PCF grrr... sounds like your family were in fine 'spirits' too.
You thought of any names yet btw? We haven't but might spur me into action this week to get thinking. We had Dylan 'reserved' for Pip if she was a boy (yeah Lizz!!) but not convinced I can use it again as it's Pip's iykwim.

Lal awww thankyou!! In town today I struggled to buy anything for bubba, except vests / sleepsuits. I didn't really put Pip in any other clothes except sleepsuits for a few months (too lazy tired), and suspect I'll be the same this time too. Plus it'll be summer so not as much need. What do you dress boys in . And don't get me started on changing boys nappies. Any boy tips very welcome all (including you 2H )

Hmm...nice short post

eandh · 27/12/2008 19:57

oh and absolutley pmsl at hattie we got her interactive baby annabell and my nan got her dolls pram on xmas day baby annabell had been 'crying' for a while and Hattie said really clearly and in a stern voice 'shut up' and plonked her in the pram and pushed it in the other room (her maternal instincts must be inherited from me ) and came back into the lounge sighing!

eandh · 27/12/2008 19:58

oh pics of the prams on my profile (Ellie has the dolls pram that my parents gave me 25 Christmases ago!!)

theSuburbanDryad · 27/12/2008 20:40

Well we are back and I survived. Actually, MIL wasn't too bad, she got Z a set of Thomas train tracks and a big box of Duplo (as well as some small things from "Santa") which - although they're big, space-consuming presents - I can live with. But dh's aunt and cousins bought so much stuff it was obscene! We've kept back 3 massive presents for his birthday because I think it's just too much for him, and he was just totally overwhelmed. He behaved quite badly at dinner, and was generally behaving like a little brat, which isn't like him (no, really! ) I'm worried he just thinks that every day is present day now, as he's had 3 days in a row of it, although he only got 3 presents on Xmas day itself.

I think if people ask me what he wants for his birthday I shall ask for clothing, as he is running a bit short and has got very tall recently - how the hell did that happen?! - so a lot of his dungarees/jeans don't fit him anymore. Soon I won't be able to put him in dungarees because he'll be potty training!

RGee - I'll give you my tips for changing boy's nappies if you give me your tips for girls! Be prepared to be weed on, a lot, Z pissed on his head for the first 6 months when he was very tiny (which I thought was hilarious!) but you have to make sure you point their willies down inside the nappy when they're small, so they don't wee out of the nappy IYSWIM. Don't ever peel the foreskin back, if it's a really bad stinky nappy the best way is cotton wool and water and kind of flushing it all out - or stick them in the bath! Um....think that's it. As for what to dress boys in, I used to put Z in dungarees (EAH, I've saved the red Baby Gap ones for no.2!!) and rompers till he was about 1, as I hated the slogans you get on boy's clothes. I bought him some jeans from Tesco once, thinking they were just plain, and then I got them home and on the back they said, "Born Naughty". I mean, what sort of slogan is that to put on kid's clothing? And yes, I know he can't read yet, and I am overly precious, but it still really upset me!!

Sorry to ramble on, I'll go away now. Are we all back to work on Monday?

eandh · 27/12/2008 20:46

awww ud you'll have the same pics that my mum had where she cant work out if its me or my brotehr as we have the same dungarees on (and same wallpaper/sofa in both sets of pics!!) glad today went ok, Hattie refused to eat anything except turkey and sausages/bacon on christmas day and then swiped my Dads beer and was glugging it (and had a 2hour nap afterwards )

girls are easy to change quick wipe and nappy on!

I am off work Monday as mum and dad are taking ellie to see aladdin at tunbridge wells, they offered to take hattie but she wouldnt have a clue whats going on so just me and her on monday, back to work next friday and then swapped my work days the week after as Hattie's birthday falls on a Monday which is a work day for me so doing weds and friday that week!

theSuburbanDryad · 27/12/2008 21:02

EAH - we've moved house twice since Z wore those dungarees so I should be able to tell! He wore them until he was nearly 1 - they worked well as 3/4 length trousers for summer! They were the best bargain I ever got!!